If we give Irving a 1st round tender

[Irvin88_4life]

This. Don't want to lose Irving. One of the few Defensive talents we have. That's the side of the ball we need to improve the most. Losing him would be a big blow to that.

But if a first rounder produces Roquan Smith and Vea would you do it then

 

[robertfchew]

I would take the 1st. With dak truly being an unknown we may need multiple 1's to move up for a qb if he doesn't get it sorted out soon.

 

[xwalker]

I'm not interested in a late round pick though. Those guys aren't going to come in and make a immediate impact. Especially on defense.

I like Poe. Though they play different positions...his impact isn't felt like Irving's is.

HE was out there....and neither party seemed interested.

It's 1st round pick as in numero uno...

 

[Nightman]

Yes really.

There are 128 starting defensive lineman in the NFL.

Tyrone Crawford is barely borderline starting material. He is an injury prone JAG. He wouldn’t even start on a lot of teams that have solid DL depth. Crawford is a rotational defensive lineman on a good defense.

6,7,8 million per year for a JAG is overpaid.

child please..... he starts for almost everyone

He was 15th in the league in pressures last year

 

[Nova]

Yeah I would just keep Irving.

 

[Captain43Crash]

I'd take the risk of losing him. Two 1st-round picks create buying power.

Draft picks are valuable commodities providing a team knows how to use them.

Actually, players who can play at a high level, like Irving, are a much more valuable commodity than a draft pick. Draft picks are an unproven commodity, while Irving is a proven commodity.

 

[visionary]

1st round tender
No long term deal
Nuff said

 

[Bullflop]

Retaining David Irving isn't any ordinary player that we should consider regarding as an optional choice as to keep or retain. Together with Demarcus Lawrence, he absolutely comprises the nucleus of our pass rushing corps. They must be kept in tow. How this staff manages to do so is entirely up to them. This defense is a work in progress that shouldn't be weakened with poor decision making.

Let's realistically regard Irving's presence as mandatory, just as we should the presence of Lawrence. We've been waiting for our pass rush to develop for way too long now to allow them to depart anytime soon! If this team manages to add only one more prolific pass rusher in the draft, we'll very likely reside amongst the very top teams in that category, OK? So, how's that sound to you?

 

[The Dark Bishop]

Not gonna lie, If we put a 1st round tender on Irving and someone around the mid 1st round makes an offer, I would be tempted. Imagine having 2 of 3 players like Christian Wilkins, Maurice Hurst, or Vita Vea as our DT's in the middle both with 5 year contracts. It would make the LB's and SS job so much easier. Would make for more blitzing as well.....

While not very sexy, I still think adding 2 of them (Vita Vea being the most important piece) would go along way in suring up the run defense while causing so much damage to opposing offenses up the middle.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

It's 1st round pick as in numero uno...

First pick in the draft?

 

[iceberg]

Who cares? He has been producing at a high level this year and works well in tandem with Lawrence. He had one suspension for PED's and has been a great player otherwise. He turned what was spotty good play last year to consistent good play this year.

have we fallen so far that 23 combined tackles, 13 solo and 7 sacks is a "high level"?

 

[CCBoy]

If Dallas got another first round pick for Irving...at least this fan is a happy camper.

If not, then resign him.

 

[JeffInDC]

You get Dontari Poe + 1st round pick OR Irving.

Give me Dontari Poe and Christian Wilkins (with Collins the backup to both) AND another 1st................it was nice having you around David Irving.

 

[Doomsday]

I would rather keep Irving than get a late first round pick that could end up being Taco 2.

Taco may become a player, but he didn't contribute much this year. Would prefer to keep a proven commodity.

 

[LocimusPrime]

The goal of developing young players is to reap the rewards once they develop, not just blow up the line and start all over again.

 

[Supercowboy1986]

Trading a player who cost nothing to obtain (KC practice squad) for a first rounder is a form of reaping rewards.

I'm not suggesting DI isn't worth keeping I just don't know how anyone could pass on getting a first rounder for a practice squad player.

It's also worth noting that DI has had off the field issues/injuries which caused DI to miss games.

I think it's 8 games total so far but it could be more/less.

When you buy low, you always sell high in my mind. Especially in team sports.

The goal of developing young players is to reap the rewards once they develop, not just blow up the line and start all over again.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Trading a player who cost nothing to obtain (KC practice squad) for a first rounder is a form of reaping rewards.

I'm not suggesting DI isn't worth keeping I just don't know how anyone could pass on getting a first rounder for a practice squad player.

It's also worth noting that DI has had off the field issues/injuries which caused DI to miss games.

I think it's 8 games total so far but it could be more/less.

The first rounder has more value because of the 5th year option imo.

Good points and they fair

I understand your point but Irving is no longer considered a practice squad player. He's actually a very good and young pass rusher. He's tied for 27th in the NFL while only playing 9 games. If he had produced 2 sacks in the 5 games he was suspended, he would be a top 10 sack leader.


I think of it this way: Romo was undrafted, so after year 4, I wouldn't have traded him for a first......or let's say Alvin Kamara was a third rd draft pick, it would be dumb dumb to trade him for a first right now. Or how about carl Lawson.

 

[kevm3]

Trading a player who cost nothing to obtain (KC practice squad) for a first rounder is a form of reaping rewards.

I'm not suggesting DI isn't worth keeping I just don't know how anyone could pass on getting a first rounder for a practice squad player.

It's also worth noting that DI has had off the field issues/injuries which caused DI to miss games.

I think it's 8 games total so far but it could be more/less.

When you buy low, you always sell high in my mind. Especially in team sports.

Its not reaping a reward when we let a stud walk for a guy that could take 4 years to develop. David Irving came from the practice squad but Romo was undrafted. Who would have traded Romo for a low first rounder and looked at that as s benefit? Doesnt matter where you come from as much as what you do on the field.

 

[xwalker]

Its not reaping a reward when we let a stud walk for a guy that could take 4 years to develop. David Irving came from the practice squad but Romo was undrafted. Who would have traded Romo for a low first rounder and looked at that as s benefit? Doesnt matter where you come from as much as what you do on the field.

They would get the money from not signing Irving in addition to the 1st round pick. You could replace Irving with a free agent and the pick is free.

I like Irving but they really need a legit starting 1tech which means Collins and Irving both play 3tech or Irving starts at DE.

Collins would likely dominate if he can move back to 3tech and play next to a legit 1tech like Dontari Poe.

The ultimate would be if the Giants figure out they are in rebuild mode and don't want to keep paying DT Snacks Harrison and he becomes available. Harrison on the 2017 Cowboys defense would have been worth about 3 wins and would have covered up problems at LB and Safety.

 

[Nightman]

They would get the money from not signing Irving in addition to the 1st round pick. You could replace Irving with a free agent and the pick is free.

I like Irving but they really need a legit starting 1tech which means Collins and Irving both play 3tech or Irving starts at DE.

Collins would likely dominate if he can move back to 3tech and play next to a legit 1tech like Dontari Poe.

The ultimate would be if the Giants figure out they are in rebuild mode and don't want to keep paying DT Snacks Harrison and he becomes available. Harrison on the 2017 Cowboys defense would have been worth about 3 wins and would have covered up problems at LB and Safety.

Snacks-DT + RoSmith-LB >>>> DIrving at 12m a year

and we still have our 1st to get a WR1