Dak tops in tight window throws

[shabazz]

Like Idgit said, what exactly is this suppose to prove?

That he sucks at throwing to wide open receivers? Something had to give for his stats to have dropped significantly from last season.

Also, kinda important to note that Dak lead the league in pick 6s (ints returned for TDs).

That's the offensive lines fault for not being able to run down those defensive backs from behind; not our Daks fault

 

[Hadenough]

Nobody is saying this list is an end all, be all about Dak and his abilities. It’s moronic to think in such absolute terms.

I think the point is though, that if Dak is number one of all QB’s in this stat.... then maybe just maybe his accuracy and arm aren’t as bad as some people
Make it out to be.

Not to say Dak doesn’t need to keep improving. He does need to keep improving
And his accuracy does struggle, at times. But we have people on this board calling him a HS QB and calling him noodle
Arm. Which is pretty ridiculous in its own right too. Because he most definitely doesn’t have a middle arm.

Of course he isn't a noodle arm but I would say he is in the bottom of the league in ball velocity.

 

[jay94]

With our receivers every window is tight, and that is a major problem.

 

[atlantacowboy]

NP. It is a hard stat to draw a conclusion from in regards to the WR corps. Could be scheme related, speed, match up, etc. But I thought it related to the tight window throws in that if you have less separation from you WRs you may be more likely to have more tight throws. We see Dal WR were about average.

The real question is whether or not it was much different than 2016 in terms WR speed and match-ups.. I think you are right in that the scheme absolutely factors into this............we apparently run a lot of the same routes and every defense knows what s coming.

 

[JustChip]

While I agree that pederson is a better coach and a "play to win and risk it all" type of coach , he would never have an Alex Smith/ Dak Prescott type of QB as a starter...

A coach can call a "risky" fade route into single coverage on 3rd down all he wants , but if he has a QB that is only concerned with avoiding INTs and keeping a high completion percentage, his "scheme" will look like trash . Dak is the type of QB that sees single coverage on 3rd down and long and would rather dump it off, get the completion, and hope to pick up a first down.

In Dak's mind, throwing checkdowns is better because a long throw is a 50 50 proposition, and has a chance to get picked off. Sure, a checkdowns will more than likely result in a punt, but it will give Dak a good completion percentage and 6 yards instead of 0 from an incompletion...

Look at Alex Smith's career arc.. same QB, different name. You just can't win with that type of QB..

Interesting article from BTB....https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/201...nd-dunk-quarterback-or-do-the-stats-otherwise

This chronicles his rookie season and not this year, but I think it's still worthy of perusal. The author doesn't really answer whether he's dink-and-dunk / check-down or not, but does make some very valuable observations.

Maybe the most salient is that, yes, it does show that the preponderance of Dak's throws are within 20 yard of the LoS, but that Dak's success when going beyond 20 yards is much, much higher than those QBs that played Dallas. Make of that what you will.

Also, Dak had 6 TDs on 20+ yard passes whereas the opponents only 2. Again, make of that what you will.

Finally, it points out that Dak doesn't throw down the seam as much as the other opponents. Is that because of Dak, or the capabilities of the TE, or not within the playbook? I don't know which, but would find it strange the Garrett wouldn't have this in the playbook considering that was an integral part of the early 90's with Jay Novacek.

 

[HungryLion]

Interesting article from BTB....https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/201...nd-dunk-quarterback-or-do-the-stats-otherwise

This chronicles his rookie season and not this year, but I think it's still worthy of perusal. The author doesn't really answer whether he's dink-and-dunk / check-down or not, but does make some very valuable observations.

Maybe the most salient is that, yes, it does show that the preponderance of Dak's throws are within 20 yard of the LoS, but that Dak's success when going beyond 20 yards is much, much higher than those QBs that played Dallas. Make of that what you will.

Also, Dak had 6 TDs on 20+ yard passes whereas the opponents only 2. Again, make of that what you will.

