Did the coaching staff ruin Chaz Green?

[Stash]

He had two bad games. He had more good games than that filling in the year before.

Maybe he is mentally weak to where he is "ruined" but we have no way of knowing if that is the case.

Personally, I think they should move him back to OT and keep him there practicing and see how he develops. OL take time and while the coaches like flexibility, it does not always work out and certain players are not flexible.

His footwork and hands regressed but he also did not practice OT until a few games into the season because someone decided they wanted him at guard. He was actually okay at guard.

He would hardly be the first person that needed a lot of reps to get ready. Parnell was like that too taking 2 or 3 games of horrific play in the preseason before rounding into form.

How many "good games" did he have? That same "two"? And that's over his 3-year career, even the few times he's actually been available.

Chaz Green can stay on the roster until they get someone to replace him. And that's needs to be made a significant priority. If they make the mistake of counting on him or Smith's health for the 2018 season, any issues that result are self-inflicted and the result of their own stupidity. The writing is on the wall for everyone to see.

 

[Stash]

He was good enough the Cowboys had a 3rd round grade on him. He actually had a pretty decent college career when he played.

When everyone else had a 5th or 6th round grade on him. A condemnation of the Cowboys, not an endorsement for Green.

 

[Otto65]

If you think about it you see a lot of the players come from big schools. The coaches at the big schools are spirited, emotional, and fiery. Look at Saban, Meyer, etc. Now they come to the Cowboys with Garrett and his high school slogans. He claps if you make a bad play and pats you on the backside if you make a good play. As a result, the player has a letdown. He gets a clap for a bad play so why should he make the extra effort to make a good play. Make a bad play for Belichick, Tomlin, Payton, you will see some emotion for sure.

 

[Bullflop]

Chaz was a disaster in terms of his injury vulnerability in college and it's continued with no letup in the professional ranks.

His performances in a backup role this year proved to be a catastrophic failure in filling in for the absence of Tyron Smith.

I'll be tremendusly disappointed if our Cowboys' front office fails to draft a capable backup OT to replace his dismal play.

 

[Stash]

Chaz was a disaster in terms of his injury vulnerability in college and it's continued with no letup in the professional ranks.

His performances in a backup role this year proved to be a catastrophic failure in filling in for the absence of Tyron Smith.

I, for one, will be bitterly disappointed if our Cowboys' front office fails to draft a good backup OT to replace his dismal play.

I say you get a quality tackle anyway if you can, even if it's by using your first round pick.

Let's asess the current situation:

Smith has back issues and other assorted injuries. He hasn't played a full season the past two years. There is no clear sign that his back issues should improve. Nothing has changed to warrant that consideration. "Rest" didn't help this past year

La'el Collins played well and improved as the season went along, but what also happened was another back issue, a bulging disk. He managed it, but missed considerable practice time. Another concern.

And neither Byron Bell or particularly Chaz Green showed capable of being backup options.

For me, this makes adding another tackle a must. Either as a backup guy for now, or a possible starter, now and in the long term.

Worst case scenario if you draft one, you can play the draft pick on either side and move Collins back to left guard. Worst case scenario without drafting one? Kiss the 2018 season goodbye like you did 2017.

 

[theebs]

If you consider an oft-injured, fragile, beaten-like-a-drum liability like Chaz Green "a player"? Sure.

Ask yourself why it's a "position of need"? Because Green can't fill it.

Well you have convinced me. Solid stuff here. I hope we cut him before the games kickoff today.

 

[Stash]

Well you have convinced me. Solid stuff here. I hope we cut him before the games kickoff today.

I think people have repeatedly said quite different, I know I have, but you go ahead and makeup whatever you need to.

I guess if you've got nothing left to contribute intelligently, you have to resort to this.

 

[JustChip]

I don't know what happened but he went from a solid offensive lineman to the worst football player I think I've ever seen in 1 game.

I'm not sure he was/is "solid". Serviceable maybe.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

No, but Green might have ruined Dak. Was skittish the rest of the season after that.

LOL

 

[JustChip]

I say you get a quality tackle anyway if you can, even if it's by using your first round pick.

Let's asess the current situation:

Smith has back issues and other assorted injuries. He hasn't played a full season the past two years. There is no clear sign that his back issues should improve. Nothing has changed to warrant that consideration. "Rest" didn't help this past year

La'el Collins played well and improved as the season went along, but what also happened was another back issue, a bulging disk. He managed it, but missed considerable practice time. Another concern.

