Fix Linehan and fix the Cowboys

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I've been pretty harsh on Dak and what he did after last week and the end of last season.

But I think the point of the OP here, and it's a good one.

If you're an OC, know who you have, what you have, and don't set your team up to fail.

We can and should criticize the offense's ability to execute. But I do think it is clear they WERE set up to fail.
that's not so true. and this is not a defense of the OC or the coach....watching last weeks game, there were plenty of opportunities for Dak to make plays. he outright missed them. so you can't say put in a system for your QB. if your QB is limited, then you have to put in a limited offensive plan!!! and you are doomed. a lot of the plays, dak was staring down his receivers and looking at only half the filed and not going through his progression. on multiple plays he had wide open receivers on the side he wasn't looking. that's on Dak, not the OC..
 

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I'd be fine too with having new OC blood in the mix.

But there were guys open throughout that Panther game.
Just look at the tape. Linehan actually designed a fairly effective game plan if executed properly.

I can't ever recall so many people putting so much blame on the coaching until the last two years. Hey, maybe its better late than never.....but it's also a coverall excuse for the players.
 
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did you watch Dak? do you know how many open WRs he missed? do you know how many bad throws he had?
Sure I did. He failed the eye test for sure. But I’m not naive enough or have an agenda to think that there’s other factors in play. Did you watch the first 4 plays? How did they end?
 

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It would go a long way if our coaches would scout the opponent then devise a gameplan to attack their weaknesses. I suspect that they don't, scouting is minimal and the same plays/concept are installed every week no matter who they face.

This team isn't talented enough to "just beat your man", they need help and be put into the best position to succeed. The Patriots are a chameleon and can look different each and every week.

There are ways to help a struggling line or QB but it is rare to see it implemented here.

It is not all Linehan's fault but it is his job to work around our own weaknesses.
how do you know scouting is minimal? do you work at the cowboys facility? are you part of the scouting dept.? do you sit in the coaches room? and the plays/concepts are installed from play book. the game plan is made each week from the play book and the play book is revised through out the year.

and the patriots aren't chameleon's they run the same plays, over and over. they execute. they have the GOAT QB and probably the best coach ever. and when plays are there, they make it. Tom puts his WRs in position to succeed, he doesn't throw at their feet, or behind them or 8 miles above them.

there was a lot of execution mistakes made last week including by the OL. when players don't execute...what do you do? dumb it down? then the complaint will be the playbooks is highschoolish and too easy....

part of the problem is this group, really never played together in preseason
 

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I'd be fine too with having new OC blood I the mix.

But there were guys open throughout that Panther game.
Just look at the tape. Linehan actually designed a fairly effective game plan if executed properly.

I can't ever recall so many people putting so much blame on the coaching until the last two years. Hey, maybe its better late than never.....but it's also coverall excuse for the players.
I’ve never played or coached organized football so I can’t honestly judge the QB. I’ve seen him do much better than that so I know he can do it. I can however make a judgement on the OC. The results speak for themselves.
 

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I’ve never played or coached organized football so I can’t honestly judge the QB. I’ve seen him do much better than that so I know he can do it. I can however make a judgement on the OC. The results speak for themselves.


If you aren't qualified to judge coaching or the QB play, than why take sides?

This same DC has led some of the most prolific offenses in the league, several times, with various other QBs.
I'm not letting him off the hook, and I'm pulling for Dak big time, but Prescott is not executing at all.
 
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It’s as obvious as the fishing pole in Risen’s hand that the problem with the Cowboys offense is the OC. Not the QB, not the RB, not the TE, not the OL not the WR’s and not the HC. And it’s really not the offense itself but mainly the play calling. Linehan has no grasp of the present and is unable to be bold and aggressive when needed. He just calls the same ole plays. How many predicted the 1st play of the season? All of us. I don’t see any creativity at all in his play calling. I don’t see any plays called to try to take advantage of a rookie CB or safety. Something needs to change there quick.

