Dylan88Wilson
Well-Known Member
- Messages
- 1,132
- Reaction score
- 2,147
I hope our FO isn’t shallow enough to start a lesser player just because he makes more money. I like to think we’re better than that.
-
Read the latest Dallas Cowboys News!Dallas Cowboys Newswire
D.J. Moore VS Calvin Ridley
- Thread starter Dylan88Wilson
- Start date
Alexander
What's it going to be then, eh?
- Messages
- 62,464
- Reaction score
- 67,274
How long have you been a Cowboys fan?
They actively avoid creating competition due to pay structure.
Aven8
Well-Known Member
- Messages
- 28,058
- Reaction score
- 43,488
Dylan88Wilson
Well-Known Member
- Messages
- 1,132
- Reaction score
- 2,147
I understand a large portion of Cowboys fan are self loathing, but come on now. Terrance Williams isn’t preventing anything.
beware_d-ware
Well-Known Member
- Messages
- 7,508
- Reaction score
- 9,150
Moore - 97th percentile NFL athlete.
Ridley - 7th percentile NFL athlete.
Athleticism's not the be all end all, but that's a hell of a discrepancy.
https://3sigmaathlete.com/rankings/wide-receiver/
Ridley - 7th percentile NFL athlete.
Athleticism's not the be all end all, but that's a hell of a discrepancy.
https://3sigmaathlete.com/rankings/wide-receiver/
marchetta
Well-Known Member
- Messages
- 4,185
- Reaction score
- 1,653
[Drew Boylhart, The Huddle Report] (Paraphrased)
Calvin Ridley WR Alabama
TALENT
ROUND 1
STRENGTHS
Calvin is a smooth, gliding type receiver with the speed and the cunning of a red fox. He has a high football IQ and runs excellent routes using his quickness and suddenness to shock his defender on just about any route he runs. He can set up his defender for the big play and beat double teams because of his intelligence and route running skills. Calvin runs with a smooth gate and this allows for his head and hands to be still when running deep routes making him a sure handed threat to score at any point on the field. He is an impact receiver who can play on the inside or outside because of his quickness in getting off the line and beating bump and run coverage. Calvin is definitely one of the top offensive players in this draft and any team needing an impact receiver for their passing game should be ready to select Calvin in this draft early.
CONCERNS
Calvin is smart and is smooth with good quickness but like any receiver he struggles to handle physical play. He can be moved off his routes if he is up against a corner back with his size and speed and there are a lot of those at the next level. Calvin lacks the leg strength to break tackles and gain yardage after the catch for needed third down yardage against zone defenses. Nevertheless, in the open field or against single coverage this is not an issue, he can gain plenty of yardage after the catch.
BOTTOM LINE
Calvin is an impact receiver but he might not be a franchise receiver. On third and short Calvin can make plays but his body type will struggle to stay healthy if he has to take a lot pounding. If coaches and teammates and fans can accept Calvin catching the ball and going down to the ground quickly on third downs against zone coverage’s than Calvin can be as good as any receiver who has played the game. Of course that will take smart coaching and smart play calling and we all know… those two criteria are not easy to find on most NFL teams. The Colts kept Marvin Harrison healthy for years because the coaching staff was smart to design most of his routes from the inside to the outside keeping him away from big hits and hits by more than one defender when playing against zone coverage’s. Furthermore, Peyton Manning took care of Marvin Harrison by throwing to him on routes to keep Marvin healthy and he was very productive. Calvin reminds me a lot of Marvin and has the potential to be as productive. So don’t hesitate in selecting Calvin but remember, he is not the type to be able to take multiple hits on every route he runs like bigger receivers with more bulk can. Calvin is not Dez Bryant…he is Marvin Harrison and there is a BIG difference in these types of receiver’s who don’t have the bulk to handle physical play in the red zone but can score from any other place on the field. Adding Calvin to an already good passing team would be a hell of an impact for sure.
