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[LACowboysFan1]

If you agree in allowing Prescott more time to develop his passing skills then we agree.

That's what I said, so we don't disagree on that. On Aikman it's a matter of degree, no salary cap back then so the team could re-build quicker, but that also meant a lot of new people, takes time to get an offense in sync so that might account for some of Aikman's high int rate his second year...

 

[gjkoeppen]

That's what I said, so we don't disagree on that. On Aikman it's a matter of degree, no salary cap back then so the team could re-build quicker, but that also meant a lot of new people, takes time to get an offense in sync so that might account for some of Aikman's high int rate his second year...

I heard Aikman while doing a game for FOX where after Stafford threw a pick that picks are a good barometer for a QB's accuracy. He said it's not conclusive but QB's that throw a lot of picks generally have an accuracy problem or is forcing the ball where it shouldn't go.
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[TheMarathonContinues]

Completely? Let's compare starters:

2014 2018
O-line - Smith, Leary, Frederick, Martin, Free Smith, tbd, Frederick, Martin, Collins
Tight end - Witten and Hanna Witten and Hanna
Receivers - Dez, Williams Dez, Williams
Running back - Murray Elliot

Only left guard, right tackle and running back is different. And Collins is about as good as Free was (better if you are one of the many Free haters), Zeke is at least as good as Murray was.

And the same head coach and offensive coordinator.

Not a really different team...

Running back is different, Dez is no longer in his prime or at least doesn't play like he is, Witten is no longer in his prime, Free is gone, Leary is gone, Romo is gone, Parnell is gone, Bruce Carter is gone, Hitchens is gone, Rolando McClain is gone, Terrell McClain and Mincey are gone, Anthony Spencer is gone, Claiborne, Scandrick, Carr, Church..........

 

[Keithfansince5]

Actually it shows that you have a comprehension problem since I've CLEARLY stated that I DON'T THINK Prescott is better than Aikman. All I've done is compare both QB's first 2 seasons and the numbers for Prescott's are much much much better than Aikman's. Aikman went on to become one of the league's most accurate passers for his time but he wasn't his fist 2 seasons. Since Prescott as a rookie was NFL rookie of the year, had a 104.9 passer rating, a 13-3 record and comparatively bad numbers his second season, it's way way way way to early to proclaim Prescott as a bad QB or suggest that he needs to be replaced. Where would the Cowboys 90's teams have been if the Cowboys did what some here want to do after Prescott's 2nd season and just moved on from Aikman after 2 less than stellar seasons? That's why fans aren't GM's.
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The irony of a guy calling me out for my lack of comprehension by claiming something I never said. How pathetic. Maybe you should bone up on your comprehension skills before you accuse me of mine.

So to help you here is what I said:

"Amazing how in your mind Aikman was less accurate than Dak."

Here is your lack of comprehension:

"CLEARLY stated that I DON'T THINK Prescott is better than Aikman."

Nowhere in my post appears the word better. So, i never said you claimed Dak better just more accurate. They are not one in the same.

Next time slow down when reading a post and let it sink in a bit before you respond. It will help your comprehension improve.

Class dismissed

 

[Keithfansince5]

Where did I say that? I've already said months ago that I thought this year was the one we'd be able to make a better determination of how good he can be...

It is his lack of comprehension getting in the way again. He reads things that are not there. Forgive him.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

We actually had the 8th worst graded wr corps last year.

You rely on PFF's subjective grades way too much.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Next Gen Stats defines a "tight-window throw" as a throw where the intended receiver had less than a yard of separation from the defender.

According to NFL.com, a tight window is defined as a throw where the intended receiver had less than a yard of separation from the defender.

That appears to be the most common definition...

And it completely disregards a QBs ability to read defenses. The reason why the dozen QBs with better rating than him aren't on the list is because they don't throw into coverage.

 

[Hennessy_King]

You rely on PFF's subjective grades way too much.

