Now that the big deal is done, the Cowboys are now setup for E.T. to phone home

[Billyd]

Or we could just give up Rico for him. Surely, the Seahawks know full well about Rico's greatness, haha.

This has merritt and would be funny as hell if Seattle did it, considering that Rico was a six..lolol.

 

[Billyd]

Some solid info of cap money allegedly after the martin signing and other potential contract implications..
https://www.___GET_REAL_URL___/s/24...h-Tank-Lawrence-and-Earl-Thomas-119003472/Amp

 

[Swanny]

Absolutely. There's never been a guy who held out, forced a trade, got paid, then coasted the rest of his career without ever being anything close to the player he was in prior years. They wouldn't ever pull the same hold out thing on their new club a couple years into it, either. Bringing guys like that in is a guaranteed recipe for success.

Just plug him in and boom, you've got 2013 Earl Thomas. We should definitely give Seattle what they want, especially since no one else is banging on their door for him.

I would say the sample size of holding out, forced a trade and got paid is extremely small. I actually cant even think of one. Brett Favre from the Packers to the Jets then Vikings? Favre had his best season ever as a Viking. Maybe I am having a serious brain fart but I can't think of anymore examples off the top of my head. Marshall Faulk? Eli Manning? Those are all success stories and really the only ones I can think of. Just did a quick Google search. Cornelius Bennett, successful. Cant find others that meet the exact criteria. I don't want to trade for ET he is too old to give up something serious. But the sample size you want to compare to has got to be tiny.

 

[phildadon86]

This is rapidly approaching Adrian Peterson levels of hysteria.

I am just waiting for people to start applying percentages to the idea of him being a Cowboy.

I’m still calculating give me some time sir

 

[Billyd]

Try this percentage..I really dont think that Earl is worth a trade, and that Seattle wants to trade him...They had a chance for a two, or a three from the Cowboys, and got greedy..Let em swing...

 

[Baileyneverfailey]

I don't know why people think that the Seahawks are going to deal ET for a paltry pick just because he's skipping minicamps. The Seahawks have all the leverage here. He's under contract for 2018, they can let him angrily hold out then play 2018 and then let him walk in FA and get a compensatory pick after then 30 year old ET signs elsewhere.

That's not to say they won't still deal him if the right offer comes along, but if they weren't willing to take a 3rd rounder during the draft, I don't think there's any chance they will take less now.

 

[KalEl]

Sorry, but I'm not seeing it that way. I'm seeing a guy in the last year of his deal looking for his last long term deal.

And this isn't anything new, that's obvious. He and his agents have been talking to the Seahawks for quite some time about a contract extension. That's a big reason why he went to the Cowboys locker room in December.

And the fact is that any "talks" have obviously gone nowhere, so the guy is using the only leverage he currently has. I don't fault him for that.

But if he's looking for Eric Berry level money of $13 million a year, I don't think I want to be the team that pays that. The safety market is currently moving down, with several name free agents still struggling to find new teams. I wouldn't be eager to set the bar for the top end, especially after just doing that for the offensive guard position.

4-years, $40 million? That's about my ceiling.

While I agree with much of what you've said. I think he wants to be a Cowboy and end his career here. Point being I believe he would not be looking to break the bank to get a deal done.

 

[Stash]

While I agree with much of what you've said. I think he wants to be a Cowboy and end his career here. Point being I believe he would not be looking to break the bank to get a deal done.

I very much hope you're right. For a reasonable price, I'd love to have Earl Thomas here.

 

[Stash]

I don't know why people think that the Seahawks are going to deal ET for a paltry pick just because he's skipping minicamps. The Seahawks have all the leverage here. He's under contract for 2018, they can let him angrily hold out then play 2018 and then let him walk in FA and get a compensatory pick after then 30 year old ET signs elsewhere.

That's not to say they won't still deal him if the right offer comes along, but if they weren't willing to take a 3rd rounder during the draft, I don't think there's any chance they will take less now.

If Thomas wants to push it, things can get even uglier. I don't think "the Seahawks have all the leverage here."

He can go public with his frustrations and get into a player vs team controversy which does neither party any good. And if he wants to, he can hold out into the season and play in only 6 games and still gain an accrued season and hit free agency in 2019.

A mere 6 games won't do the Seahawks much good in 2018.

I see the Seahawks continuing to lose leverage all the time. They're stuck. They obviously don't want to pay him, as they've refused since last year. And he's done playing the back and forth game and is now using the leverage he himself has.

Seattle's options get worse all the time.

 

[TwentyOne]

Thomas is nothing but him using us against his own team..Further a long term for Dlaw is the focus now..That way we can make use of any money gained by a spread to the cap, and release of the franchise tag on Dlaw..