 

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Sure I did. He failed the eye test for sure. But I’m not naive enough or have an agenda to think that there’s other factors in play. Did you watch the first 4 plays? How did they end?
I watched it. there were some missed assignments. Smith had a bad game, including two in the first 4 plays, which would have made huge difference in the game...

and everyone failed the eye test. I am not excluding anyone, and not pointing the finger at anyone...I am pointing fingers at everyone.
 

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Sounds like talking points from the Garrett fanboi meeting.
 

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I'm not so sure. Linehan really has favored the pure pocket passer QB, even back when he was running Stafford and Megatron in Detroit.

I don't know if Linehan really has it in his wheelhouse to make a RPO, non-shotgun mix it up offense.
an NFL QB has to be able to make throws from the pocket. end of story. if he can move and throw on the run its a plus, not core of what you do. every team focuses on getting and OL, that can pass protect and create a pocket for the QB to throw from. If Dak can't throw effectively and consistently from the pocket, then Dak sucks. RGIII is/was out of the league because he couldn't do that.. his first year he was successful and subsequently teams figured it out, forced him to stay in the pocket and he sucked there after. there is a long list of those type of QBs... Cam, can run, can roll, but he is also effective from the pocket. Rodgers can run, scramble, throw on the run, but he is effective from the pocket.

again, I repeat. if an NFL QB can't effectively throw from the pocket...he sucks.
 

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I get it. If Dak can't make the throws, at all, it doesn't really matter.

I guess I'm a glass half full guy and I hope a competent OC can scheme to the players strengths.

But, you're right. If Dak can't get it done under any circumstance, it does not matter what an OC does.

I just still think it's on them both. I might be wrong, but I feel like the OC can make the offense more effective for someone like Dak.
what's Dak's strength? at this point he has a whole lot of weaknesses....he can't make simple throws....accurately...
 

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I've already said it before in another thread but let me reiterate... If we go 0-4 in this 1st quarter, Jerry will fire Linehan. Watch it happen.

No one believed me when I said Dez wouldn't be playing here this year for 14.5 mil either.

Linehan's seat is full of volcanic lava.
if we are 0-3, Garrett will take over play calling and linehand will be some kind of passing game coordinator.... and we will continue to suck until Dak can make a few throws...
 

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exactly...i mean why call plays that allow these recievers to get open... how dumb of the offense. During the game i blamme linehan too then watched the all 22 film for the 1st half and realized he did go 3 wide more, he did use screens to attack the edge more, but penalties and dak poor throws killed the drive.
come on...don't use logic, it will get in the way of their perceptions...
 

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Just stick any ol’ varsity QB out there, it doesn’t matter. Talent doesn’t matter, only playcalling.
 

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The problem is the playbook. We go nowhere until it's thrown in the burn barrel where it belongs.
or until Dak learns to throw from the pocket and not jump in the air during his throws...he has to learn its not a basketball jump shot
 

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I’ve never played or coached organized football so I can’t honestly judge the QB. I’ve seen him do much better than that so I know he can do it. I can however make a judgement on the OC. The results speak for themselves.
so if you can't judge he players...then the only one you can blame is the coach...and if the players are not good and you change the coach...the problem will continue to exists....your analysis was awful
 

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I've already said it before in another thread but let me reiterate... If we go 0-4 in this 1st quarter, Jerry will fire Linehan. Watch it happen.

No one believed me when I said Dez wouldn't be playing here this year for 14.5 mil either.

As long as you're patting yourself on the back for predictions (some also made by others), how's that ET trade coming along? ;)
 

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Nonsense. We repeatedly ran our receivers in a way that opened up guys in the secondary. Dak just wouldn’t throw the ball more than 10 yards...and when he did he was throwing rug-burners.



This video was BRUTAL - sure made all of Troy's comments during the game about someone "needing to get open" and no one helping their QB look foolish. Guys were open all day and just kept getting missed
 
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