Dak second to only Rodgers in 100+ QBR/games played

[zrinkill]

Guess what else happened in the second half of the season. No Zeke and no pass protection. I wonder if that factored into his decline? Probably not though, second year QBs are supposed to make play after play with pressure in their face to receivers who struggle to beat 1v1. 14 sacks in the three games immediately following Zeke and Ty's departure sounds like the coaches made all the adjustments they could and Dak still couldn't find a way to get the ball to a guy who can't catch with his hands and another guy who can only run 2 routes. When defenses adapted to Dak's strengths it should've been on him to make a new game plan and adjust for these changes, not the coaches. He should throw for 400 yards and no picks every game regardless of his O-line play and lack of adequate WR play. But if the O-line is playing well and receivers get open, it's because he had all day to throw dink and dunk passes to wide open guys. I'm with the Dak haters now, they are too logical in their evaluation of Dak to argue with.

**A whole lot of sarcasm for those who don't catch it. Just like every other non-top 5 qb, the guy needs players around him. How did Derek Carr play in 2016 vs 2017? Well his O-line played worse, his rushing attack wasn't the same, and other than a handful of games Cooper and Crabtree were spotty at best. But he throws the ball a little prettier and he looks a little different than Dak so his "regression" isn't attributed to him but to the o-line, receivers, poor D, and bad coaching. When teams as a whole get worse typically the QB plays worse too unless they are Brady/Rodgers/Brees. Looks like the Raiders regressed as a whole from 2016 to 2017, but for some reason fans aren't calling for a new QB in the bay. Go figure.

 

[HungryLion]

There you go back to the "best play" garbage.

The play was an outlier and it was not an example of him making a good play.

Sure sure buddy.

A QB making the right read, recognizing the safety bit on the slant and throwing the ball 50 yards in the air, accurate enough to hit the receiver in the hands for a catch, has nothing to do with the QB’s play and they get no credit for it.

Whatever you say dude.

And when it comes to the “best play” argument. You’re either being purposefully obtuse in recognizing what I mean by best play, or you’re too dumb to understand the simple concept.

 

[Corso]

Hot damn! Trade Dak and Chaz for Rodgers and their 3rd!

 

[sideon]

Another thread trying to convince everyone that Dak is a top 5 QB.

 

[Swagger]

Another pointless thread.

How can anyone compare what Prescott did in 2016 and 2017 to other quarterbacks?

How many other quarterbacks had the best offensive line in football in 2016...oh that would be none.

How many other quarterbacks had the best running game in football in 2016...oh that would be none.

Argument over.

What people fail to understand is that when Prescott had a similar offensive line to the vast majority of other QB's in some games last season (in my view still vastly better than the majority) he looked absolutely horrific. He couldn't carry a cat let alone this team.

That is why people who understand football get sick and tired of this argument that Prescott is amazing and destined for the Hall of Fame. Open your eyes and grow up.

He is durable because he's built like a linebacker and his most impressive quality is his decision making of when to use his legs. I give him that and I have always given him credit in that regard.

But apart from that if we actually judge his throwing ability it's pretty similar to Brian Hoyer. Compared to you or I that's amazing and off the scale but relatively speaking compared with other QB's in the NFL it's well below average. People slam Joe Flacco yet he can certainly throw a zinger when required and has not required the best offensive line in football to execute. Prescott is probably similar to Trent Dilfer in terms of throwing the ball but fair play the former also has some wheels...unfortunately he doesn't have one of the best defenses ever assembled to carry him to winning a Superbowl.

We win nothing with Prescott as recent history shows that the team that wins the Superbowl needs a QB who can make telling throws to win a game unless they have an elite defense (e.g. Broncos '16).

It's another season to write off which is disappointing as there's enough talent to make some noise.

By December I just hope that we fold like a pack of cards so that we secure a high draft pick in 2019 to bring in a QB capable of making the telling throws required without needing two hours to throw the ball to a receiver in 10 yards of space.

Short term pain for long term gain.

 

[GenoT]

SECOND??!?

Well, at least Dak’s still tied for FIRST in the category of all-time lowest postseason win-percentage: 0.00.

 

[erod]

If a 100 passer rating doesn't mean anything anymore, how about 120? Dak has eight of those -- tied for second behind Tom Brady in the past two years.

If a 120 rating doesn't mean anything anymore, how about 130? Dak has five in the past two years -- again tied for second behind Brady. (Dak had three of them last season alone -- tied for the most in the league.)

If a 130 rating doesn't mean anything anymore, how about 140? Dak has three of those in the past two years -- again, tied for the most in the league.

What's next? Only 150 or better is impressive? Well, that's Dak's passer rating in overtime.

It's no wonder the haters cling to total passing yards as the most important way to measure a quarterback.

He went three games in a row and only managed one touchdown last year. How about that stat?

 

[percyhoward]

If we judge QBs by offensive points scored New England is 2nd and Dallas is 14th last year.

I'm sure the blog gets a lot of clicks though...

Maybe left tackles should be judged by offensive points scored.

12 games with Smith
26.7 points per game
4 games without
8.5 points per game

 

[85Cowboy85]

We all know Prescott had a historic rookie season. The concern is the trend line. To say Prescott is going to be a great player because look at how he did in 2016 is foolish. That's essentially the case that this thread is making since the majority of those 100 rating games came in 2016.