DJ Moore WR Maryland
TALENT
ROUND 2
STRENGTHS
DJ has excellent athletic talent and a high football IQ to impact for the team that selects him the day after the draft. He shows on film excellent quickness and his body type shows power and strength in both his lower and upper body. DJ has excellent soft hands to catch the ball and excellent eye/hand coordination to make the difficult contested catch. He has running back size and abilities to gain yards after the catch and move the chains. DJ ‘s ability to adjust to the ball in the air and get open with quickness in and out of his breaks makes him an impact player in the right offense. In short, DJ is a weapon and a match up night mare for defensive coordinators.
CONCERNS
DJ is a slot receiver with running back skills very much like Randall Cobb. He will struggle if used as an outside receiver because of a lack of height and pure speed. He has good speed but he is more quick than fast and unless he is matched up with a strong armed QB who can get the ball into tight areas, DJ’s impact position will be on special teams and as a slot receiver.
BOTTOM LINE
There is no doubt in my mind that DJ is an impact offensive player for the team that selects him, but he has to be in the right offense with the right play calling coach. Jarvis Landry is a perfect example of the impact DJ could have with the right team. He is strong and quick and with his running back size and strength and will gain yardage after the catch very much like Jarvis has. On the other hand he also has the same athletic talent as Randall Cobb and Randall has struggled to impact consistently because of injuries and the offensive system that he is in. So don’t select DJ if you’re team’s offense and offensive play caller doesn’t respect the impact slot receivers can have for your offense. I do understand the thinking that you can’t run your offense through the slot receiver position for a 16 game schedule. Nevertheless this position is becoming more of an impact, play making position and DJ is a play maker and an impact player and adding him to your team will only open up your offense. Making a defense defend the middle of the field allows for sweeps and screens and the lateral speed receivers on the outside, to be in more single coverage situations. Safeties and linebackers will be a step late helping out on these types of plays when their priority becomes defending the middle of the field. Of course when they do spread out to help out that leaves the middle of the field open for those pass catching tight ends and slot receivers like DJ who can run inside or outside and catch quick passes on the inside or outside and gain that all important yardage after the catch to move the chains.
Calvin Ridley WR Alabama
TALENT
ROUND 1
STRENGTHS
Calvin is a smooth, gliding type receiver with the speed and the cunning of a red fox. He has a high football IQ and runs excellent routes using his quickness and suddenness to shock his defender on just about any route he runs. He can set up his defender for the big play and beat double teams because of his intelligence and route running skills. Calvin runs with a smooth gate and this allows for his head and hands to be still when running deep routes making him a sure handed threat to score at any point on the field. He is an impact receiver who can play on the inside or outside because of his quickness in getting off the line and beating bump and run coverage. Calvin is definitely one of the top offensive players in this draft and any team needing an impact receiver for their passing game should be ready to select Calvin in this draft early.
CONCERNS
Calvin is smart and is smooth with good quickness but like any receiver he struggles to handle physical play. He can be moved off his routes if he is up against a corner back with his size and speed and there are a lot of those at the next level. Calvin lacks the leg strength to break tackles and gain yardage after the catch for needed third down yardage against zone defenses. Nevertheless, in the open field or against single coverage this is not an issue, he can gain plenty of yardage after the catch.
BOTTOM LINE
Calvin is an impact receiver but he might not be a franchise receiver. On third and short Calvin can make plays but his body type will struggle to stay healthy if he has to take a lot pounding. If coaches and teammates and fans can accept Calvin catching the ball and going down to the ground quickly on third downs against zone coverage’s than Calvin can be as good as any receiver who has played the game. Of course that will take smart coaching and smart play calling and we all know… those two criteria are not easy to find on most NFL teams. The Colts kept Marvin Harrison healthy for years because the coaching staff was smart to design most of his routes from the inside to the outside keeping him away from big hits and hits by more than one defender when playing against zone coverage’s. Furthermore, Peyton Manning took care of Marvin Harrison by throwing to him on routes to keep Marvin healthy and he was very productive. Calvin reminds me a lot of Marvin and has the potential to be as productive. So don’t hesitate in selecting Calvin but remember, he is not the type to be able to take multiple hits on every route he runs like bigger receivers with more bulk can. Calvin is not Dez Bryant…he is Marvin Harrison and there is a BIG difference in these types of receiver’s who don’t have the bulk to handle physical play in the red zone but can score from any other place on the field. Adding Calvin to an already good passing team would be a hell of an impact for sure.
