Opinion: Color Irving Gone

[skinsscalper]

It's not about if Irving can play or not. The issue is most don't seem to be confident to rely on him. He has already be suspended, has character concerns. So most people want to get something for him then get nothing at all.

You should be careful calling others stupid when you haven't thought every direction on those opinions. You seem to have tunnel vision, I suggest asking the question first and don't jump to people go stupid.

My tunnel vision is focused on winning now (while our QB is cheap). Focus on anything else, at this point, is stupid. Irving can play and he can play now. A 2nd round pick MIGHT pan out in a couple of years. You can have him. I'll take Irving.

Don't like it? Tough ****.

 

[Stash]

What running back won the season rushing title and the Super Bowl in the same year prior to 1992?

History does not dictate the future.

By the way, Emmitt did it in 1992, 1993, and 1995.

So you have no actual answer to the question then?

 

[TwoDeep3]

So you have no actual answer to the question then?

My apologies. I read that wrong, as if you meant it hasn't been done. Mia culpa.

 

[Ccijcladac]

You need to set the patient straight. Drop all of your "knowledge" on David Irving himself.

https://247sports.com/nfl/dallas-co...vere-concussion-led-to-car-accident-113091391

Set him straight!

Narratives are painted all the time, it's what this country is about because we have to attribute something to something. Even if u have to play into the narratives to hammer home these narratives. & Believe what u wish, I can't do anything about what you believe. I'm telling you what's real& in this P.C world we occupy space & time in u don't necessarily get real....that's a convenient.. we'll call it a charade for the masses to think a way in that particular organization would like u to believe. You've proven to me once u said " Why would the team do that"...as if this team/organization has some rhyme to reason of why they do what they do. It's not about football homie & that I know.... good debate...no hard feelings...u just come across as one of those people who believe Politicians aren't lying & the government doesn't lie..& Kennedy was assassinated by that crazed gunman Oswald & people like that who believe stuff like that. I see how they have pushed these propagandas for the regulars to follow. ..u fit right in line with that thinking.,,but go ahead tho....ur one smart cookie

 

[Stash]

Narratives are painted all the time, it's what this country is about because we have to attribute something to something. Even if u have to play into the narratives to hammer home these narratives. & Believe what u wish, I can't do anything about what you believe. I'm telling you what's real& in this P.C world we occupy space & time in u don't necessarily get real....that's a convenient.. we'll call it a charade for the masses to think a way in that particular organization would like u to believe. You've proven to me once u said " Why would the team do that"...as if this team/organization has some rhyme to reason of why they do what they do. It's not about football homie & that I know.... good debate...no hard feelings...u just come across as one of those people who believe Politicians aren't lying & the government doesn't lie..& Kennedy was assassinated by that crazed gunman Oswald & people like that who believe stuff like that. I see how they have pushed these propagandas for the regulars to follow. ..u fit right in line with that thinking.,,but go ahead tho....ur one smart cookie

 

[Daillest88]

Better put Zeke on the trade market!

 

[Irvin88_4life]

My tunnel vision is focused on winning now (while our QB is cheap). Focus on anything else, at this point, is stupid. Irving can play and he can play now. A 2nd round pick MIGHT pan out in a couple of years. You can have him. I'll take Irving.

Don't like it? Tough ****.

You missed the point again. Not sure what your problem is but by your responses you have said built up anger issues.

Sure he can play now...... Until he is suspended again. Having a player with character concerns is a troubles in the locker room.

Zeke can play now but what good did that do when he was suspended 6 games.

Also the team gets a chance to match any offer another team may give Irving. Just because he has a 2nd round tender doesn't mean he is gone without a chance to match.

Calling someone stupid cause you have tunnel vision and no ability to look at other people's opinions shows your character.

 

[Daillest88]

You missed the point again. Not sure what your problem is but by your responses you have said built up anger issues.

Sure he can play now...... Until he is suspended again. Having a player with character concerns is a troubles in the locker room.

Zeke can play now but what good did that do when he was suspended 6 games.

