Jimmy Johnson's legend grows with each year

[LACowboysFan1]

At least there's hope, luck if nothing else, who knew Brady would wind up winning 5 SBs as a 6th round pick? Who knew Emmitt would wind up the all time rushing leader at his size/speed? Who knew Drew Brees would recover so well from his shoulder injury? Sure people had their opinions/views that those things would happen, but at the time it was an uncertainty.

Cowboys are due some luck...

 

[Diehardblues]

I do, only in that as long as he's the owner, he'll knows he'll go get some credit, and reflected glory is better than none.

But you may be right, no way we can know for sure...

If he’s only interested in winning as owner why wouldn’t he officially pass the baton to Stephen and or bring in a GM? Doesn’t add up to me..

The actions don’t reflect he’s over getting his credit for being a football guy.

It sounds more like fans are just wanting to believe he’s stepped away because it gives them more hope.

 

[Diehardblues]

At least there's hope, luck if nothing else, who knew Brady would wind up winning 5 SBs as a 6th round pick? Who knew Emmitt would wind up the all time rushing leader at his size/speed? Who knew Drew Brees would recover so well from his shoulder injury? Sure people had their opinions/views that those things would happen, but at the time it was an uncertainty.

Cowboys are due some luck...

That might be our only hope.

Those other situations you mentioned though they made decisions and moves with their front offices and or coaching staffs which placed them in a better situation to win.

I’m not trying to ditch your hope but to me it’s not practical to place higher expectations than are reasonable given our obstacles and hindrances we are confronted with Jerry’s ways anymore than you’d expect anyone with a handicap to overcome. But Miracles do happen.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

If he’s only interested in winning as owner why wouldn’t he officially pass the baton to Stephen and or bring in a GM? Doesn’t add up to me..

Because he thinks Stephen can and will do the job without the official title, because he'll get to be in Jerry's place one day, JJ appears to be in good health at 76, but Stephen is 23 years his junior, and if half the stories about Jerry's drinking is true, he's not likely to live to 90 or near that...

 

[Idgit]

What it tells me is that an excess of picks is helpful in building dynasties, and that it’s a lot harder doing it without the competitive advantage.

We’ve tried doing it recently by taking shots at talented troubled players (Hardy, McClain, Gregory) and injury risks (Jaylon).

I think you either have to just pick better, or you have to figure out how to klepp together the right group of aging vets under the cap. The league is geared for mediocrity now like it wasn’t in the 90’s.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Those other situations you mentioned though they made decisions and moves with their front offices and or coaching staffs which placed them in a better situation to win.

But they could have not worked out, either, what if the Saints signed Brees and the next year he got the shoulder hurt again and couldn't play anymore? No SB for the Saints, most likely, given their annual porous defense.

I just feel that whether Jerry's gotten smarter, Stephen runs things now or Garrett's really got a good "process" things are mostly looking better....

 

[Diehardblues]

Because he thinks Stephen can and will do the job without the official title, because he'll get to be in Jerry's place one day, JJ appears to be in good health at 76, but Stephen is 23 years his junior, and if half the stories about Jerry's drinking is true, he's not likely to live to 90 or near that...

That’s what your basing your assumptions on?

 

[Diehardblues]

But they could have not worked out, either, what if the Saints signed Brees and the next year he got the shoulder hurt again and couldn't play anymore? No SB for the Saints, most likely, given their annual porous defense.

I just feel that whether Jerry's gotten smarter, Stephen runs things now or Garrett's really got a good "process" things are mostly looking better....

Of course they didn’t have to work out but they placed themselves in a more favorable position with who they put in charge or didn't put in charge.

If every team was mandated for the owner to be their GM involved the way Jerry is and has been I think we’d be on a much more even playing field with the rest of the league.

 

[Diehardblues]

But they could have not worked out, either, what if the Saints signed Brees and the next year he got the shoulder hurt again and couldn't play anymore? No SB for the Saints, most likely, given their annual porous defense.

I just feel that whether Jerry's gotten smarter, Stephen runs things now or Garrett's really got a good "process" things are mostly looking better....

Then why haven’t the results been better? Or I guess your saying they’re going to be?

If not then what difference does it make?

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Then why haven’t the results been better? Or I guess your saying they’re going to be?

If not then what difference does it make?

Why haven't results been better? I submit they have been. From 2010-2013, 4 years. 0 winning seasons.
2014-2017, 4 years, 3 winning seasons. And if Romo hadn't been injured, I would submit 2015 would have been another.

Those same years, 14 defensive picks for the first 4 years, 24 the last 4 years (not including 2018 draft picks).

A commitment to the running game, solid draft picks like Martin, Frederick, Lawrence, Elliot.

It's not good enough, for Cowboys' fans, but I do think the chances for contending teams is better in the last few years, can't say it will for sure, but nobody can say they won't be contenders for sure either. I'll take a couple of 12-4 and 13-3 years over 3 straight 8-8 years as in Garrett's first few years, to me that IS better...

 

[Diehardblues]

Why haven't results been better? I submit they have been. From 2010-2013, 4 years. 0 winning seasons.
2014-2017, 4 years, 3 winning seasons. And if Romo hadn't been injured, I would submit 2015 would have been another.

Those same years, 14 defensive picks for the first 4 years, 24 the last 4 years (not including 2018 draft picks).

A commitment to the running game, solid draft picks like Martin, Frederick, Lawrence, Elliot.

It's not good enough, for Cowboys' fans, but I do think the chances for contending teams is better in the last few years, can't say it will for sure, but nobody can say they won't be contenders for sure either. I'll take a couple of 12-4 and 13-3 years over 3 straight 8-8 years as in Garrett's first few years, to me that IS better...

We were saying the same thing back from 2006- 2009.