DJ Moore WR Maryland
TALENT
ROUND 2
STRENGTHS
DJ has excellent athletic talent and a high football IQ to impact for the team that selects him the day after the draft. He shows on film excellent quickness and his body type shows power and strength in both his lower and upper body. DJ has excellent soft hands to catch the ball and excellent eye/hand coordination to make the difficult contested catch. He has running back size and abilities to gain yards after the catch and move the chains. DJ ‘s ability to adjust to the ball in the air and get open with quickness in and out of his breaks makes him an impact player in the right offense. In short, DJ is a weapon and a match up night mare for defensive coordinators.
CONCERNS
DJ is a slot receiver with running back skills very much like Randall Cobb. He will struggle if used as an outside receiver because of a lack of height and pure speed. He has good speed but he is more quick than fast and unless he is matched up with a strong armed QB who can get the ball into tight areas, DJ’s impact position will be on special teams and as a slot receiver.
BOTTOM LINE
There is no doubt in my mind that DJ is an impact offensive player for the team that selects him, but he has to be in the right offense with the right play calling coach. Jarvis Landry is a perfect example of the impact DJ could have with the right team. He is strong and quick and with his running back size and strength and will gain yardage after the catch very much like Jarvis has. On the other hand he also has the same athletic talent as Randall Cobb and Randall has struggled to impact consistently because of injuries and the offensive system that he is in. So don’t select DJ if you’re team’s offense and offensive play caller doesn’t respect the impact slot receivers can have for your offense. I do understand the thinking that you can’t run your offense through the slot receiver position for a 16 game schedule. Nevertheless this position is becoming more of an impact, play making position and DJ is a play maker and an impact player and adding him to your team will only open up your offense. Making a defense defend the middle of the field allows for sweeps and screens and the lateral speed receivers on the outside, to be in more single coverage situations. Safeties and linebackers will be a step late helping out on these types of plays when their priority becomes defending the middle of the field. Of course when they do spread out to help out that leaves the middle of the field open for those pass catching tight ends and slot receivers like DJ who can run inside or outside and catch quick passes on the inside or outside and gain that all important yardage after the catch to move the chains.
FuzzyLumpkins
The Boognish
- Messages
- 36,061
- Reaction score
- 27,409
Crawford was displaced for a rookie as a 3T and then at end by Irving. Byron Jones had his snaps cut in half while Heath was made full time. Scandrick lost his place starting outside to Awuzie and Lewis.
Where exactly on the roster did they do that last year? They forced Green into the lineup over Cooper but that wasn't because of pay. I cannot think of any other examples in recent history.
DFWJC
Well-Known Member
- Messages
- 59,445
- Reaction score
- 48,251
Wow. I was sober when I wrote that too.
CATCH17
1st Round Pick
- Messages
- 67,075
- Reaction score
- 84,672
Yep.
There is no such thing as open competition unless the 2 competing players have similar salaries.
stilltheguru88
Well-Known Member
- Messages
- 6,737
- Reaction score
- 6,243
You think Switzer can compete with Beaskey this year to start in the slot? 
Over Coward Clappers dead body
Over Coward Clappers dead body
reddyuta
Well-Known Member
- Messages
- 22,019
- Reaction score
- 16,736
You think Switzer can compete with Beaskey this year to start in the slot?
they couldnt figure out a way to play both Switzer and Beasley together,these coaches are pathetic.
DFWJC
Well-Known Member
- Messages
- 59,445
- Reaction score
- 48,251
Thats a heckuva Sparc score for Sutton...right there with Moore and 3inches taller
I guess they didn't calculate Chark b/c it was incomplete?