Also the team gets a chance to match any offer another team may give Irving. Just because he has a 2nd round tender doesn't mean he is gone without a chance to match.

Calling someone stupid cause you have tunnel vision and no ability to look at other people's opinions shows your character.

 

[Ccijcladac]

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No conspiracy, believe as u wish but don't be fooled..& on another note when men debate they don't refer to pictures, drawings& graphs& memes& ish..naw all that is what "............."do..& I'm definitely one of XY chromosome members, it's different on this side patner:;'-))

 

[cern]

Lots of conjecture about a lot of highly unlikely scenarios. As for eberflus, I can only equate his presumed coaching genius to the play of our linebacking corp during his tenure here. Ergo, average. Not sure he's all many think he is.

 

[Proof]

The FO indifference to keeping Irving leads me to believe they know a lot we dont about him.

Nothing the FO does should ever lead you to believe they know a lot

 

[Q_the_man]

Anyone who is excited about gaining a 2nd round pick for a guy that's already productive (he had better numbers than Suh last year even with the suspension) her so that we can draft a "maybe" is a fool. We drafted Taco in the 1st last year and I'd take Irving over him 100 times out of 100.

Some people see a draft pick and they go stupid.

He didn't have better numbers than Suh, he might of had more sacks but not better numbers. For even money I would expect 100% of NFL GMs to pick Suh over Irving.

Sacks matter but so does QB hurries.

Irving is expendable and here's why. He would be an unrestricted free agent after the season and if he gets 10 sacks and Lawrence gets 14 sacks we would have to overpay for 1 and franchise the other and I don't view Irving as top tier franchise money, therefore a 2nd would be great especially if it was #36, 4 picks from the first round. We could do a lot with #19, #36, #50. Then try to package Crawford, Williams and a 4th for somebody's 3rd (likely impossible but possible)

 

[skinsscalper]

You missed the point again. Not sure what your problem is but by your responses you have said built up anger issues.

Sure he can play now...... Until he is suspended again. Having a player with character concerns is a troubles in the locker room.

Zeke can play now but what good did that do when he was suspended 6 games.

Also the team gets a chance to match any offer another team may give Irving. Just because he has a 2nd round tender doesn't mean he is gone without a chance to match.

Calling someone stupid cause you have tunnel vision and no ability to look at other people's opinions shows your character.

My point is that the Cowboys are in the enviable position of having at least one (Elliott) and possibly two (Dak if he regains his 2016 form) MVP caliber players playing on very cheap contracts. It's a window of opportunity to actually go after a championship if they play the FA/tag game smart. I don't deny that Irving comes with it's own risks. For now, it's a one year deal. For the next (at least) 2 years we have to go into EVERY season with a win now mentality.

There's not a single 2nd round player in this draft (or any in recent memory) that produced a player that put up numbers like Irving in year one or two. NOT ONE. So, yes, when someone gets excited about less production when we are working with such a small window, I see it as stupid. Call me kooky.

It's like trying to rationalize trading in your 2016 F150 4X4 for a 2018 (yet to be named) economy sedan just because someone is willing to trade you straight up. Never mind the fact that you will actually need that 4X4 at several points in the year and the sedan MIGHT have an all-wheel drive upgrade (but no promises). Sound smart to you? If so then there's no reason to continue the conversation.

 

[Proof]

Maybe they wanna see what he does for a full season...ie like DLAW...meaning PROVE YOU CAN STAY ON THE FIELD/HEALTHY. Its a double edged sword. I don't fault them for waiting and seeing what he does in a contract year.Its good business.

Dudes obviously unhappy over being stuck on such a low contract as is. The tender is a substantial raise but still peanuts relative to what he can do and/or stands to make soon. Coming off a couple hundred k contract and with the leverage of the tender year was the perfect time to sign him to a deal that was smart for the team. And if you’re so concerned with him long term a reasonable deal makes him even easier to trade.