If we’re in such a better place why is there so much criticism with our HC and staff?

I would agree we appeared in a better place in 2014 but that window closed abruptly and with no better results . I’m not convinced yet we are in a better place.

But I’m not a fan that usually applauds until after a successful play or season. And when we reach that plateau I’ll acknowledge this was a better way.

I want to believe Garrett is making a difference with Jerry but I also did in Bill which didn’t end well. And so many dispute Garrett’s influence it’s hard to tell without more success.

 

[kskboys]

Jerry and Jimmy both worked to get that roster going in the 90s. It's not like Jimmy built a powerhouse in Miami.

And teams having a marketing brand as good as the Cowboys is great for the very sport you watch every weekend/weekday from September to February.

Did they? Jerry sure has gone out of his way to prove not much of it was him.

 

[DFWJC]

Why haven't results been better? I submit they have been. From 2010-2013, 4 years. 0 winning seasons.
2014-2017, 4 years, 3 winning seasons. And if Romo hadn't been injured, I would submit 2015 would have been another.

Those same years, 14 defensive picks for the first 4 years, 24 the last 4 years (not including 2018 draft picks).

A commitment to the running game, solid draft picks like Martin, Frederick, Lawrence, Elliot.

It's not good enough, for Cowboys' fans, but I do think the chances for contending teams is better in the last few years, can't say it will for sure, but nobody can say they won't be contenders for sure either. I'll take a couple of 12-4 and 13-3 years over 3 straight 8-8 years as in Garrett's first few years, to me that IS better...

No doubt that this overall roster is better than 2010-2013. Much younger too.

 

[Diehardblues]

No doubt that this overall roster is better than 2010-2013. Much younger too.

Well yea... those were some of the worst teams since Campo era. Statistically worse defenses since early Expansion years but are they better than 2014 or 2016?

 

[DFWJC]

Well yea... those were some of the worst teams since Campo era. Statistically worse defenses since early Expansion years but are they better than 2014 or 2016?

Sure, the defenses in 2014 was better (even thoufh Lee was out). And 2016 and 2017 were better still.
None were the type that were really SB worthy, even with good offenses.
I expect this years group to be better.Hopefully they will no longer be our handicap.

But anyway, starting to split hairs

 

[Diehardblues]

Sure, the defenses in 2014 was better (even thoufh Lee was out). And 2016 and 2017 were better still.
None were the type that were really SB worthy, even with good offenses.
I expect this years group to be better.Hopefully they will no longer be our handicap.

But anyway, starting to split hairs

We’ll have to wait and see how this season unfolds before making a true analysis and comparison.

 

[mattjames2010]

Did they? Jerry sure has gone out of his way to prove not much of it was him.

....because the NFL changed. You have no idea how Jimmy would have been in the cap era and he built a pretty mediocre Dolphins team after his stint with the Cowboys.

However, what I am giving is just facts - Without Jerry, there is no Jimmy. Jimmy was satisfied with staying in college (his own words), he was having a ton of success there. He was a living legend in Miami. And many of those trades may have been Jimmy's idea, he was the coach after all, but Jerry is someone who had pull. They worked well together, their egos just didn't get along.

Jerry entered a very different league that changed greatly a few years later. You're not getting a Vikings-like deal after 1994. It was perfect timing and two people built for it coming together. We have no idea how the Cowboys would have looked with Jimmy once the players from the great train robbery started to age.

We got to see Jimmy in his prime where he started and fled - we've got to see nearly 30 years of Jerry Jones.

 

[mattjames2010]

No doubt that this overall roster is better than 2010-2013. Much younger too.

I remember people arguing with me back then that we were championship level - Romo made it seem like we weren't rebuilding, but the moment we let Phillips go, the Parcells/Phillips era was on it's way out and a lot of players were either aging or being released. That O-Line from 09-13 knocked a few years off Romo's playing career.

 

[DFWJC]

I remember people arguing with me back then that we were championship level - Romo made it seem like we weren't rebuilding, but the moment we let Phillips go, the Parcells/Phillips era was on it's way out and a lot of players were either aging or being released. That O-Line from 09-13 knocked a few years off Romo's playing career.

He got seriously pounded, no doubt.
09 wasnt so bad until the injuries at the end of the year

And those defenses from 2010 thru 2013 were legendarily bad.
Looking up somewhat now rhough

 

[kskboys]

....because the NFL changed. You have no idea how Jimmy would have been in the cap era and he built a pretty mediocre Dolphins team after his stint with the Cowboys.

However, what I am giving is just facts - Without Jerry, there is no Jimmy. Jimmy was satisfied with staying in college (his own words), he was having a ton of success there. He was a living legend in Miami. And many of those trades may have been Jimmy's idea, he was the coach after all, but Jerry is someone who had pull. They worked well together, their egos just didn't get along.

Jerry entered a very different league that changed greatly a few years later. You're not getting a Vikings-like deal after 1994. It was perfect timing and two people built for it coming together. We have no idea how the Cowboys would have looked with Jimmy once the players from the great train robbery started to age.

We got to see Jimmy in his prime where he started and fled - we've got to see nearly 30 years of Jerry Jones.

Absolutely. I'm not arguing for Jimmy. However, the fact remains that Jerry has proven beyond any doubt whatsoever that it was not him. His mistakes since then have been way too glaring and basic.

I don't care two pear pits about the Jimmy vs Jerry argument. That's a dummb argument anyway, because Jerry as a GM hired Jimmy, so even it was mostly or all Jimmy, Jerry hired him so Jerry gets credit. It is absolutely irrelevant who actually made the decisions. I have no idea why Jerry has this strange idea that he needs to be perceived as a football guru. It makes no sense at all.

Maybe they just got lucky, maybe the stars aligned, I don't know and I don't care.