And my eyes. I guess it's just coincidence that they grade them that poorly and yet we are targeting a wr in the draft and free agency. Even offered sammy watkins a huge deal. But i guess according to you our WR corp is fine.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And my eyes. I guess it's just coincidence that they grade them that poorly and yet we are targeting a wr in the draft and free agency. Even offered sammy watkins a huge deal. But i guess according to you our WR corp is fine.

You never seem to talk about football as it is played on the field and instead go for PFF and pundits opinions.

 

[Hennessy_King]

You never seem to talk about football as it is played on the field and instead go for PFF and pundits opinions.

I saw the receivers did not play well last year. And definitely did dak zero favors. And thought we needed to improve our receiving core at the end of the season. It's not my fault the pff grades, stats, and pundits tend to agree with me.

On the old forums I was hoping they would let t will walk and sign a different wr

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I saw the receivers did not play well last year. And definitely did dak zero favors. And thought we needed to improve our receiving core at the end of the season. It's not my fault the pff grades, stats, and pundits tend to agree with me.

On the old forums I was hoping they would let t will walk and sign a different wr

And none of that is talking about how football is played on the field.

 

[Hennessy_King]

And none of that is talking about how football is played on the field.

How is that? our receivers struggled to get open last season when the defenses crowded the box to take away the middle of the field and the run game.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

How is that? our receivers struggled to get open last season when the defenses crowded the box to take away the middle of the field and the run game.

Sometimes sure. Just like sometimes Dak failed to read open receivers and get them the ball.

As for PFF grades, you know they don't have all-22 for doing their grading right? IOW they cannot see many routes.

 

[BlindFaith]

Sometimes sure. Just like sometimes Dak failed to read open receivers and get them the ball.

As for PFF grades, you know they don't have all-22 for doing their grading right? IOW they cannot see many routes.

Wrong.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/pff-player-grades

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Wrong.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/pff-player-grades

You should read that again. All-22 is part of the review process but not how the grades are made. If you know anything about how QC is done you would realize the difference.

 

[BlindFaith]

You should read that again. All-22 is part of the review process but not how the grades are made. If you know anything about how QC is done you would realize the difference.

You said they didn't use All-22. They do. Who cares if it's during the first analysis or a review. And do you know for a fact that none of the 300-plus staff doing the preliminary analysis or any of the Senior analysts who review those or any of current and former NFL coaches who review those - don't use it?

And I work with QA on a daily basis.

 

[Haimerej]

So you don't believe a stat that shows the receiver has less than 1 yard of separation should be counted as a small window throw? I don't understand. If I remember from the old site weren't you always riding romo's nuts? Could also explain why you don't care about this stat.

Sorry. Got busy with life.

I'm not sure what point you're struggling with. I explained what I had always considered a small window- i.e. the windows you find in zone coverages. Now a window is one guy in man coverage who is close to the receiver for the purposes of this new stat. Well, that's not on the receiver necessarily for the reason I stated. It is therefore not an indication of accuracy.

Regarding the Romo comment- I have never even seen the man's scrotum, much less cozied upon it. I call things as I see them. I apologize if I'm not clearly communicating the words that I'm typing. Others seem to grasp my point. Perhaps a reread will help you understand.

 

[Haimerej]

Then I guess you think all stats have flaws? Stats are nothing more than numbers derived from what players do or don't do.
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Stats tell only part of the story. They have their place. But on the stat sheet a 3 yard carry where the back chose the wrong hole is the same as a 3 yard carry where the center was blown up and a guy was hit 2 yards deep yet pushes/jukes his way to 3 yards.

 

[Haimerej]

"I've always defined tight window throws as hitting a guy between two defenders in a tight zone"

"To me, a tight window throw is one where a DB/LB is in the hip pocket of the intended target."

If we're all going to get to have our own definition of a tight window throw then there's no way we will ever be able to agree if Dak can hit "tight window" throws...

Good point. But I think I make a valid criticism of the stat's inability to gauge the accuracy of a throw. It could actually more reflect the receiver's ability to make a contested catch.

 

[Haimerej]

Gee I'm sorry that YOUR definition is different that the professional stat people's definition. Again I think your definition is the definition propagated by fans.
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That's fine. Nothing to be sorry about.

People have different views. The world is a crazy place bro.