Calling all Dez haters (Performance Film Study)

Aviano90

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Lmao.. That's funny.

Don't forget he's grinding.
Ragging on Dez is easy. He gives us so much ammunition and we haven't won jack crap with him to offset any of the negatives. He's part of the stat collecting losing era that typically comes up small when it matters most.
 

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I honestly think it goes down as Hurns will get more looks.

And this is precisely why I really don't want Dez here, even if he takes a substantial pay cut. And how will he react to not getting force-fed the ball?
Don't worry, it will be on Twitter.
 

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You don't define me. Period. I watched the video twice. Great video. Now were these all the last full year of Romo? Because his stats suggest he's lost something. I despise stats. Because they are not the unvarnished truth. Stats can say what you want them to. Just like D Hall's comments on Dez and the narrator adding a graphic that D Hall lied.

Now you trundle over to YouTube and find the highlights of his first year and tell me Dez runs at that same speed. If you say so, then your vast football IQ you believe you have needs an attitude adjustment.

The advantage playing with Romo is it was always sandlot. Dez didn't need to be accurate in his routes because Romo was great at allowing plays to develop while buying time and anticipate when the defender could no longer cover and Dez would get open.

So you may think what you like about me. But your opinion means nothing. Because everyone has an opinion here. And I see no yardage in an exchange with someone who wants to argue and put people down.

We're done.

Yeah. It's usually personal with him if he doesn't agree with you. It's an exercise in futility to attempt to have a reasonable conversation with him. It always goes down the same path.
 

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Ragging on Dez is easy. He gives us so much ammunition and we haven't won jack crap with him to offset any of the negatives. He's part of the stat collecting losing era that typically comes up small when it matters most.
Wait a minute. Dez has the glitch?
 

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I've been reading what he writes for about 3 years, and I've found it's not worth reading. My conclusion is not based on this single instance, which you prolly didn't know. And anyone who completely bashes one player to anoint theirs is generally not worth listening to.

Apologize for throwing out an unnecessary insult w/o understanding the entire situation.

You see, I'm not a Dez hater nor am I a Dak lover. I see the fleas on both and I'm always more than willing to have a discussion concerning the details. In this instance, there is no discussing w/ Pappy/DerrickHenry(one of his names on the old board). There's no back and forth, there's no quality exchanging of facts and ideas. Yes, I do know you don't find a lot of that anyway!!!!!!!!

So, I decline.

In the old days back in Boys.com you would just ban us as you are a Dak lover and refuse to discuss his short comings as you package Dak as the next best thing since to apple pie. I have no problem with us disagreeing on Dak but saying we're ignorant or blinded by hate to avoid supporting and responding why Dak is the next best thing since apple pie is well cop out as your blind support for no 4 has been evident for years now.

Does Dak in your opinion have issues with the following and what role will the below play in our WR performance?

Poor Footwork
Poor Pocket awareness
Poor timing on when to release the ball.
Poor decision making.
Poor Accuracy.
Poor Leadership.
Poor reads on defense.
Poor downfield vision.
Deer in the headlight syndrome when pressured.
Poor heart as always opting to throw the "safe" dink and dunk pass.
and many more.....
 

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Yeah. It's usually personal with him if he doesn't agree with you. It's an exercise in futility to attempt to have a reasonable conversation with him. It always goes down the same path.
"Ya but the OP is a genius analyst."
 

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In the old days back in Boys.com you would just ban us as you are a Dak lover and refuse to discuss his short comings as you package Dak as the next best thing since to apple pie. I have no problem with us disagreeing on Dak but saying we're ignorant or blinded by hate to avoid supporting and responding why Dak is the next best thing since apple pie is well cop out as you support for no 4 has been evident for years now.

Does Dak in your opinion have issues with the following and what role will the below play in our WR performance?

Poor Footwork
Poor Pocket awareness
Poor timing on when to release the ball.
Poor decision making.
Poor Accuracy.
Poor Leadership.
Poor reads on defense.
Poor downfield vision.
Deer in the headlight syndrome when pressured.
Poor heart as always opting to throw the "safe" dink and dunk pass.
and many more.....
No.
 

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In the old days back in Boys.com you would just ban us as you are a Dak lover and refuse to discuss his short comings as you package Dak as the next best thing since to apple pie. I have no problem with us disagreeing on Dak but saying we're ignorant or blinded by hate to avoid supporting and responding why Dak is the next best thing since apple pie is well cop out as your blind support for no 4 has been evident for years now.

Does Dak in your opinion have issues with the following and what role will the below play in our WR performance?

Poor Footwork
Poor Pocket awareness
Poor timing on when to release the ball.
Poor decision making.
Poor Accuracy.
Poor Leadership.
Poor reads on defense.
Poor downfield vision.
Deer in the headlight syndrome when pressured.
Poor heart as always opting to throw the "safe" dink and dunk pass.
and many more.....

I think it's fair to criticize Dak for his play last year. But man, that's quite a list there. Do you really believe all of that or are you just poking that dog with a stick? Lol
 

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Wait a minute. Dez has the glitch?
He was on a milk carton after the 2014 playoffs as Twill stepped up and was the man. He didn't have a good playoff game until he got to play a banged up GB secondary. He's not clutch.
 
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He was on a milk carton after the 2014 playoffs as Twill stepped up and was the man. He didn't have a good playoff game until he got to play a banged up GB secondary. He's not clutch.

The last game he played decent that I recall was that Green Bay game against high school DBs. Other than that he has been MIA for an eternity.
 

