Dez lost his job after the Seattle game

[mattjames2010]

This is his M.O. He avoids facts like the plague, deflects, and rests on strawman arguments. He will never provide support to an argument.

More than just him though, sadly.

The problem here is, these people think because I'm pointing out Dak being the bigger problem that I'm defending Dez. I'll defend Dez's 2016 season because I think he played well, 2015 and 2017 were not good years for him and he was either hampered or inconsistent.

I wasn't upset that Dez was released - It takes a lot for me to care about letting a WR go. I think it's an incredibly overrated position due to it being a position that has big splash and highlight plays, also it's the position that creates the biggest egos which leads to great entertainment.

You can have good to average WRs across the board and if you have a great QB, he can make them productive. I think at times a great WR hurts QB development - look at Stafford and how he's improved since Calvin Johnson left. I feel a similar way about Matt Ryan and how he relies on Julio Jones.

What I'm getting at here is, I didn't value Dez much at all so there is no reason for me to be in here defending him. I'm trying to get people focusing on the larger problem that is still here and could end up with a massive contract.

 

[J12B]

More than just him though, sadly.

The problem here is, these people think because I'm pointing out Dak being the bigger problem that I'm defending Dez. I'll defend Dez's 2016 season because I think he played well, 2015 and 2017 were not good years for him and he was either hampered or inconsistent.

I wasn't upset that Dez was released - It takes a lot for me to care about letting a WR go. I think it's an incredibly overrated position due to it being a position that has big splash and highlight plays, also it's the position that creates the biggest egos which leads to great entertainment.

You can have good to average WRs across the board and if you have a great QB, he can make them productive. I think at times a great WR hurts QB development - look at Stafford and how he's improved since Calvin Johnson left. I feel a similar way about Matt Ryan and how he relies on Julio Jones.

What I'm getting at here is, I didn't value Dez much at all so there is no reason for me to be in here defending him. I'm trying to get people focusing on the larger problem that is still here and could end up with a massive contract.

Why don't you defend Dak in 2016 then?

Very hyprocitacl to defend Dez but not Dak. Dak was even far more valuable in 2016 than Dez as evidenced by Dak playing lights out in 3 games with Dez out with injury.

You don't make any sense whatsover.

 

[mattjames2010]

Why don't you defend Dak in 2016 then?

Very hyprocitacl to defend Dez but not Dak. Dak was even far more valuable in 2016 than Dez as evidenced by Dak playing lights out in 3 games with Dez out with injury.

You don't make any sense whatsover.

....I already defended Dez's 2016 season. Go back and look.

And I already pointed out Dak's production in 2016 - he needed perfection across the board on offense to play at a high level. He lost TWO players on offense for a short period of time and nearly bottomed out. He didn't make players around him better, he went to their level.

Now it's fine if people put into perspective what Dak is - he's a game managing QB, limit his throws and have a great running game and he can perform at an acceptable level. If you take that away and rely on his arm, more often than not, you're going to have a bad performance. He's not a QB that is going to turn good players into studs - he's not a Tom Brady/Brees/Rodgers type talent, he's not even a Romo talent in that regard where you can take no names and make them into top performers.

He's a Flacco/Smith. How has Flacco been without a lot of good talent around him?

 

[J12B]

At any point you can quote where I said Dez played great. You are the second person here who claims I've stated something similar to that.....

Like we discussed earlier - I'm pointed to the player that is the bigger problem. You're another one who was wrong from the jump, got called out and even PROVEN WRONG about Dez, and you're still going....

Wew lad.

You're putting Dez and Dak on an equal performance measure when you shouldn't be.

Last year, Dez counted 17 million against the cap. Dak counted just 650k. Tell me who should make the other player better. Tell me who should be making big plays that change the outcome of a game.

Granted, Dak was an average QB last year. He also was without a 4th overall pick as his lead rusher for 6 games and also without his star LT for a few critical games. This should give Dak the benefit of the doubt.

The level of investment dictates what you should expect of players. We looked to have found a gem in Dak in 2016 based on excellent and elite play. 2017 there was some obvious growing pains that should be expected. He has earned the benefit of the doubt.

Dez on the other hand, is a 17th overall pick and cost this team a significant amount of cap space since 2015. He never played up the level in which he was being compensated for.