Finally, it points out that Dak doesn't throw down the seam as much as the other opponents. Is that because of Dak, or the capabilities of the TE, or not within the playbook? I don't know which, but would find it strange the Garrett wouldn't have this in the playbook considering that was an integral part of the early 90's with Jay Novacek.

It’s definitely an interesting observation on the lack of passes down the seam.

I am not saying Dak doesn’t Have some responsibility in that, but part of the blame is definitely on Witten and his lack of speed.

Not trying to be disrespectful of one of the cowboys best players ever, but he just DOES NOT have the speed to threaten teams deep down the middle
Of the field anymore. It is clearly obvious when watching him play. And it IS a hindrance to the offense.

As a matter of fact, we have Witten who lacks deep speed at tight end and Beasley who lacks deep
Speed as our slot WR. There is NO deep
Threat from the slot in the offense. None. Especially since the offensive coaches suck at moving receivers around.

That needs to change one way or the other. Whether it means another tight end, a different slot WR. Better QB play in that regard, etc etc.

It’s part of the reason linebackers and safeties were able to sit on the shorter routes this past season they were able to creep up on Beasley and Witten because they had no fear of being beat deep down the middle of the field.

 

[starcity214]

Interesting article from BTB....https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/201...nd-dunk-quarterback-or-do-the-stats-otherwise

This chronicles his rookie season and not this year, but I think it's still worthy of perusal. The author doesn't really answer whether he's dink-and-dunk / check-down or not, but does make some very valuable observations.

Maybe the most salient is that, yes, it does show that the preponderance of Dak's throws are within 20 yard of the LoS, but that Dak's success when going beyond 20 yards is much, much higher than those QBs that played Dallas. Make of that what you will.

Also, Dak had 6 TDs on 20+ yard passes whereas the opponents only 2. Again, make of that what you will.

Finally, it points out that Dak doesn't throw down the seam as much as the other opponents. Is that because of Dak, or the capabilities of the TE, or not within the playbook? I don't know which, but would find it strange the Garrett wouldn't have this in the playbook considering that was an integral part of the early 90's with Jay Novacek.

I remember seeing a chart from his rookie season where they showed 90% of the throws Dak attempted we're 20 yards or less.

Also, that screen pass he threw to Zeke in the Pittsburgh game that went for a 80 yard TD counts as a 20+ TD pass.
that's at least one off the top of my head.

Dak is an Alex Smith clone. Nothing more, nothing less. Smith has put up some great QBR numbers over the years and is never injured...why would two teams replace him after being in the playoffs with him?

Sooner or later, you realize you can't win with a "captain checkdown" "play it safe" QB.

 

[JustChip]

I remember seeing a chart from his rookie season where they showed 90% of the throws Dak attempted we're 20 yards or less.

Also, that screen pass he threw to Zeke in the Pittsburgh game that went for a 80 yard TD counts as a 20+ TD pass.
that's at least one off the top of my head.

Dak is an Alex Smith clone. Nothing more, nothing less. Smith has put up some great QBR numbers over the years and is never injured...why would two teams replace him after being in the playoffs with him?

Sooner or later, you realize you can't win with a "captain checkdown" "play it safe" QB.

Actually, the charts in the article reflect the distance the ball traveled in the air, not the total yardage for the play. The author points that out in the article.

And teams can get to and win a Super Bowl with an Alex Smith QB. The Ravens, Bears, Bucs are just some examples. To me, the issue is not whether a QB is Captain Check-down or Colonel Vertical, it's about what's successful in the overall scheme of the offense. The Raiders have historically employed a highly vertical passing attack, but have not been overly successful as a team for the past 2 decades.

 

[Captain-Crash]

them short yard "tight passes" lol... what's need accurate hand offs... he leads the league in accurate hand offs..

 

[America's Cowboy]

So much for all of the "Dak's biggest flaw is that he's a terrible passer since he can't throw accurately into tight windows".

What a bunch of misinformed "fans". Start eating some crow.

