A strange atmosphere for Thursday night's game

[George]

It's a sign of how twisted your priorities are if you're a Cowboys fan rooting for the Commanders to beat the Cowboys. Any convoluted logic to the contrary is nonsense.

Agree. I think we stink but I won’t root against the Boys.

 

[George]

We aren’t drafting well as of late so I’m not sure how losing a game is going to be beneficial.

 

[DallasEast]

We aren’t drafting well as of late so I’m not sure how losing a game is going to be beneficial.

That consideration has been often and purposefully ignored. It is one thing to hope losing in the present willl create opportunities that will improve the team in the future. It is entirely different to imply or outright state losing now will guarantee winning football down the road.

 

[waldoputty]

We aren’t drafting well as of late so I’m not sure how losing a game is going to be beneficial.

now this opinion means you have given up totally.
rather than the alternative is taking the medicine for a better future, one of hope rather than continued despair.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Doesn't shock me......both fanbases aren't the brightest when it comes to this time of year.....thinking based on emotion.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

I'm tuning in to see if Dallas can actually show a pulse and if they don't I'm looking to Jerry Jones to see why he does not make a coaching change. Very little difference between the effort that got Wade Phillips fired and what Jason Garrett has coached the last three weeks. Losing without Elliot is one thing, but being curb stomped three weeks in a row is absurd.

 

[George]

now this opinion means you have given up totally.
rather than the alternative is taking the medicine for a better future, one of hope rather than continued despair.

I see your point. I believe we need some serious changes throughout the organization to get back to winning.

 

[theebs]

just looked on the ticket exchange, there are like a million seats available.

The stadium turnout is going to be interesting tomorrow night. I am kind of surprised how many seats are available.

what is the game on xmas eve going to be like?

 

[MileyDancer]

just looked on the ticket exchange, there are like a million seats available.

The stadium turnout is going to be interesting tomorrow night. I am kind of surprised how many seats are available.

what is the game on xmas eve going to be like?

I haven't been able to sell my tickets. I hope the stadium is empty as hell. Commanders fans have never showed up enough to take the stadium over, or anything.

 

[Shinaoi]

I think rooting for you team no matter what is perfectly fine and I actually like the optimism for those who still want to make the playoffs. I just don’t understand people who say we’re not fans or saying there is no good in losing more.

 

[John813]

Even though we are playing tomorrow, I will probably forget that when I get home from work.

Hate these TNF games. One thing for Thanksgiving, another thing for during a regular work week.

 

[DallasEast]

I think rooting for you team no matter what is perfectly fine and I actually like the optimism for those who still want to make the playoffs. I just don’t understand people who say we’re not fans or saying there is no good in losing more.

In some, or perhaps many cases, it is flat out wrong to label others as not being fans. 'Saying there is no good in losing more' is another matter.

There is zero certainty losing will result in Garrett being fired in the short-term. Additionally, Garrett's firing due to losing does not carry a certainty that his replacement will achieve better results than him. The possibility exists his replacement (and he will be replaced eventually/all coaches' terms end one way or another) will be much better than him, just like him, or worse than him.

Likewise, the team's final record does not assure improvement in attaining overall roster talent during the offseason. Possibilities include the front office hitting the jackpot on every free agent signing and netting an A+ draft grade. Unfortunately, the chances of landing similar disappointing free agents and missing on draft picks are equally possible.

The whole argument of losing in any (team) sport or any have, will, and shall always carry the same probabilities. There are too many variable to assume losing will automatically make the team better. Is it a hoped for expectation? Yes. Is it a fallacy by definition? Also yes. The latter makes the disagreement in opinion over the desire to lose more contentious in nature. Guarantees or even tangible likely outcomes would make for a more encompassing consensus but how does one voice them in provable context? I do not have an answer. I have certainly not seen them inserted into discussions such as these. Hopeful (sometimes boastful) proclamations? Yes. Confirmable forecasts of future success? No.

 

[DallasEast]

Even though we are playing tomorrow, I will probably forget that when I get home from work.

Hate these TNF games. One thing for Thanksgiving, another thing for during a regular work week.

I will not forget but I agree. Too much of a good thing can be bad is sometimes true. It is for professional football in my opinion. Once, the NFL season was a goldmine of weekly anticipation involving Sunday afternoons, Monday nights and the ceremonial Thanksgiving spotlight for Detroit and Dallas. It has evolved into a near daily bombardment of the sport. For good or worse, it will never return to how things were.

 

[Redball Express]

I will be rooting hard for an L. So much more is at stake than just draft position - the value of dropping Garrett for even a league average replacement HC is worth roughly a top 5 pick on its own IMO. He is that clueless with anything less than top end talent across the board.

I just can't root for an L for draft position.

The team has to fight back right now if it can.

There are 53 guys who need to show why they are being played.

Even if somehow we can do 8-8 this year and out of the playoffs.

so what?

We can blame losing Zeke and injuries as the reason we are not far off for 2018.

Now if we go like 5-11..

thats's another situation entirely.

I am waiting to see if this team has the urgency to right the ship.

I'm hopeful it is.

It will make 2018 some hope..

 

[IheartRomo]

I just can't root for an L for draft position.

The team has to fight back right now if it can.

There are 53 guys who need to show why they are being played.

Even if somehow we can do 8-8 this year and out of the playoffs.

so what?

We can blame losing Zeke and injuries as the reason we are not far off for 2018.

Now if we go like 5-11..

thats's another situation entirely.

I am waiting to see if this team has the urgency to right the ship.

I'm hopeful it is.

It will make 2018 some hope..