You act like Dak was taken the pick after Carson Wentz and that's why you are a moron.

When/if Dak gets extended then he will be held accountable if he does not perform at a high level.

 

[J12B]

....I already defended Dez's 2016 season. Go back and look.

And I already pointed out Dak's production in 2016 - he needed perfection across the board on offense to play at a high level. He lost TWO players on offense for a short period of time and nearly bottomed out. He didn't make players around him better, he went to their level.

Now it's fine if people put into perspective what Dak is - he's a game managing QB, limit his throws and have a great running game and he can perform at an acceptable level. If you take that away and rely on his arm, more often than not, you're going to have a bad performance. He's not a QB that is going to turn good players into studs - he's not a Tom Brady/Brees/Rodgers type talent, he's not even a Romo talent in that regard where you can take no names and make them into top performers.

He's a Flacco/Smith. How has Flacco been without a lot of good talent around him?

And I'm completely fine with having a game managing QB when he counts 650k against the cap. That means other resources can be allocated to other important positions on the team.

 

[mattjames2010]

And I'm completely fine with having a game managing QB when he counts 650k against the cap. That means other resources can be allocated to other important positions on the team.

Except he's not going to be making that money in a couple seasons if you want him as a freakin' franchise QB, dopey. If you're going to whine about Dez's contract, it will be nothing compared to what Dak is going to make.

 

[mattjames2010]

You're putting Dez and Dak on an equal performance measure when you shouldn't be.

Last year, Dez counted 17 million against the cap. Dak counted just 650k. Tell me who should make the other player better. Tell me who should be making big plays that change the outcome of a game.

Granted, Dak was an average QB last year. He also was without a 4th overall pick as his lead rusher for 6 games and also without his star LT for a few critical games. This should give Dak the benefit of the doubt.

The level of investment dictates what you should expect of players. We looked to have found a gem in Dak in 2016 based on excellent and elite play. 2017 there was some obvious growing pains that should be expected. He has earned the benefit of the doubt.

Dez on the other hand, is a 17th overall pick and cost this team a significant amount of cap space since 2015. He never played up the level in which he was being compensated for.

You act like Dak was taken the pick after Carson Wentz and that's why you are a moron.

When/if Dak gets extended then he will be held accountable if he does not perform at a high level.

We have already been over this - don't try to get this to go into a circle. There is no round 2 with me, you were knocked out cold and kicked while you were down by other members here with your stupid claim about Dez's sideline "antics"

Have some dignity.

 

[Captain-Crash]

 

[Aviano90]

We have already been over this - don't try to get this to go into a circle. There is no round 2 with me, you were knocked out cold and kicked while you were down by other members here with your stupid claim about Dez's sideline "antics"

Have some dignity.

No he wasn’t knocked out cold because you think you can find some technicality. Dez was being selfish holding up those 2 fingers...period. Just because he wasn’t saying he only had 2 targets, but rather the type of coverage Washington was running and he wasn’t getting the ball thrown his way still makes him a selfish, me-first player. And you are defending it.

 

[G2]

Using "holding up 2 fingers" as an argument is like the numbskulls who bashed Romo for going to Cabo.
Idiotic.
And no one is saying Dak was super perfect vs. Seattle, more fans feel Dez had a meltdown than not.
Regardless of Daks performance or that of any other player.
Dez screwed tbe pooch. I have no idea why anyone would defend his blatant distraction. Makes sense Dez would admit to be distracted and needed to do a better job.

 

[J12B]

Except he's not going to be making that money in a couple seasons if you want him as a freakin' franchise QB, dopey. If you're going to whine about Dez's contract, it will be nothing compared to what Dak is going to make.

Focus on the now and you can put your crystal ball away.

We have already been over this - don't try to get this to go into a circle. There is no round 2 with me, you were knocked out cold and kicked while you were down by other members here with your stupid claim about Dez's sideline "antics"

Have some dignity.

You're a joke.

How about we get back on track to the topic of this thread to clarify our points.

I agree 100% with the posters premise that Dez lost his spot on Dallas's roster after how he played in the game against Seatlle. Dez had a terrible fumble that caused a huge momentum shift in the first half. Dez also had a pass in his hands but couldn't secure it and it resulted in an interception.

My understanding, since you have consistently bashed the QB and placed the blame more on his play that affected the poor performance from Dez, is that you believe Dez should not have been released based on that single game and how he played the entire 2017 season.

