The Herd - Rating Dak

[Hadenough]

I see so when Rodgers had a down year for him his 3rd season starting and other QB's, some that now have been backup QB's for several years, had better a season than Rodgers then going by your "latest info" that year you would have declared Rodgers no good even though the following years he had his usual seasons. The point here is both QB's have 2 seasons under their belts and Prescott clearly had the better year when they were rookies and Wentz had a better 2nd season but to say that Wentz is the better QB now with limited info is ridiculous. A very large part of your thinkng is the team the eagles won a super bowl and if you use that has your big comparison then Trent Dilfer was a better QB than Prescott but I'll bet you would be hard pressed to find a lot that will agree with that.
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My thoughts on Dak and Wentz were there in 2016 and have nothing to do with the Eagles winning a SB. I don't always look at stats, I use my eyes and even when Wentz had a struggle of a first season he was making incredible throws down field into tight windows and his WRs were dropping the ball. Dak in his down year had his WRs dropping the ball too but he wasn't making the difficult throws Wentz was making and he wasn't placing the ball as well as Wentz. So for Dallas to win they are going to have to keep everything simple for Dak and hope that it works and it did Daks first year and then defenses adjusted. To be honest I actually was surprised how things went bad for Dak so quick. I guess we're gonna find out a lot more about young Dak this season!

 

[BourbonBalz]

Marino’s rookie season was way better. You simply can’t compare the eras they played in. It’s so much easier to put up passing numbers in 2016 compared to over a quarter century ago. Marino also did not have nearly the supporting cast as a rook.

Oh really! You do realize Miami went to the Super Bowl in Marino’s second season, right? So, I’m pretty sure Miami had a pretty damned good team the previous year. Dak inherited a team that went 4-12 the previous season. Just admit you’re wrong because the facts prove it. Your agenda is showing.

 

[kskboys]

Oh really! You do realize Miami went to the Super Bowl in Marino’s second season, right? So, I’m pretty sure Miami had a pretty damned good team the previous year. Dak inherited a team that went 4-12 the previous season. Just admit you’re wrong because the facts prove it. Your agenda is showing.

They didn't.

 

[Scotman]

I know right.. lol...folks gotta stop reading too much into an innocent comment that gets said in May. lol...I'm still trying to understand how this is a negative...him saying he wants to be the best? I'm stunned folks wanna dissect this and make something bad out of it. Its plain dumb. Nothing to see here. Move along and get to steppin .lol

Can you imagine the fall out if he had said he wasn't hoping to be the best because it wasn't realistic?

 

[JW82]

They don't. See Luck and Cam.

Hey, I like Dak, dude has a great pocket presence and poise, not to mention a great attitude and work ethic. He quite simply has some things to correct. We're now building the team to suit him, we'll see!!!

No you see Luck and Cam and get back to me. As I said they stack up with any qb ever.

 

[DiResta]

 

[BourbonBalz]

They didn't.

You might want to actually know what you’re talking about before making a fool out of yourself. Never mind. Too late.

 

[JW82]

First 2 seasons. Give me Daks numbers over Cams or Lucks. 17 picks thru 2 seasons and probably half were off either dez or williams hands.

Newton 62/29
Dak 57/17
Luck 55/27

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Romo's analysis of Dak was spot-on. Dak sort of caught the league off-guard when he came in and started. Teams had 7-8 years of film of Romo, his tendencies, and how he ran the Cowboys offense. Dak, simply by being a different player, threw opposing teams a curve ball. Last year teams adjusted bracketing Beasley underneath and forcing Dak out of his comfort zone. Yes, there were other extenuating factors but Dak struggled unquestionably.

I'm pulling for Dak, but this thing is set up for him his third season and it's pivotal for his future here in Dallas that he takes his game to the next level. He's got to get better as a pocket passer to succeed in this league.

 

[starcity214]

You didn’t address my point. If he fell into such a great situation, why was he a roookie QB on a team coming off a 4-12 season?

The team under achieved and went 4-12 because the starting QB missed most of the season , and the starting pro bowl RB left in free agency after a 12 -4 season..

That team had talent.

Then you add a stud RB and that 2016 team would have probably gone farther than it did in 2016 with A veteran QB..

Also , the only reason he was starting as a rookie was because the two QBs ahead of him were injured.

 

[JW82]

Perception vs reality. Take a look at Newton and Lucks stats. Honestly, I knew how well Daks numbers compare through two seasons but when you look at their career numbers I think they will both surprise you as they did me and make you respect Dak more. Neither player is even a 60% completion qb. Dak is 65%. Aside from one great season the each had, Luck in 2014 and Cam in 2015 their numbers are real average.

 

[zerofill]

Perception vs reality. Take a look at Newton and Lucks stats. Honestly, I knew how well Daks numbers compare through two seasons but when you look at their career numbers I think they will both surprise you as they did me and make you respect Dak more. Neither player is even a 60% completion qb. Dak is 65%. Aside from one great season the each had, Luck in 2014 and Cam in 2015 their numbers are real average.

I've never thought Newton was very good... that is from watching him play, versus looking at his stats.

 

[JW82]

I've never thought Newton was very good... that is from watching him play, versus looking at his stats.

He’s pretty good. He was great one year.