Team is dumb

 

[Stash]

No conspiracy, believe as u wish but don't be fooled..& on another note when men debate they don't refer to pictures, drawings& graphs& memes& ish..naw all that is what "............."do..& I'm definitely one of XY chromosome members, it's different on this side patner:;'-))

The illiterate side?

 

[skinsscalper]

He didn't have better numbers than Suh, he might of had more sacks but not better numbers. For even money I would expect 100% of NFL GMs to pick Suh over Irving.

Sacks matter but so does QB hurries.

Irving is expendable and here's why. He would be an unrestricted free agent after the season and if he gets 10 sacks and Lawrence gets 14 sacks we would have to overpay for 1 and franchise the other and I don't view Irving as top tier franchise money, therefore a 2nd would be great especially if it was #36, 4 picks from the first round. We could do a lot with #19, #36, #50. Then try to package Crawford, Williams and a 4th for somebody's 3rd (likely impossible but possible)

We could also re-structure some players, come to a long term deal with Lawrence, and franchise Irving next season if his play warranted it. There's more than one way to skin a cat. BTW, name me the last player that was drafted in the 2nd round that would/has had the same impact as Irving? I'm not trying to be trite. It's an honest question.

This time of year EVERYONE seems to be willing to trade off what they know for a shiny new draft pick. Draft picks are so coveted at this time of year that fans are pissing themselves to get another one so they can subsequently ***** about who we picked with it. I can hear it now: "We gave up Irving to draft THAT turd"? That is an absolute lock.

Meanwhile Irving goes to Indianapolis to the tune of 9 sacks and we still can't stop the run or generate any pressure from the inside because we're waiting on "the process" of our 2nd rounder to learn how to play the position. Weird.

 

[Proof]

My point is that the Cowboys are in the enviable position of having at least one (Elliott) and possibly two (Dak if he regains his 2016 form) MVP caliber players playing on very cheap contracts. It's a window of opportunity to actually go after a championship if they play the FA/tag game smart. I don't deny that Irving comes with it's own risks. For now, it's a one year deal. For the next (at least) 2 years we have to go into EVERY season with a win now mentality.

There's not a single 2nd round player in this draft (or any in recent memory) that produced a player that put up numbers like Irving in year one or two. NOT ONE. So, yes, when someone gets excited about less production when we are working with such a small window, I see it as stupid. Call me kooky.

It's like trying to rationalize trading in your 2016 F150 4X4 for a 2018 (yet to be named) economy sedan just because someone is willing to trade you straight up. Never mind the fact that you will actually need that 4X4 at several points in the year and the sedan MIGHT have an all-wheel drive upgrade (but no promises). Sound smart to you? If so then there's no reason to continue the conversation.

Zeke contract isn’t really cheap though, which is another point. They invested the highest pick they have had in 25 odd years on a player/position that doesn’t cost much at the top end of the scale.

He’s a great player, but given our cap issues in general you’d think that they’d make moves (other than sitting out FA or letting players walk) that could help there. Instead they spend 3 and 32 on the cheapest to replace position and a player that can’t contribute a year at best.

They’re dumb

 

[cern]

All irving needs to do to get the big bucks is perform like Lawrence did last year. Suffer thru the indignation of a few million over the next few months and cash in big time next year. The ball's in his court. Earn it.

 

[Ccijcladac]

The illiterate side?

Yeah..Coming from this guy:;'-)) ha...man we have parameters & uhhhh let's just say we'll stay within em:;'-)

 

[skinsscalper]

Zeke contract isn’t really cheap though, which is another point. They invested the highest pick they have had in 25 odd years on a player/position that doesn’t cost much at the top end of the scale.

He’s a great player, but given our cap issues in general you’d think that they’d make moves (other than sitting out FA or letting players walk) that could help there. Instead they spend 3 and 32 on the cheapest to replace position and a player that can’t contribute a year at best.

They’re dumb

Considering what Elliott is going to cost on the open FA market (3 years from now, mind you, when those numbers will sky rocket) he's pretty cheap (relatively speaking). Look at the Bell situation, right now. How much you think Gurley is going to command on an open market. How about Fournette?