PFF: Dez has seen a reduction in catchable targets

[G2]

He's about to see an even bigger drop in catchable targets if he doesn't sign somewhere soon.

Finally got separation

 

[Captain-Crash]

PFF: Dez has seen a reduction in catchable targets. the charts mean nothing.. Dak had the "glitch" and when you get the glitch you can't throw accurate. Did they figure in the glitch in on that chart, if not it's not legit. shesh

 

[Whyjerry]

Completely disagreee. I have these arguments all the time with people who have this logic. So Rice wasn't the best because he had Montana, or Irvin wast great because he had Aikman. Or flip it around and say the same things about the QB's. The game is a game of numbers, and they speak for themselves.

You are right and the numbers suggest the guy slipped. 28th in receiving yards last year. 51st the year before. Clearly he still has some off field issues as well. About to be 30. Big contract with declining production. Why do you argue the move?

 

[coult44]

You are right and the numbers suggest the guy slipped. 28th in receiving yards last year. 51st the year before. Clearly he still has some off field issues as well. About to be 30. Big contract with declining production. Why do you argue the move?

I dont completely. What I do argue is the way they handled it. It wasn't good for any of the parties involved. Not the team, not Dez, not the fans. Should have cut him a lot earlier and it doesn't hurt the organization at all. Players look at this and it really does influence future decisions. I also can't stand how people want to discredit what Dez did for the Cowboys. In the past 23 years there's hasn't been a lot of anything at all to cheer for. Romo was one, Ware was one Dez was one. On a team where nothing the FO does works out for the better or helps the team win , having a few stars is important.

 

[Whyjerry]

I dont completely. What I do argue is the way they handled it. It wasn't good for any of the parties involved. Not the team, not Dez, not the fans. Should have cut him a lot earlier and it doesn't hurt the organization at all. Players look at this and it really does influence future decisions. I also can't stand how people want to discredit what Dez did for the Cowboys. In the past 23 years there's hasn't been a lot of anything at all to cheer for. Romo was one, Ware was one Dez was one. On a team where nothing the FO does works out for the better or helps the team win , having a few stars is important.

You are probably right on that. To me, Dez should have been better. He should have grown up. Never did. Ware is a HOFer and is on a different level than Romo and Dez who were talented guys that ultimately could not get the team over the hump. I blame coaching and management more than the players. Believe me, no one wants to find something special about this franchise than me. Completely lost its luster. I feel your pain.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Wow, do you still care about Aikman Enmity or Irvin? I mean they are gone and never coming back.

I still care for all of them including Dez he gave is heart and soul for this team. And I appreciated that

And lets be clear on a few things about Dez Bryant. He was nothing compared to the guys you listed. Not even close. All 3 of those guys are HOF and ROH guys. Dez wont sniff either one.

And the heart and soul thing? Definitely don't agree. He did NOT put in the time to perfect his craft. He may have been an emotional wreck and wore his feelings on his leave, but that doesn't constitute commitment to the cause. After 8 years he is now finally hiring a route coach? Give me a break. And what did Dez do when he was franchised that one year? He skipped some of the offseason stuff and rebelled. What is Lawrence doing now? Being a great teammate and will show up for everything. Working his butt off and not complaining.

 

[percyhoward]

If you don't mind me asking, where are you getting throw away stats from? Thanks

Pro Football Focus

 

[Hoofbite]

Oh ty so much for that explanation.

Based on what I saw with my own eyes and the stat they put up. I almost believed them.

But now listening to your spin. I am convinced Dez sucks, can' run routes drops any and all passes. I mean Dak has to literally pass the ball so far up his *** or he'll just drop it.

Yeah you are right God bless the Dak long live the Dak.

Ps do you think Akoye posted this stat for PFF. (Between you and me that guy Akoye really has an agenda. He' so intelligent and well spoken but he just hates Dak)

Fan of Dak or fan of Dez. Doesn't matter, PFF still sucks. I wouldn't make an argument either way based on their proprietary stats.

 

[BlindFaith]

math does not add up, 112 tgs - 40 uncatchable = 72 catchable - 9 drops =63 catches

Dez had 69 catches last year...