Verdammung
Well-Known Member
- Messages
- 533
- Reaction score
- 622
A few comments.
1) On the subject of using another first rounder on a left guard, I believe that's a viable option and not a waste of a pick. We're talking about a player that will play every snap on offense. Just because we already have four talented starters on the line already doesn't mean adding a fifth won't be an improvement. It only takes one bad player getting beat for your QB to get sacked after all; just look at the Atlanta game.
2) Not a fan of Ridley. I know he's amongst the best route runners in this class (definitely better than Moore is), but I think he's a bad contested ball catcher, he doesn't break tackles, and I question his blocking. Combine that with his age and poor combine numbers (my opinion, based on his weight), I'm just not interested in him.
3) At this point, D.J. Moore is my #1 receiver with an early 2nd round grade. However, considering my board, there are only a few slightly unrealistic options I'd take ahead of him, so I'm very comfortable taking him at #19; knowing that even trading back would risk losing him at this point.
4) While a great combine performance doesn't improve my grading of a prospect, in Moore's case it makes him much more desirable for what I want to add at wide receiver. Aside from simply having an overall higher athletic ceiling, Dez Bryant, Terrance Williams, Cole Beasley, Ryan Switzer, and Noah Brown all run slower than 4.50. Before the combine started, D.J. Moore was considered a risk to run a 4.60 and I was worried he wouldn't bring anything new to our depth chart. Instead he a ran a 4.42; showing he can be a speed threat while still providing legitimate receiving ability.
1) On the subject of using another first rounder on a left guard, I believe that's a viable option and not a waste of a pick. We're talking about a player that will play every snap on offense. Just because we already have four talented starters on the line already doesn't mean adding a fifth won't be an improvement. It only takes one bad player getting beat for your QB to get sacked after all; just look at the Atlanta game.
2) Not a fan of Ridley. I know he's amongst the best route runners in this class (definitely better than Moore is), but I think he's a bad contested ball catcher, he doesn't break tackles, and I question his blocking. Combine that with his age and poor combine numbers (my opinion, based on his weight), I'm just not interested in him.
3) At this point, D.J. Moore is my #1 receiver with an early 2nd round grade. However, considering my board, there are only a few slightly unrealistic options I'd take ahead of him, so I'm very comfortable taking him at #19; knowing that even trading back would risk losing him at this point.
4) While a great combine performance doesn't improve my grading of a prospect, in Moore's case it makes him much more desirable for what I want to add at wide receiver. Aside from simply having an overall higher athletic ceiling, Dez Bryant, Terrance Williams, Cole Beasley, Ryan Switzer, and Noah Brown all run slower than 4.50. Before the combine started, D.J. Moore was considered a risk to run a 4.60 and I was worried he wouldn't bring anything new to our depth chart. Instead he a ran a 4.42; showing he can be a speed threat while still providing legitimate receiving ability.
SportsGuru80
CowboysYanksLakers
- Messages
- 8,644
- Reaction score
- 4,514
I would take D.J. Moore over Ridley as well because of the age factor however I definitely wouldn't cry if we took the Alabama kid.
stilltheguru88
Well-Known Member
- Messages
- 6,737
- Reaction score
- 6,243
I still fail to see the purpose of having Noah Brown on this team. It’s mind boggling actually
xwalker
Well-Known Member
- Messages
- 56,995
- Reaction score
- 64,467
xwalker
Well-Known Member
- Messages
- 56,995
- Reaction score
- 64,467
You figured that out based on 9 targets for the year...
stilltheguru88
Well-Known Member
- Messages
- 6,737
- Reaction score
- 6,243
He probably had that many targets at osu. That’s my point
xwalker
Well-Known Member
- Messages
- 56,995
- Reaction score
- 64,467
You have not made a point.
He was the 5th/6th WR. He was the best blocking WR in college that I've ever seen.
He is a minimum wage type player and with very good size and good enough speed.