And neither Byron Bell or particularly Chaz Green showed capable of being backup options.

For me, this makes adding another tackle a must. Either as a backup guy for now, or a possible starter, now and in the long term.

Worst case scenario if you draft one, you can play the draft pick on either side and move Collins back to left guard. Worst case scenario without drafting one? Kiss the 2018 season goodbye like you did 2017.

Absolutely on point with taking a tackle in the 1st, but not on a reach. We have other needs, but I'm a BPA proponent for the draft. You never know what injury will occur so you take the best player regardless of whether, at that moment, you think you need it. This franchise got in trouble in the early 2000s reaching based on need.

 

[lostar2009]

The whole guard experiment and then back to tackle with no help did him ZERO favors...Green is a player that needs everything to go right to have any chance at success (health especially as the dude was as injury prone as they come and seem capable of hurting himself in warmups)...the combination of our misuse coupled with our inability to keep/get dudes healthy (e.g., constant string of chronically injured players with soft tissue problems) converged mightily with this young man...he's a bust at this point and we should move on.

The kid was drafted on a stretcher. I agree this team ruined this guy progress. The same way they place Collins at RT without playing the guy at any point as a RT. We got his on the job training at the expense of Dak taking hits. The three stooges have no clue what they doing.

 

[diefree666]

The kid was drafted on a stretcher. I agree this team ruined this guy progress. The same way they place Collins at RT without playing the guy at any point as a RT. We got his on the job training at the expense of Dak taking hits. The three stooges have no clue what they doing.

that is an insult to the Three Stooges who were actually pretty sharp guys. Our three stooges are doofus one two and three who are football stupid.

 

[theebs]

I think people have repeatedly said quite different, I know I have, but you go ahead and makeup whatever you need to.

I guess if you've got nothing left to contribute intelligently, you have to resort to this.

Definitely.

Nothing shows intelligence like freaking out over the probable 8th offensive lineman in an 8 man group who was asked to play guard and struggled then had one bad game at tackle and wanting to cut him in January.

The team is forced to bring in at least two new lineman this year, there is a new line coach who could be a positive for him.

His role is to be a swing tackle. The team needs an upgraded proven vet tackle to replace bell, someone like Andre smith possibly. So he won’t even be the first in line if the offseason goes well. So all this freaking out over a guy making almost no money because he had one bad game and was asked to play out of position all spring and summer is dumb.

 

[cowboy_ron]

Maybe a combination of poor coaching along with poor scouting that deemed him worthy of a third round draft pick instead of at most an UDFA.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

Not to give him help is even more puzzling to me and should be cause to fired on the spot. Nor did his replacement get help. Could red have done a Pete Rose that game?

 

[glimmerman]

Not to give him help is even more puzzling to me and should be cause to fired on the spot. Nor did his replacement get help. Could red have done a Pete Rose that game?

Especially after his halftime interview when he said they were gonna give him help. They got Dak killed and had a ripple effect on the rest of the year. Dak never felt safe after that game when Tyron wasn’t playing.

 

[Stash]

Definitely.

Nothing shows intelligence like freaking out over the probable 8th offensive lineman in an 8 man group who was asked to play guard and struggled then had one bad game at tackle and wanting to cut him in January.

The team is forced to bring in at least two new lineman this year, there is a new line coach who could be a positive for him.

His role is to be a swing tackle. The team needs an upgraded proven vet tackle to replace bell, someone like Andre smith possibly. So he won’t even be the first in line if the offseason goes well. So all this freaking out over a guy making almost no money because he had one bad game and was asked to play out of position all spring and summer is dumb.

“Dumb” is referring to talking about a significant need as “freaking out”.

Or being “OK” with Chaz Green when he’s shown to not be up to the task. That’s “dumb”.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I still SMDH when thinking about how in the world they let Leary leave.

He wasn't worth the money he was asking for. Especially given his injury situation.

 

[theebs]

“Dumb” is referring to talking about a significant need as “freaking out”.

Or being “OK” with Chaz Green when he’s shown to not be up to the task. That’s “dumb”.

Ok then.

Continue on arguing about cutting the 8th lineman in January.

I am all set with this topic.

 

[Pantone282C]

He wasn't worth the money he was asking for. Especially given his injury situation.

I wonder if he forced their hand in order to move on? He was very unhappy here if I recall.