Mike Zimmer should be the Dallas HC

[Portnoy1]

I'm no Garrett fan, but sometimes it comes down to players just making mistakes no matter how much "coaching" they get. That's on the players.

I'm pretty sure no one "coached" the Saints defender to tackle that way.

I agree with that, Byron Jones in no man's land in the last play 2016 playoffs comes to mind. #BRINGZIMMERHOME.
For those comparing Garrett to Zimmer, let's keep in mind Garrett took 4 yrs to make playoffs. Zimmer has made it twice and in the 4th year took his team to the championship game.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Did the trade offer for Romo occur before or after the Saints signed Breed?

It was before. Payton made that offer in his 1st week at New Orleans. He offered a 3rd and Parcel said it had to be a 2nd and Payton turned it down. So when free agency started Payton sign Brees who was coming off a very serious shoulder injury and many thought he might not be able to throw the ball with any zip on it. Only the saints and the bucs made offers to him and because of Payton he signed with the saints.

 

[gjkoeppen]

I think it was the first year in the Kiffinelli era, Zimmer went to the Vikes and hired Norv. That was the Dream Team for the Cowboys in the Romo era. Two coaches that Jerry saw great success with as OCs. Our defense had been catastrophically awful. Worst ever. But instead of moving on to an up and coming HC who had worked for him in the past and had produced for him, we continued with the same crew that brought us disaster and humiliation.

Garrett is Jerrystein's Monster. Jerry has failed at getting championships post Jimmy, so he is focused on leaving a coaching legacy that he created instead.

I'm not sure what you were thinking of. Norv Turner was long gone before Romo even got to Dallas. Turner was with Dallas from 91-93, Romo didn't come to the Cowboys until 2003. Zimmer was the DC from 94-99 but from 2000-2006 he was just the secondary coach. He left then to be DC for the falcons.
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[buybuydandavis]

I'm not sure what you were thinking of. Norv Turner was long gone before Romo even got to Dallas. Turner was with Dallas from 91-93, Romo didn't come to the Cowboys until 2003. Zimmer was the DC from 94-99 but from 2000-2006 he was just the secondary coach. He left then to be DC for the falcons.
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2013 we were last in the league in defensive yards. Worst Cowboys defense ever. It was the first year of the Kiffinelli Era.

Zimmer and Turner went to the Vikes in 2014.

They were available. And we had just come off the third 8-8 season in a row.

 

[gjkoeppen]

2013 we were last in the league in defensive yards. Worst Cowboys defense ever. It was the first year of the Kiffinelli Era.

Zimmer and Turner went to the Vikes in 2014.

They were available. And we had just come off the third 8-8 season in a row.

Here's a couple of points to ponder about your "dream team coaches". First both having spent time in Dallas before working for Jones there is ZERO guarantee that either would have returned again. Taking Zimmer first. He was demoted when he was in Dallas from DC to secondary coach and I'm sure he hasn't forgotten that. Second, above that, being offered a job as a DC or a head coach which do you really think he would have taken seeing that he did take the head coaching job. Just a side note, I understand that you meant the defense was bad in 2013 but they weren't LAST, but almost at 30th. Now Turner was an OC so why when you were complaining about the defense would his name come up? In 2013 the Cowboys offense was ranked 16th overall or in the middle of the pack. After the 2013 season Turner was fired by the charges because his offense had become stagnant. Turner had run the same offense where ever he went which like when he was in Dallas it was based on a very strong running game and passing game. In 2013 the Cowboys didn't have a very strong running game. Oh wait in 2014 Murray in his contract year finally did have a good year because he finally stayed healthy for an entire season unlike his 1st three when he was often injured but nobody could have known that would happen. Another side note he left the Cowboys and signed a 3 year deal with philly but only lasted a single season before they released him after the 1st season. So when you dream about coaches make sure you dream with all relative facts.
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[DallasDomination]

Yeah we whiffed on Zimmer. But at the time he was just a jag coach. Nobody in the fan base wanted him. Be honest..Zimmer was a bend but don't break guy here. Nobody liked him.

 

[IrishAnto]

Parcells would have won the SB in 2007. Retired after 2008. Zimmer would have taken over. Perennial playoffs instead of the Red Headed excuse machine.

Counter factual of the day.

I have to laugh.

Most posters around here at the time wanted Zimmer run out of town.

Couldn’t coach a 3-4 they said.

Maybe we shouldn’t have switched in the first place.

 

[waving monkey]

Parcells would have won the SB in 2007. Retired after 2008. Zimmer would have taken over. Perennial playoffs instead of the Red Headed excuse machine.

Counter factual of the day.

MIN 2014 7 9 0 .438 3rd in NFC North – – –
MIN 2015 11 5 0 .688 1st in NFC North 0 1 .000 Lost to Seattle Seahawks in NFC Wild-Card Game.
MIN 2016 8 8 0 .500 3rd in NFC North – – –
MIN 2017 13 3 0 .813 1st in NFC North 1 0 1.000 Defeated the New Orleans Saints in NFL Divisional Game.
Total 39 2

 

[theebs]

I have to laugh.

Most posters around here at the time wanted Zimmer run out of town.

Couldn’t coach a 3-4 they said.

Maybe we shouldn’t have switched in the first place.

The switch was good. The switch back to the 4-3 was not.

