Bitcoin. Any experts/owners?

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using cash to drop a huge buy and drive the price up to sell happens in stock markets all the time.
Yes, but there's way more transparency. With regards to bitcoin, it's pure manipulation because most people have no clue that it's major investors artificially creating a fabricated demand that's not really there.

I understand you are pro-everything crypto-currency, but it's not realistic to support every crypto-currency. As I have said, I am not down on crypto-currency. There are some that I think hold potential and I am optimistic that eventually, there will be a tangible crypto-currency that will establish itself and will be regulated to prevent the rampant manipulations you are seeing right now.

That said, bitcoin is a pure speculation scheme. There's no tangible value in it. The moment the large investors dump it for something else (and they will), a lot of average people are going to lose everything over night.
 

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Yes, but there's way more transparency. With regards to bitcoin, it's pure manipulation because most people have no clue that it's major investors artificially creating a fabricated demand that's not really there.

I understand you are pro-everything crypto-currency, but it's not realistic to support every crypto-currency. As I have said, I am not down on crypto-currency. There are some that I think hold potential and I am optimistic that eventually, there will be a tangible crypto-currency that will establish itself and will be regulated to prevent the rampant manipulations you are seeing right now.

That said, bitcoin is a pure speculation scheme. There's no tangible value in it. The moment the large investors dump it for something else (and they will), a lot of average people are going to lose everything over night.

I think bitcoin is trash, so I cant be pro-everything crypto.
 

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Just bought into XRP.

Looks like BTC is rallying again.

That was the only one that I really had any interest in. Mainly because it's not an actual cryptocurrency like the others. It's an international money exchange for banks where they can convert say dollars to euros quickly rather than taking days. While I see the possibility, what I also see is a level of greed by it's owners that is hard to digest. I thought about tossing a small bit of mad money at when it was around $1.30, but the exchange is having trouble validating accounts in a timely fashion.

I may just skip it now that the world has started talking about it. I heard the banking industry isn't even really considering it. Most likely, banks would more likely create a competing tool that *they* own. I mean, why wouldn't you? You don't give away billions is possible profit for free when you can just clone a simple idea.

Too risky when it can be replaced by the banking industry in short order.
 

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using cash to drop a huge buy and drive the price up to sell happens in stock markets all the time.

That's from speculators. History dictates that it's the speculators who fuel the profits of value investors.

If you want profits you can keep, don't speculate. Invest.
 

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I think bitcoin is trash, so I cant be pro-everything crypto.

They are the same exact thing except with different blocksize. Now, that can matter transaction wise, but hey. Since it's 100% based on speculation, you're going to need to support MASSIVE volatility!!!!
 

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That was the only one that I really had any interest in. Mainly because it's not an actual cryptocurrency like the others. It's an international money exchange for banks where they can convert say dollars to euros quickly rather than taking days. While I see the possibility, what I also see is a level of greed by it's owners that is hard to digest. I thought about tossing a small bit of mad money at when it was around $1.30, but the exchange is having trouble validating accounts in a timely fashion.

I may just skip it now that the world has started talking about it. I heard the banking industry isn't even really considering it. Most likely, banks would more likely create a competing tool that *they* own. I mean, why wouldn't you? You don't give away billions is possible profit for free when you can just clone a simple idea.

Too risky when it can be replaced by the banking industry in short order.

You started off strong in this post then floundered.

If you're thinking of levels of greed by the owners, then you're thinking of Stellar/XLM and Jed "Crook" McCaleb.

The main stakeholder in XRP is the other co-creator, Chris Larsen. Chris announced he is going to donate 7 billion xrp. How can you be at some level of greed when you're donating your money? lol.

And, the banking industry is considering it. Over 100 banks are signed on including power houses like American Express, SBI and UBS.

Why would a bank use it? Because proprietary tools dont get adopted well. Wendy's has a pay app. Is walmart going to adopt a Wendy's pay app or say, apple pay? They arent going to adopt 500 proprietary pay apps, they pick the mainstream one to do business with because of adoption. Same with banks. They arent going to want to front the capital to develop their own proprietary system and then have to go try and convince every one of the millions of people they do with to front capital to adopt their proprietary system.
 

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They are the same exact thing except with different blocksize. Now, that can matter transaction wise, but hey. Since it's 100% based on speculation, you're going to need to support MASSIVE volatility!!!!

Whats the same exact thing?
 

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Anything with strong leadership, plans, actual use cases, and willing to operate within regulations.

The top 2 for that are:
Ripple and XRP
Cardone and ADA
On a more indirect, subsidiary basis, do you have any interest in what WeChat is doing?
I guess the investment would be in Tencent Holdings (TCEHY)
 

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You started off strong in this post then floundered.

If you're thinking of levels of greed by the owners, then you're thinking of Stellar/XLM and Jed "Crook" McCaleb.

The main stakeholder in XRP is the other co-creator, Chris Larsen. Chris announced he is going to donate 7 billion xrp. How can you be at some level of greed when you're donating your money? lol.

And, the banking industry is considering it. Over 100 banks are signed on including power houses like American Express, SBI and UBS.

Why would a bank use it? Because proprietary tools dont get adopted well. Wendy's has a pay app. Is walmart going to adopt a Wendy's pay app or say, apple pay? They arent going to adopt 500 proprietary pay apps, they pick the mainstream one to do business with because of adoption. Same with banks. They arent going to want to front the capital to develop their own proprietary system and then have to go try and convince every one of the millions of people they do with to front capital to adopt their proprietary system.

XRP owners are withholding 50% of the entire quantity of ripple in their own coffers. Interesting indeed!
 

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Bitcoin and Bitcoin cash. You said you love one and hate the other. They are basically mirrors of each other with the exception of blocksize.

That was in reference to predicting future adoption and viability. I dont really like either and dont hold either.
 
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