I haven't written him off but the low passing yardage totals last year are concerning because in large part we trailed or were in extremely competitive games. More important then the yardage his YPA dipped below 7. If you go back and look at what Griffin did, the drop off from year one to year two is very similar. Both of them lost roughly a yard off of their YPA. Both players more then doubled the previous years interception totals without any increase in touchdowns.

What I will say in his defense is that I think his supporting cast last year was worse than most people think. This WR core was and still is bad, and the offensive line sprung a leak when Tyron went down. Also I'm not sold that he lacks accuracy, I find some of the analyses that others have done on this to be pretty persuasive. The completion percentages beyond certain yardage thresholds are much lower then people think, and that can cause confirmation bias if you assume that a player lacks accuracy without tracking it in an objective way.

This year will be make or break. I know if everything is perfect he can manage a game, but if we are going to invest big money I'd like to see somebody who can carry an offense.

 

[Kevinicus]

Sure sure buddy.

A QB making the right read, recognizing the safety bit on the slant and throwing the ball 50 yards in the air, accurate enough to hit the receiver in the hands for a catch, has nothing to do with the QB’s play and they get no credit for it.

Whatever you say dude.

And when it comes to the “best play” argument. You’re either being purposefully obtuse in recognizing what I mean by best play, or you’re too dumb to understand the simple concept.

And you're too obtuse to realize that I addressed "what you meant" and how it completely undermines what you're trying to say. And now "throwing the ball 50 yards in the air" is an accomplishment for an NFL QB? Really?

Yay, Dak didn't botch the play. But no, it was not an example of good QB play. Your illustrating my point exactly - trying to turn average into all-pro.

 

[pansophy]

Maybe left tackles should be judged by offensive points scored.

12 games with Smith
26.7 points per game
4 games without
8.5 points per game

...and what were Dak's stats during those 4 games? Oh, so your point is that football is a team game and this whole thread is BS. Agreed.

 

[Cowboy89]

I don't think Daks name should ever ever be mentioned in the same sentence with Rodgers. Unless it's to clean Rodgers shoes or something....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/201...-pescott-aaron-rodgers-tom-brady-carson-wentz

but but but...mike white.....he is the future

 

[percyhoward]

...and what were Dak's stats during those 4 games? Oh, so your point is that football is a team game and this whole thread is BS. Agreed.

The passer rating part of it certainly isn't BS. Football being a team game takes nothing away from the fact that passer rating has a very strong correlation to wins in the NFL.

 

[Califan007]

Yes it is

RG3 only played 14 regular season games his first year and 13 games his second ...... he hurt his knee 2nd year.

He hurt his knee his first year in week 13, then re-injured it in the playoffs.

 

[mcmvp]

The passer rating part of it certainly isn't BS. Football being a team game takes nothing away from the fact that passer rating has a very strong correlation to wins in the NFL.

I don’t think anyone disagrees that a good passer rating correlates to wins. The problem some have with giving Dak too much praise with this is the nature of the Cowboys offense. Good passer rating numbers don’t impress as many people in a run-dominated scheme. You can call it unfair, but you just won’t change many minds. It is what it is.

 

[Califan007]

As for the topic...not sure how good Dak will ultimately be or how accurate the assessments of his play has been so far, but it's hugely disingenuous to use passer rating comparisons as some sort of tell-all on a QB's performance. It's too generic to really tell you anything. I'd take Favre and Elway in their prime over Prescott and Cousins (who is #4 on the list in terms of percemtages). Hell, I'd take Luck when he was healthy over both as well.

It's insanely difficult to keep your 100+ QB rating game percentage so high over 142 games like Rodgers has done than it is to do it over 32 games. And that's what ultimately separates the best QBs from those who have looked good for awhile...consistency. Impossible to gage consistency in such a small sample size of 2 seasons. Dak would only be "keeping the same company" as Brady, Brees and Rodgers if he had played as many games as Brady, Brees and Rodgers and still maintained the same 100+ rating percentage.

 

[DallasDomination]

Second to Rodgers in this stat yet most people know he's maybe the 3rd best qb in the division. Honestly speaking I think Dak has a lot of potential but these stats are so misleading. Can he throw for over 300 yards a few times here and there 1st.

Let's get a bounce back year first.

 

[pansophy]

The passer rating part of it certainly isn't BS. Football being a team game takes nothing away from the fact that passer rating has a very strong correlation to wins in the NFL.

Yes, but to your own point, passer rating is as much about conditions the QB has to pass within as it is about the QB himself. No Smith and no Zeke meant less optimal conditions and whole offense stuttered.

So comparing Dak, in a run heavy offense, to Brady in a pass heavy offense by using passer rating really isn't comparing the two very effectively without trying to adjust those stats to account for these differences.

 

[pansophy]

The passer rating part of it certainly isn't BS. Football being a team game takes nothing away from the fact that passer rating has a very strong correlation to wins in the NFL.

For example just taking passing yards as a percent of total yards, New England is 9th in the league with 70% of its yards coming by air whereas Dallas was 31st in the league with 59%. I don't care how many games Prescott had an efficiently of 100+, he was asked to do much less than guys like Brady. So to suggest that Dak is on par or better then some of these guys based on this kind of analysis is not on solid footing.

P.S. Dallas was 30th in the league for passing yards as a percent of total yards in 2016 as well.