Proves what some of us Dak supporters have been saying all along...

... it was more the Oline regressing, receivers not getting much separation at all, and the terrible play/route calls by Linehan.

 

[America's Cowboy]

I remember seeing a chart from his rookie season where they showed 90% of the throws Dak attempted we're 20 yards or less.

Also, that screen pass he threw to Zeke in the Pittsburgh game that went for a 80 yard TD counts as a 20+ TD pass.
that's at least one off the top of my head.

Dak is an Alex Smith clone. Nothing more, nothing less. Smith has put up some great QBR numbers over the years and is never injured...why would two teams replace him after being in the playoffs with him?

Sooner or later, you realize you can't win with a "captain checkdown" "play it safe" QB.

Tom Brady has led his teams to 8 and won 5 SBs with mostly a dink-n-dunk/short-to-mid passing game.

How many pure "deep passers" have been to anywhere as many SBs or won as much as Tom Brady?

 

[beware_d-ware]

The thing that worries me about Dak isn't his accuracy per se. He showed that he can be very accurate in 2016, and he make plenty of big-time throws this year.

What bothers me is his consistency. He had so many throws where he had a wide open man and it was just a swing and a miss. This offense will ultimately go as far as Dak takes us, and while I still believe he is franchise QB material, that faith gets tested every time I see him miss a freaking 5 yard checkdown.

 

[Captain-Crash]

naw the biggest problem he has is his pocket awareness and panic's when pressured.

 

[JustChip]

So much for all of the "Dak's biggest flaw is that he's a terrible passer since he can't throw accurately into tight windows".

What a bunch of misinformed "fans". Start eating some crow.

Proves what some of us Dak supporters have been saying all along...

... it was more the Oline regressing, receivers not getting much separation at all, and the terrible play/route calls by Linehan.

He's also accused of not being able to throw deep balls nor back-shoulder fades, the later contributing to his disconnect with Dez. I succumbed to public perception and began thinking the same. But then I went back and watched a number of games from this year and last year (including the Packers playoff game, the Pittsburgh game, and the KC and 2nd Giants games from this year).

What I discovered is that he can and does make all the throws successfully. There's no question he's been inconsistent this year, and that may be his footwork or other mechanics gets sloppy at times. I leave that to people who should know because I don't - my daddy taught me growing up a man's gotta know his limitations, and I'm not a QB coach or guru, just a fan that loves him some Cowboys. But, if it is footwork or other mechanics, that seems able to be remedied.

Bottom line for me is I've seen enough to believe he MIGHT be the franchise QB and enough to say he MIGHT NOT. Only time will tell. What I expect to see is progression and that's up to the coaches to determine whether he's progressing or not.

 

[xwalker]

funny how none of the other WRs have this problem.

 

[erod]

Lol, this is conical. Dak is horribly inaccurate. Embarrassingly so.

 

[dfense]

The word Dak and tight window should never be in the same sentence.

 

[dfense]

Like Idgit said, what exactly is this suppose to prove?

That he sucks at throwing to wide open receivers? Something had to give for his stats to have dropped significantly from last season.

Also, kinda important to note that Dak lead the league in pick 6s (ints returned for TDs).

I was unaware of that last stat. His legend grows.

 

[percyhoward]

Lol, this is conical.

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[percyhoward]

This is great. But it begs the question how bad he was in open windows, then, for his numbers to have dropped the way they did?

Most of his dropoff was concentrated in four games.

with Smith/Martin (11 games)
212 of 338 (63%) 2464 yd (7.3 ypa) 21 td 6 int 98.0

without: (4 games)
79 of 122 (65%) 681 yd (5.6 ypa) 0 td 7 int 55.4

I think the passer rating is so high on his tight window throws because of TD:INT. Basically, many of his TD were thrown into tight windows, and not many of the INT were. His passer rating to Dez was actually higher on the tight window throws (88.2) than on all throws combined (71.4), I think for the same reason.

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