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I am not indifferent regarding dez. He plays scared now. He's always been a poor route runner but elite athleticism made him the master of contested balls. But not anymore. Injuries have taken their toll on him physically and mentally. I suppose the fo thinks they're being coy by holding on to him for the present so as not to play their hand for the draft. But if ridley's there at 19 (unless we move up for him) We'll be on him like a chicken on a June bug.
I don't think it's wise to use the 1st round pick on Ridley, as he's not projected as a true #1 being a smaller dude. I think they need a solid plan to release Dez this season. The one suggestion I've seen so far (@BlindFaith) was to take the hiccup it may cause to the offense, by using Hurns as the #1 reciever, and then drafting a reciever in the 3rd round.

I personally think if they cut Dez, they should trade some later round picks to get another 2nd round pick, to draft a reciever who has potential to develop into a #1 reciever. That way they could also use a couple top picks for DT, LB, S or OL. I still think it's best to keep Dez, to see if he and Dak gel this season, though.
 
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Does Dak in your opinion have issues with the following and what role will the below play in our WR performance?

Poor Footwork
Poor Pocket awareness
Poor timing on when to release the ball.
Poor decision making.
Poor Accuracy.
Poor Leadership.
Poor reads on defense.
Poor downfield vision.
Deer in the headlight syndrome when pressured.
Poor heart as always opting to throw the "safe" dink and dunk pass.
and many more.....

Right now Prescott is the best QB on the roster and yes his stats were not as good in 2017 as they were in 2016. But your obvious hatred of Prescott has made you so make some errors such as one of the first things that the players said about Prescott from just about his 1st game was his leadership and how he took control of the huddle like a seasoned veteran. His rookie year he ended with a passer rating of 104.9 which begs to differ on you poor accuracy. His pocket awareness well he was sacked only 25 times in all of 2016 which puts in in the top 1/3 of least sacked starting QB's for 2016. His decision making where he set 2 NFL records as a rookie. 1st one was the most completions by a rookie QB without a pick and the second one was least number of picks for a season for a rookie. I think that's pretty good decision making. His down field vision, well he had one of the best completion percentages on pass over 20 yards in the league in 2016. Your deer in the headlights might be true if he was one of the most sacked QB's but he wasn't so I think that's a little more of your hating exaggerations. And your poor heart was nothing more than protecting the ball and not forcing it into tight coverage down field.

Now there are some possible legit sound reasons for at least some of the drop in stats for 2017. To start out with, most Cowboys fans don't want to read this but the 2017 line was not as good as 2016. There was a 40% change for the entire season and for the better part of 5 games there was a 60% change from 2016. That means that only Freddy and Martin where the only linemen that played in the same positions as in 2016. Then without Elliott for 6 games teams didn't crowd the line to stop him which allowed them to have more in coverage which then made it harder for Prescott. Now lets also throw in all of the drops by Bryant and even Beasley had more drops in 2017 than he ever had in any season.

Now if the line ever gets back to 2016 playing and with Elliott back and if receivers don't drop balls or in Bryant's case of a couple of times letting the ball go right through his hands into a defenders hand and then if Prescott's play doesn't improve over last season then maybe 2016 was a fluke. But we'll have to wait to see and it's way way way to early to throw Prescott under the bus.
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I don't think it's wise to use the 1st round pick on Ridley, as he's not projected as a true #1 being a smaller dude. I think they need a solid plan to release Dez this season. The one suggestion I've seen so far (@BlindFaith) was to take the hiccup it may cause to the offense, by using Hurns as the #1 reciever, and then drafting a reciever in the 3rd round.

I personally think if they cut Dez, they should trade some later round picks to get another 2nd round pick, to draft a reciever who has potential to develop into a #1 reciever. That way they could also use a couple top picks for DT, LB, S or OL. I still think it's best to keep Dez, to see if he and Dak gel this season, though.

I think this whole notion of what a #1 receiver is ....is sort of an antiquated silly point of view. Antonio Brown, Steve Smith, Steve Largent, and Jerry Rice for that matter would not have been listed as #1 receivers when they were drafted. Inside/outside, whatever, it's about production.

It's a bit absurd to think we cant get a great receiver anywhere in the draft. Beasley was undrafted and most would say at this point he is far better than Dez. Miles Austin was an undrafted free agent.

We do not need to feel pressured to draft a wideout early. Hurns is already better than Dez. So is Beasley. Hell Thompson may be better than Dez too. It's not hard to replace his production the last 3 years. He has been almost a bum.
 

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I don't think it's wise to use the 1st round pick on Ridley, as he's not projected as a true #1 being a smaller dude. I think they need a solid plan to release Dez this season. The one suggestion I've seen so far (@BlindFaith) was to take the hiccup it may cause to the offense, by using Hurns as the #1 reciever, and then drafting a reciever in the 3rd round.

I personally think if they cut Dez, they should trade some later round picks to get another 2nd round pick, to draft a reciever who has potential to develop into a #1 reciever. That way they could also use a couple top picks for DT, LB, S or OL. I still think it's best to keep Dez, to see if he and Dak gel this season, though.

Two years of sucking with Dak is enough. Dez needs to go.
 

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The only guys who matter on the Dez Sucks train are Jerry and Stephen. Stephen seems to have boarded the train with ticket in hand. Jerry seems to be sauntering over toward the boarding gate. Dez appologists are chewing their fingernails like an old tyme typewriter. Lol
Can you call your shot now on who your next whipping boy is? My guess is T Smith or Elliott
 

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Can you call your shot now on who your next whipping boy is? My guess is T Smith or Elliott

Right now it's:

1. Dez.
2. Witten is a distant second.

I really don't have that much of a problem with the rest of the team. I'm not even as down on Jerry or Red Ball as most of you guys are. I can see the pros and cons on everyone else. The jury is still out on the rest of the team.

The Jury came back on Dez and Witten a long time ago. Too many are just shocked at the verdict and don't like it!!
 
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