Please explain your justification further and stay on point because I'm tired of knocking you around silly.

This will be the last thing I say to you....you are an idiot.

 

[Sarek]

It will be a truer sense of open competition at WR. Maybe someone will step up and take advantage of the opportunity. There is a real chance for someone to make a name for themselves.

 

[mattjames2010]

Focus on the now and you can put your crystal ball away.


You're a joke.

How about we get back on track to the topic of this thread to clarify our points.

I agree 100% with the posters premise that Dez lost his spot on Dallas's roster after how he played in the game against Seatlle. Dez had a terrible fumble that caused a huge momentum shift in the first half. Dez also had a pass in his hands but couldn't secure it and it resulted in an interception.

My understanding, since you have consistently bashed the QB and placed the blame more on his play that affected the poor performance from Dez, is that you believe Dez should not have been released based on that single game.

Please explain your justification further and stay on point because I'm tired of knocking you around silly.

This will be the last thing I say to you....you are an idiot.

You have multiple pages you can refer back to - I don't know if you're acting obtuse on purpose or your pride is so rattled right now that you are TRYING to salvage any dignity you have left from the beating you have taken the past couple days.

My intentions, my stance on both Dak and Dez have been made clear more than once (more than you or the others deserve) - i do not go in circles, I do not repeat myself a thousand times to the point I have to draw you colorful pictures and hold your hand through simple argumentative points.

I'm guessing you are an adult with a decent level of education, you should be capable of following along in this debate.

Stop worrying about a WR in a league with a dime a dozen good/great. The player that will either make our team trend up or trend down is the same one who couldn't get the ball to any of our WRs last year....

 

[J12B]

You have multiple pages you can refer back to - I don't know if you're acting obtuse on purpose or your pride is so rattled right now that you are TRYING to salvage any dignity you have left from the beating you have taken the past couple days.

My intentions, my stance on both Dak and Dez have been made clear more than once (more than you or the others deserve) - i do not go in circles, I do not repeat myself a thousand times to the point I have to draw you colorful pictures and hold your hand through simple argumentative points.

I'm guessing you are an adult with a decent level of education, you should be capable of following along in this debate.

Stop worrying about a WR in a league with a dime a dozen good/great. The player that will either make our team trend up or trend down is the same one who couldn't get the ball to any of our WRs last year....

Again, you go around in a circles to avoid addressing the topic and say nothing of substance.

Exactly what I expected.

 

[RoboQB]

What ball was forced to Dez? Which one was a thrown to him when he wasn't open, others were, and Dak had time to go through progressions. One example will do.

Read the top line over and over until you understand... lol

I guess it was a poor attempt at humor on my part, Kevin.
Ya see, I haven't taken a vacation in four years. So, this week I decided to take
what's called a staycation. I've been a bit off center most of the week.

I'll try harder to be more funny, I promise... lol

 

[Praxit]

..get the memo to Dez, that Costco will be hiring for seasonal help. ..

 

[Starforever]

Dez lost his job due to mouth and bravado not matching game output.

 

[G2]

Focus on the now and you can put your crystal ball away.


You're a joke.

How about we get back on track to the topic of this thread to clarify our points.

I agree 100% with the posters premise that Dez lost his spot on Dallas's roster after how he played in the game against Seatlle. Dez had a terrible fumble that caused a huge momentum shift in the first half. Dez also had a pass in his hands but couldn't secure it and it resulted in an interception.

My understanding, since you have consistently bashed the QB and placed the blame more on his play that affected the poor performance from Dez, is that you believe Dez should not have been released based on that single game and how he played the entire 2017 season.

Please explain your justification further and stay on point because I'm tired of knocking you around silly.

This will be the last thing I say to you....you are an idiot.

Dez also dropped numerous, well thrown passes within scoring opportunities in other games as well.
Dak threw some bad passes but not all.
Like the idiots who used to chirp Dak couldn't throw a back shoulder fade. Drrrrrr.
It's alarming there's still a small vocal group that defends everything anti-Dak.
Dez was lousy for years.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Dumbest fanbase in sports...

 

[Supercowboy1986]

Cowboys are close but I’d say the Texans fans win the dumbest fan base award.

Dumbest fanbase in sports...