Now ESPN has Dez targeted 133 times - 40 uncatchable (pff) = 93 catchable - 9 drops = 84 catches.

Yeah math still; does not add up.

Pretty sure math is not his strong suit.

 

[BlindFaith]

He didnt own the most drops. Julio had the most.

Look at percentage of drops to targets.

 

[percyhoward]

This has nothing to do with quarterback play or even if he was targeted on the play. Just the receiver vs man coverage and how successful he was on getting open.

That's an interesting set of data. But if Harmon had looked at the success of the plays, he probably wouldn't have recommended that Dez get more targets from the slot.

Dallas WR Slot Targets, 2017
Yards/Slot Target
Dez 3.9
others 6.5

Catch rate
Dez 46.4%
others 64.6%

Drop rate
Dez 27.8%
others 6.1%

from PFF

 

[BlindFaith]

Hmm tony used to spend tons of time during the off season coordinating throwing seasons with his receivers. Since I have not seen or heard the same thing about Dak I am going to assume he doesn't. Well that is until I see a tweet that he is working with a passing Guru.

https://www.all22.com/dallas-cowboys/dak-prescott-cowboys-teammates-training-camp
Dak Prescott willing to go anywhere to work with Cowboys WRs before camp

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

He sure has. He hasn't seen a single catchable ball thrown to him since last season. In breaking news, he may not get any balls thrown to him during the season either.

You're not going to get an argument from me that the QB play wasn't that good. It wasn't. From Romo, to Weeden, to Cassel, to Moore. They all sucked that year. You're the one who wants to come up with an excuse for Romo. I'm simply providing an excuse for Cassel becasue it's easy to find excuses. Excuses are in abundance.

In addition to the QBs sucking, Dez also sucked. Dez gave poor effort, didn't catch balls he should have caught, that weren't classified as drops which make them not "catchable" by PFF standards. For example, the jump ball that clanked off the his hands against Carolina in the end zone or the ball that went entirely through his arms like he was a field goal post against Seattle. Those would be "uncatchable" but should have been caught by a caliber of WR Dez was being paid to be. Dez has also given poor effort in going for some of these "uncatchable" balls looking for flags instead of battling for the ball.

Both QB play AND Dez's play have declined. It's not one or the other, it's both.

I can't help you with your oversimplified analysis i.e. "excuses."

It's reality.

Poor QB play leada to poor WR production.

If you can't grasp the basics you've done nothing to dispell the notion that Dez Haterz are collectively some of the sincerely dimly lit posters on the board.

 

[Verdict]

I can't help you with your oversimplified analysis i.e. "excuses."

It's reality.

Poor QB play leada to poor WR production.

If you can't grasp the basics you've done nothing to dispell the notion that Dez Haterz are collectively some of the sincerely dimly lit posters on the board.

If you are bashing me it just reinforces I am on the right track.

 

[Verdict]

Finally got separation

I'm so glad.

 

[charron]

Look at percentage of drops to targets.

I never said he didnt have a high % of drops vs targets but i havent looked at those specific numbers. Even then its misleading. Dez had 6 drops. Yall act like he drops a ton of passes.

 

[Aviano90]

I can't help you with your oversimplified analysis i.e. "excuses."

It's reality.

Poor QB play leada to poor WR production.

If you can't grasp the basics you've done nothing to dispell the notion that Dez Haterz are collectively some of the sincerely dimly lit posters on the board.

And I can’t help you with reading comprehension. Your teachers failed you. Well, they should have failed you.

 

[JoeKing]

Still lead the NFL in drops on the 60% of "catchable" balls he had.
These statistics don't mean squat.

Good to see someone else making this point besides me. Thank you.

 

[Bullflop]

Dez may have seen a reduction in catchable targets just like Dak has had less time to deliver the ball accurately to him!

It works both ways. Hopefully, the OL should get the needed depth and improvement in time to change that this season.

 

[G2]

Yep, the one thing fans say that defend Dez for a production loss is that it's all due to the QB's inaccuracies. However, not many QBs in their 2nd year are going to lights out amazing with the pocket collapsing and tons of pressure. I'd say considering the amount of hurries, Dak did OK. He's got work to do though.