 

[Zekeats]

It shouldn't get tore up i agree - Dak is Special i am glad we have him ! But people are gonna push whatever narrative they want ! I would even argue his Interceptions should even be lower, i personally remember 2 maybe 3 that bounced right off Dez's hands into the defenses lap.

I do not understand the dak animosity it is undeserved in my humble opinion and

for the record i am not getting into any Dak's arguments so no need to come back at me - believe what you want i will believe what i want LOL

for every 2-3 that bounced right of Dez there were 2-3 maybe more that bounced right off the defenders chest. Not a Dak hater just saying what I remember seeing.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I wonder why his passing was affected.

 

[HungryLion]

The team under achieved and went 4-12 because the starting QB missed most of the season , and the starting pro bowl RB left in free agency after a 12 -4 season..

That team had talent.

Then you add a stud RB and that 2016 team would have probably gone farther than it did in 2016 with A veteran QB..

Also , the only reason he was starting as a rookie was because the two QBs ahead of him were injured.

Why Dak became the starter is irrelevant to what kind of impact he had, once he did start. Ideally Dak would still be on the bench developing behind a healthy Romo. Unfortunately that just wasn’t possible.

The team did go to crap in 2015 because Romo was hurt and Murray left. You’re right and I’m glad you admit that.

That being said, the next season, the only difference from the 2014 offense that went 12-4 and the 2016 offense that went 13-3 was switching out Murray for Zeke and Romo for Dak.

That’s where you really have to make the comparison.

Now I believe Zeke is better than Murray. However, the production between the two was relatively the same.

Look at how Dak played versus how Romo played those two years. Dak’s stats were damn similar to Romo’s. Now I’m not saying Dak is better than Romo. He isn’t at this stage. And that’s not a knock on Dak but moreso respect to Tony.

However, look at how Dak’s play in 2016 stacked up under similar circumstances to tony’s 2014 play.

Dak’s play was right up there and the people who completely dismiss giving him any credit for that is just wrong. How can you say that 2016 offense was all Zeke and the OL. Yet in 2014 people wanted Romo
To win MVP when he has Murray and the OL.

 

[Jinxx13x]

for every 2-3 that bounced right of Dez there were 2-3 maybe more that bounced right off the defenders chest. Not a Dak hater just saying what I remember seeing.

I am sure there were probably

 

[PAPPYDOG]

I wonder why his passing was affected.

LOL...this guys has us listed as Dak haters on his posts to funny ...LOL..
Dak haters: JWooten, DFWJC, Heimerej, Kssboys, Joshjwp, Williebeaman, Treken32, Diehardblues, Dre11, DallasEast, SuperAnoya, PAPYDOG, HowardC, StarCity

Guess he will call the Dak Police to get us to believe in the new Tim Tebow(Dak) of the NFL.....


Anyway he wouldn't get sacked that often if he could maybe lead a WR to the ball or not need 6 sec minimal to decide where to throw the ball.............man you Dak-bots are in for a MAJOR let down come SEPT....Next please......Mr Rush,Mr White are you up for the task?????

 

[starcity214]

Why Dak became the starter is irrelevant to what kind of impact he had, once he did start. Ideally Dak would still be on the bench developing behind a healthy Romo. Unfortunately that just wasn’t possible.

The team did go to crap in 2015 because Romo was hurt and Murray left. You’re right and I’m glad you admit that.

That being said, the next season, the only difference from the 2014 offense that went 12-4 and the 2016 offense that went 13-3 was switching out Murray for Zeke and Romo for Dak.

That’s where you really have to make the comparison.

Now I believe Zeke is better than Murray. However, the production between the two was relatively the same.

Look at how Dak played versus how Romo played those two years. Dak’s stats were damn similar to Romo’s. Now I’m not saying Dak is better than Romo. He isn’t at this stage. And that’s not a knock on Dak but moreso respect to Tony.

However, look at how Dak’s play in 2016 stacked up under similar circumstances to tony’s 2014 play.

Dak’s play was right up there and the people who completely dismiss giving him any credit for that is just wrong. How can you say that 2016 offense was all Zeke and the OL. Yet in 2014 people wanted Romo
To win MVP when he has Murray and the OL.

In 2014 , Murray and the Offensive line as a group were the MVPs..

What's this fixation people have with giving QBs all the awards?

In 2014 , Romo was not the MVP of our team.

Here's the thing , Romo consistently put up great seasons , even when his line was trash..

There's no comparison between Romo and Prescott because Romo showed he could carry an offense with a less than stellar supporting cast...

We saw what happened to Prescott once the wheels fell off..

 

[HungryLion]

In 2014 , Murray and the Offensive line as a group were the MVPs..

What's this fixation people have with giving QBs all the awards?

In 2014 , Romo was not the MVP of our team.

Here's the thing , Romo consistently put up great seasons , even when his line was trash..

There's no comparison between Romo and Prescott because Romo showed he could carry an offense with a less than stellar supporting cast...

We saw what happened to Prescott once the wheels fell off..

Romo never had a single down year? Are we sure about that? His season in 2008 wasn’t exactly a world beater.

I also never said anything about Dak being the MVP of the team. I was just saying he performed about a level close to what Romo did in 2014 under basically the same circumstances, which is true.