Jalen Ramsey over Zeke

[PAPPYDOG]

All thing equal give me Ramsey but for Dallas I don’t know where we would be without Zeke.

Zeke makes Dak a completely different player.

Without the Zeke PA pass Dak couldn't complete 50% of his passes...i mean lets be real here all defense fear Zeke no so much or not at all when it pertains to DAK....

 

[beware_d-ware]

I'm not even judging Ramsey vs Zeke. After year 2, Shawne Merriman looked way better than Demarcus Ware.

 

[Plumfool]

For this team and at the time, Zeke was the right choice.

 

[jnday]

Ramsey was the right pick at #4.

DBs can not impact a team like a top RB. Deion may be the one exception, but Ramsey would not ever impacted games the way Zeke has.

 

[plasticman]

The Patriots sweat that same question every off season............... and whose gonna run the ball in philly??? Oh my god they are screwed!

Not all offensive lines are the same even if they are regarded as a strong unit. and the Eagle defense had just as much to do in their success as their offense.

The Cowboy line is built to dominate on the ground and changing to a passing offense would neutralize their strength. This was pretty much the story of the devastating 2010 season. Guys like Columbo, Flozell, and Davis were not built to pass block 70% of the time.

In fact,both Romo and Dez enjoyed their finest seasons in 2014 when the focus of the offense was on a record breaking running attack and Romo threw the fewest passes per game for a season in his career. It was the only time he was the #1 rated QB for a season.And then Jerry wrongly evaluates the cause of this success, overpays Dez, destroys any possible remaining career for Romo through overexposure and runs his best player that season out of town with an insulting lowball offer.

The Cowboys would not have drafted Zeke had this line not already been in place.Under these circumstances, Zeke was the right choice.

 

[Idgit]

DBs can not impact a team like a top RB. Deion may be the one exception, but Ramsey would not ever impacted games the way Zeke has.

DBs can play into their 30s, and it's harder to find them in the lower rounds of the draft. Whereas impact running backs can even sometimes be found outside the top 100 of a given draft, and definitely outside the first and second rounds.

Plus, Ramsey hasn't been suspended yet. He was a possible fit at both CB and S going into a season where we had Carr, Claiborne, Church, and Wilcox all leaving in FA the following season. If we didn't hit lightening in a bottle with Anthony Brown, who knows where we'd have been in the defensive backfield in 2016. It ended up costing us in the playoffs, anyway.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

LLLOOLLL

 

[buybuydandavis]

If Dallas went with Jalen Ramsey instead of Zeke in the draft two years ago are Romo and Dez still here? Does Dak look just as good in his rookie year? My opinion, Dak shows some promise but Romo is still the guy when he comes back from injury.

Which would be ironic, because, IMO, Zeke was picked over Ramsey to make the most of the Romo Window.

 

[buybuydandavis]

So Romo cost the team yet again by trying to play hero on the 3rd play of a preseason game after just missing most of the season before? Thanks, Pepperoni!!

Even before the hit, I'm shrieking "NOOOOO!".

Which told me something about my belief in the durability of Romo even before the hit. And he looked pretty horrible on that "run" too. Like a guy limited by injury.

 

[GMO415]

All thing equal give me Ramsey but for Dallas I don’t know where we would be without Zeke.

Zeke makes Dak a completely different player.

EzE and Dak are fefdefinit the Dynamic Duo......Dez was the Joker.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Ramsey was the smart pick. We went with the flashy pick.

Decision will have far reaching consequences for years to come.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Ramsey was the smart pick. We went with the flashy pick.

We went with the pick to maximize the Romo Window, not long term value.

Which I was fine with at the time, realizing the trade off. In hindsight, knowing Romo broke down and did not play again, I'd prefer Ramsey, but that doesn't change my opinion of the choice at the time.

 

[jnday]

DBs can play into their 30s, and it's harder to find them in the lower rounds of the draft. Whereas impact running backs can even sometimes be found outside the top 100 of a given draft, and definitely outside the first and second rounds.

Plus, Ramsey hasn't been suspended yet. He was a possible fit at both CB and S going into a season where we had Carr, Claiborne, Church, and Wilcox all leaving in FA the following season. If we didn't hit lightening in a bottle with Anthony Brown, who knows where we'd have been in the defensive backfield in 2016. It ended up costing us in the playoffs, anyway.

There wouldn't have been a playoff appearance without Zeke. Deion in his prime couldn't have got the team to the playoffs that year without Zeke's output. I do think the suspension was the biggest joke ever. Goodwill screwed Zeke. You can look at it a lot of ways. There has been many good DBs found in the late rounds which can be said about any position.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

We went with the pick to maximize the Romo Window, not long term value.

Which I was fine with at the time, realizing the trade off. In hindsight, knowing Romo broke down and did not play again, I'd prefer Ramsey, but that doesn't change my opinion of the choice at the time.

Pretty sure Ramsey would have helped this team win. In fact the worst thing we ever did for Romo was not field consistently better defenses.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

There wouldn't have been a playoff appearance without Zeke. Deion in his prime couldn't have got the team to the playoffs that year without Zeke's output. I do think the suspension was the biggest joke ever. Goodwill screwed Zeke. You can look at it a lot of ways. There has been many good DBs found in the late rounds which can be said about any position.

This is just gobbledygook.

Just as Zeke's absence showed us last year we would have been a strong running team especially if Romo is our QB putting us in strong situations with or without Zeke. One need look only at what Murray did to realize we didnt need to spend the 4 to have a strong ground game.

Its simply a nonsense argument.

 

[Idgit]

There wouldn't have been a playoff appearance without Zeke. Deion in his prime couldn't have got the team to the playoffs that year without Zeke's output. I do think the suspension was the biggest joke ever. Goodwill screwed Zeke. You can look at it a lot of ways. There has been many good DBs found in the late rounds which can be said about any position.

Elliott is a great player, no doubt. And yeah, he was railroaded. But that history was all part of his background heading into the draft, so it was something they had to take into account when making the pick.

It's water under the bridge, anyway. But give me the guy who plays the harder position to fill who's likely to play longer and who plays the position where we're going to be short 4 starters the next season every time. Especially since it's possible to find a Leveon Bell or a David Johnson or an Alvin Kamara or a Kareem Hunt outside the first round.

 

[tyke1doe]

How could anyone resist not re-taking Zeke...can you say Best HB in NFL!

I was squarely in favor of Zeke. But his conduct makes me re-think if we had to do it over again, would I take Ramsey instead. Zeke is one misstep from a year-long ban.

 

[G2]

Romo Paradox.

 

[ConceptCoop]

How could anyone resist not re-taking Zeke...can you say Best HB in NFL!

He’s top 3 or 4. Bell, Gurley, and Johnson also have an argument.

Ramsey is top 3 or 4 as well. Except CB >>> RB.

 

[ConceptCoop]

I was squarely in favor of Zeke. But his conduct makes me re-think if we had to do it over again, would I take Ramsey instead. Zeke is one misstep from a year-long ban.

He’s one misstep from a permanent ban. There is no second strike for the DV program, currently.