I hear ya, but I honestly think there's a lot of hope for 2018 regardless. Getting rid of Garrett would be HUGE but the team has proven it's talented enough to win despite him if healthy and with a touch of luck.

The core of this team is still very young and very talented. A better coach and a solid offseason as opposed to last years disaster will be key, but I don't think there's any validity to thinking that we enter next season without any hope.

 

[Melonfeud]

I'm tuning in to see if Dallas can actually show a pulse and if they don't I'm looking to Jerry Jones to see why he does not make a coaching change. Very little difference between the effort that got Wade Phillips fired and what Jason Garrett has coached the last three weeks. Losing without Elliot is one thing, but being curb stomped three weeks in a row is absurd.

Ya,know, J-Hopkins? What I took away from reading the excerpts of JERRY'S blurps& radio chats was that one where he stated :
" the players have to much invested,to just quit on the season ",,, no ,Jerry! You're the 'backer' not seeing or feeling the return on this alleged investment,,, these
' players' are handsomely head over heels satisfied with their investment every time they bank their paychecks( for the most part),,, you're the one believing the mere power of your persona & of your force of will alone support's that view,while the exhibited product speaks otherwise,,,


*ol' boy!, you've been rigged up and drilling a SEVEN YEAR long dry hole and yer' tool pusher needs to go elsewhere*

 

[Captain43Crash]

Why can't the Cowboys win out and make the playoffs at 10-6? I think they will shock everyone and do it.

Even if we do finish 10-6(it won’t happen)we most likely will not make the playoffs. To many good teams 2-3 games ahead of us.

 

[jobberone]

Hoping we lose to the Skins is anathema.

 

[waldoputty]

In some, or perhaps many cases, it is flat out wrong to label others as not being fans. 'Saying there is no good in losing more' is another matter.

There is zero certainty losing will result in Garrett being fired in the short-term. Additionally, Garrett's firing due to losing does not carry a certainty that his replacement will achieve better results than him. The possibility exists his replacement (and he will be replaced eventually/all coaches' terms end one way or another) will be much better than him, just like him, or worse than him.

Likewise, the team's final record does not assure improvement in attaining overall roster talent during the offseason. Possibilities include the front office hitting the jackpot on every free agent signing and netting an A+ draft grade. Unfortunately, the chances of landing similar disappointing free agents and missing on draft picks are equally possible.

The whole argument of losing in any (team) sport or any have, will, and shall always carry the same probabilities. There are too many variable to assume losing will automatically make the team better. Is it a hoped for expectation? Yes. Is it a fallacy by definition? Also yes. The latter makes the disagreement in opinion over the desire to lose more contentious in nature. Guarantees or even tangible likely outcomes would make for a more encompassing consensus but how does one voice them in provable context? I do not have an answer. I have certainly not seen them inserted into discussions such as these. Hopeful (sometimes boa****l) proclamations? Yes. Confirmable forecasts of future success? No.

Drafting earlier gives one more options. Earlier players on the board are available. If your scouting is competent, you will get a higher rated player.
If your scouting is competent, drafting earlier will get you better players. If you are incompetent, you will need to replace the incompetent. Since 2016 draft went very well, I would say the scouting department is competent, though Marinelli/Garrett may have hurt the 2017 draft with their insistence in drafting for marinelli's obsolete scheme.

Is there certainty in any draft, of course not. However an earlier slot is obviously in a more advantageous position. To argue otherwise is not intellectually honest. What kind of joke would it be for a team to trade an earlier draft position for a later one. How ridiculous.

Instead this seems more like an argument about the integrity of the game. The simple answer is - what integrity? Goodell? Surely you jest.

Besides football and basketball, tanking is now practiced in MLB also where drafting yields players far later than football. But yet the latest craze is tanking, as successfully demonstrated by the Cubs and the Astros - the last 2 world series champions. Learning from the early success, Yankees, Phillies and White Sox have recently tanked. The Yankees' tanking was short but the results are already coming in amazingly.

Tanking strategies are relatively new but provide good value like data based strategies. Clinging to romantic notions of the integrity of the game is like clinging to Marinelli's obsolete defensive schemes.

 

[DallasEast]

Drafting earlier gives one more options. Earlier players on the board are available. If your scouting is competent, you will get a higher rated player.
If your scouting is competent, drafting earlier will get you better players. If you are incompetent, you will need to replace the incompetent. Since 2016 draft went very well, I would say the scouting department is competent, though Marinelli/Garrett may have hurt the 2017 draft with their insistence in drafting for marinelli's obsolete scheme.

Is there certainty in any draft, of course not. However an earlier slot is obviously in a more advantageous position. To argue otherwise is not intellectually honest. What kind of joke would it be for a team to trade an earlier draft position for a later one. How ridiculous.

Instead this seems more like an argument about the integrity of the game. The simple answer is - what integrity? Goodell? Surely you jest.

Besides football and basketball, tanking is now practiced in MLB also where drafting yields players far later than football. But yet the latest craze is tanking, as successfully demonstrated by the Cubs and the Astros - the last 2 world series champions. Learning from the early success, Yankees, Phillies and White Sox have recently tanked. The Yankees' tanking was short but the results are already coming in amazingly.

Tanking strategies are relatively new but provide good value like data based strategies. Clinging to romantic notions of the integrity of the game is like clinging to Marinelli's obsolete defensive schemes.

Two things. 1) If’s are not certainties. 2) I have absolutely no idea why you are discussing ‘integrity of the game’.

Are there documented recordings or quoted accounts of organizations’ management and/or coaching staffs deliberately planning and executing tanking?