Im sorry but we are not going to pay Thomas what he thinks he can demand, and its the last contract where Thomas can demand market...Give it up!

We (also) gave Martin a longterm contract to not be in a situation next year where we have 2 players going into 2019 as FAs and us having only 1 franchise tag.

There is no way we sign Lawrence to a longterm contract now. He was injured most of his rookie career. He has also had serious back problems and still has to prove everything is fine now. And he had only one half of a season where he played like a top LDE.

Knowing all that we will wait and see if he really is legit. I dont think there will be any longterm contract talks before the midth or end of this coming season. And only if he can repeat the first half of 2017.

Then we are 11 mil under the current cap right now. We have no need to force us into a contract with Lawrence to minimize his cap hit this year.

But i am with you regarding Earl Thomas. No way we should give this guy 13 mils per year. Maybe 6 to 7 but no more.

 

[Established1971]

Watch it happen folks. The fingertips will touch soon.

and he can be teammates with ELL-I-OTT

 

[Established1971]

I would have lost the Seahawks' phone number the second he failed to show at mandatory mini-camp. I wouldn't trust any d-bag holding out when he's under contract.

For the exact same reason you don't negotiate with terrorists.

Like Emmit Smith in 1993

 

[TwentyOne]

I would have lost the Seahawks' phone number the second he failed to show at mandatory mini-camp. I wouldn't trust any d-bag holding out when he's under contract.

For the exact same reason you don't negotiate with terrorists.

Even if they hold all of your family members as captives threatning to kill them all if you dont negotiate ?

 

[TwentyOne]

and he can be teammates with ELL-I-DIOT-T

Fixed that for you.

 

[Billyd]

We (also) gave Martin a longterm contract to not be in a situation next year where we have 2 players going into 2019 as FAs and us having only 1 franchise tag.

There is no way we sign Lawrence to a longterm contract now. He was injured most of his rookie career. He has also had serious back problems and still has to prove everything is fine now. And he had only one half of a season where he played like a top LDE.

Knowing all that we will wait and see if he really is legit. I dont think there will be any longterm contract talks before the midth or end of this coming season. And only if he can repeat the first half of 2017.

Then we are 11 mil under the current cap right now. We have no need to force us into a contract with Lawrence to minimize his cap hit this year.

But i am with you regarding Earl Thomas. No way we should give this guy 13 mils per year. Maybe 6 to 7 but no more.

Might be closer to 14 mil..Says that in the article i posted..However I dont think there is any question about Lawrence now...Further Dlaw faced this same question last season..I think he answered those questions in 2017 ..His back is not an issue, the peds suspension was for meds subscribed by his dr for the back..(still his fault).. What if Dlaw takes this above and says im not getting respect and tests his value on the market?

NO its time to get his negotiations handled..I see several other contracts on the horizen that need attention and solid numbers for them, are important...I also see Stephens involvement with contracts, his negotiation skill is....inconsistent.

 

[Billyd]

Even if they hold all of your family members as captives threatning to kill them all if you dont negotiate ?

If you new the risks going in..or you have a seal team on the pad waiting...

 

[CPanther95]

Even if they hold all of your family members as captives threatning to kill them all if you dont negotiate ?

I'm only responsible for one family, so that's different.

If the Seahawks send the message that all you have to do if you aren't happy with the contract you signed is to threaten to sit, they'll have to renegotiate contracts every year.

No team can afford to continually bump up all the existing contracts for players that either overperformed or the market changed since the contract was signed while still burdened with all the contracts for players not performing up to their salary. You end up with a roster where everyone is paid based on their peak perfomance year or most optimistic projection of their potential. Similar to what Jerry did a dozen years ago.

... and nobody is refusing to play for a reduced salary because they suck.

 

[Rayman70]

ET will be playing here week 1 for Dallas. Seattle and he have soured on each other.Most of it is because Seattle wants to complete the rebuild on the defensive side of the ball...so they are willing to gamble on ET. He essentially is being shoved out the door without it actually being said. Seattle has handled this BADLY. They thought they could poach a high draft pick or 2 from some sucker of a team...and they found out no one was biting. Now they are stuck with a potentially messy sitch. They almost have no other choice but to trade him somewhere to save further distraction and embarrassment. PLUS..I don't think ET wants to be on a team who's defense is totally revamped and in flux. I don't blame him.

 

[Einstein]

No, I think DLaw is next on the "todo" list.

 

[Rayman70]

No, I think DLaw is next on the "todo" list.

Maybe not..we have him for this year under the tag. No need to rush a new deal IMO. Lets see if he can duplicate what he did last season. I like the idea of him proving it again. The flip side is..we are on the hook for like 17 mill..whatever the number is...so IT may be one of those deals where we are better off siging him right now rather than later,to save cap space.