 

[theebs]

Here's a couple of points to ponder about your "dream team coaches". First both having spent time in Dallas before working for Jones there is ZERO guarantee that either would have returned again. Taking Zimmer first. He was demoted when he was in Dallas from DC to secondary coach and I'm sure he hasn't forgotten that. Second, above that, being offered a job as a DC or a head coach which do you really think he would have taken seeing that he did take the head coaching job. Just a side note, I understand that you meant the defense was bad in 2013 but they weren't LAST, but almost at 30th. Now Turner was an OC so why when you were complaining about the defense would his name come up? In 2013 the Cowboys offense was ranked 16th overall or in the middle of the pack. After the 2013 season Turner was fired by the charges because his offense had become stagnant. Turner had run the same offense where ever he went which like when he was in Dallas it was based on a very strong running game and passing game. In 2013 the Cowboys didn't have a very strong running game. Oh wait in 2014 Murray in his contract year finally did have a good year because he finally stayed healthy for an entire season unlike his 1st three when he was often injured but nobody could have known that would happen. Another side note he left the Cowboys and signed a 3 year deal with philly but only lasted a single season before they released him after the 1st season. So when you dream about coaches make sure you dream with all relative facts.
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Where are you coming up with this idea that Zimmer was demoted in Dallas. He was not. He was promoted when Campo was named Head Coach and he was Parcells Defensive Coordinator all of Bill's four years.

Demarco murray was very good in 2013. The line was a year away.

 

[the_h0wey]

Parcells would have won the SB in 2007. Retired after 2008. Zimmer would have taken over. Perennial playoffs instead of the Red Headed excuse machine.

Counter factual of the day.

Years ago I started a thread saying Zimmer should be Parcells replacement when he retires and I was basically crucified on here. Wish I could find that thread...

 

[gjkoeppen]

Where are you coming up with this idea that Zimmer was demoted in Dallas. He was not. He was promoted when Campo was named Head Coach and he was Parcells Defensive Coordinator all of Bill's four years.

Demarco murray was very good in 2013. The line was a year away.

Yes, I got my years mixed. You are right about being a secondary coach first and then promoted to DC from 2000-2006. I sit corrected. AS far as Murray unless I'm wrong he missed some games like he did the previous 2 years because of injuries. The only season he played all 16 games was 2014 his contract year.

 

[IrishAnto]

The switch was good. The switch back to the 4-3 was not.

Other than wasting time transitioning to the 3-4 what did we gain?
We only won one playoff game I believe.
Then we wasted more time going back to the 4-3

 

[theebs]

Other than wasting time transitioning to the 3-4 what did we gain?
We only won one playoff game I believe.
Then we wasted more time going back to the 4-3

They didnt wast any time in the transition to the 3-4. All the players needed were assembled in the offseason of 2005.

Demarcus Ware, Marcus Spears, Chris Canty, Jay Ratliff, Kevin Burnett in the draft.
Jason ferguson in free agency.

Kenyon Coleman was acquired in the 04 season and was a perfect 34 two gapping end.

On the roster they had Bradie James a perfect ILB in the 34 we played, Al Singleton who was a terrific role player, La'Roi glover and Gregg Ellis who played out of position in the base but were fine in the nickel and odd sets. they were also excellent teachers to the young guys.

There was no long transition to the 34. It happened in the offseason.

the 4-3 we are playing now we still are searching for ends and tackles to play the scheme the right way. It has been four years of hoping players could fit a number of different spots and because of that they have had to play guys who were not very good.

 

[theebs]

Yes, I got my years mixed. You are right about being a secondary coach first and then promoted to DC from 2000-2006. I sit corrected. AS far as Murray unless I'm wrong he missed some games like he did the previous 2 years because of injuries. The only season he played all 16 games was 2014 his contract year.

yea he missed a few games but he had a very good season in 2013.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Years ago I started a thread saying Zimmer should be Parcells replacement when he retires and I was basically crucified on here. Wish I could find that thread...

I gave you a Like then and I'm giving you one now.

Bottom line is Zimmy is a good coach but it's hard to see him in Dallas unless Jerry was willing to give him any and all credit for the team's success. Jimmy would have wanted to do things his way; not sure if that would have been possible.

 

[IrishAnto]

They didnt wast any time in the transition to the 3-4. All the players needed were assembled in the offseason of 2005.

Demarcus Ware, Marcus Spears, Chris Canty, Jay Ratliff, Kevin Burnett in the draft.
Jason ferguson in free agency.

Kenyon Coleman was acquired in the 04 season and was a perfect 34 two gapping end.

On the roster they had Bradie James a perfect ILB in the 34 we played, Al Singleton who was a terrific role player, La'Roi glover and Gregg Ellis who played out of position in the base but were fine in the nickel and odd sets. they were also excellent teachers to the young guys.

There was no long transition to the 34. It happened in the offseason.

the 4-3 we are playing now we still are searching for ends and tackles to play the scheme the right way. It has been four years of hoping players could fit a number of different spots and because of that they have had to play guys who were not very good.

Again what did we win?

 

[the_h0wey]

I gave you a Like then and I'm giving you one now.

Bottom line is Zimmy is a good coach but it's hard to see him in Dallas unless Jerry was willing to give him any and all credit for the team's success. Jimmy would have wanted to do things his way; not sure if that would have been possible.

Like Jimmy and Parcells it would have been for 3 years or so and then Jerry just wouldn't be able to help himself

 

[gimmesix]

That's one thing I hate about the playoffs....its that moment where we rue old players and old coaches who aren't here anymore and talk about how we should've kept them even if it wasn't plausible to do lol. People even did it with Wade as if everyone didn't want Wade out of here lol.

I wanted Wade to be demoted to defensive coordinator, even if I knew it wasn't realistic.

 

[foofighters]

No one should miss Wade. He was terrible.

Your name should tell you what happened to Wade. Jerry set him up to fail from the start. He wasn't terrible at all.