Dak wasn't that good last night **merged**

CowboysFaninHouston said:
can he average 225 yards per game consistently..... can he lead this offense consistently? against Carolina he laid a big egg. against giants he was an average QB, did enough to let the defense take care of things and he didn't mess anything up. basically he was a bus driver...but the last 6-8 games of last year.... he wasn't any good....its about 10 games where he has been average to below average and has been a burden to the offense.
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He averaged 229+ yards per game passing in 2016.

He tossed for 302 yards in his lone playoff appearance.

So the answer is obviously yes, he "can".

Will the situation dictate that? Who knows.
 
Dre11 said:
You made the comment that a qb is paid to throw, that is a dumb * statement, Qb's are paid(along with all players) to win by any means, if running is that means so be it. FYI, RG3 soured in Washington because he refused to run. In fact he walked into Shanahan office and told him he wasn't running the 50 series of players which included the read options. Nobody said you need a running qb to win, it's a huge asset. Kap,Mcnabb,McNair, all took teams to the Super Bowl. Neither were great passers
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yes they are paid to win, and the way most successful QBs win is by THROWING the ball. not running the ball. there are more skeletons of running QBs in the league that couldn't throw than the other way around. Running the ball is gravy and it puts your most important player in danger of getting injured....I am not opposed to Dak running, if he could be consistent in throwing the ball, to complement his game, but not instead of throwing, we should run him to win games. that's not a formula for success in the NFL. RGIII, Vince Young and a few others who suffered the same fate......Cam newton runs the ball and its part of their game plan..... but Cam can throw it from the pocket, and he is accurate.

again, having a QB that can run is an asset if they can pass effectively. when they can't then its not good. you don't need a running QB to succeed, but you need a QB that can pass effectively from the pocket.
 
Dre11 said:
No it isn't, his Ego got him in trouble. You need to your facts straight. I live here in D.C. and that's all they talked about.
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I used to live in DC area too. yeah he had an ego, but he also couldn't pass from the pocket. his ego made him not-likable.....he was never effective from the pocket.....

Vince Young was the same way.....couldn't read a defense or pass from the pocket...
 
jterrell said:
He averaged 229+ yards per game passing in 2016.

He tossed for 302 yards in his lone playoff appearance.

So the answer is obviously yes, he "can".

Will the situation dictate that? Who knows.
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he "could". can he again. 2017 and 2 games into 2018 says otherwise.
 
jterrell said:
The LA Rams averaged 239.8passign yards per game in 2017. That was good for 12.
Dak's 240 given 1.5 as many series to reach avg would have overtaken them for 12th in the league.
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Dak has never averaged 240/game. Our total offense is 265 and ranked 30th in the league.

Fun fact Dak has only 3 300+ yard passing games in his career.
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
he "could". can he again. 2017 and 2 games into 2018 says otherwise.
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please just block me if you are going to be obtuse to this extent.

dak has proven he literally CAN do it so yes he CAN. you asked a dumb question and it was answered definitively.
you didn't like the answer so you pivoted.

will he do it again is a very different question and calls for crystal balls.

this team has a truly great defense and is playing to shorten games.
if the team is behind a couple TDs quick it will just warm your heart when he throws for 275 in a loss...
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
yes they are paid to win, and the way most successful QBs win is by THROWING the ball. not running the ball. there are more skeletons of running QBs in the league that couldn't throw than the other way around. Running the ball is gravy and it puts your most important player in danger of getting injured....I am not opposed to Dak running, if he could be consistent in throwing the ball, to complement his game, but not instead of throwing, we should run him to win games. that's not a formula for success in the NFL. RGIII, Vince Young and a few others who suffered the same fate......Cam newton runs the ball and its part of their game plan..... but Cam can throw it from the pocket, and he is accurate.

again, having a QB that can run is an asset if they can pass effectively. when they can't then its not good. you don't need a running QB to succeed, but you need a QB that can pass effectively from the pocket.
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How do you explain McNabb? He couldn't thrown any better than Dak, McNair the same, Kap, and Cam isn't all that accurate either. Just as there's running qbs that don't last, the same can be said about passing qbs, because there's been tons that could sling it and not last.
 
jterrell said:
please just block me if you are going to be obtuse to this extent.

dak has proven he literally CAN do it so yes he CAN. you asked a dumb question and it was answered definitively.
you didn't like the answer so you pivoted.

will he do it again is a very different question and calls for crystal balls.

this team has a truly great defense and is playing to shorten games.
if the team is behind a couple TDs quick it will just warm your heart when he throws for 275 in a loss...
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I didn't pivot... I presented facts. and recent facts are more relevant than those from longer ago. he has had 3 300+ yard games in his career. 35 games in total.
 
Dre11 said:
How do you explain McNabb? He couldn't thrown any better than Dak, McNair the same, Kap, and Cam isn't all that accurate either. Just as there's running qbs that don't last, the same can be said about passing qbs, because there's been tons that could sling it and not last.
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Romo and Aikman are examples of guys who were nearly decapitated in the pocket.
"Pocket passers" are no safer than running QBs in reality.

A running QB can give himself up and avoid taking shots.
A passing QB has to stand in til last minute with zero protection plenty of times trying to make a play.
 
Dre11 said:
How do you explain McNabb? He couldn't thrown any better than Dak, McNair the same, Kap, and Cam isn't all that accurate either. Just as there's running qbs that don't last, the same can be said about passing qbs, because there's been tons that could sling it and not last.
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McNair played in early 90's... his career average was about 200 yards per game...he was effective from the pocket and a type of QB that didn't exist at the time. if you look at Aikman, you don't see a lot of yards but an effective passer from the pocket and his stats reflective of 90s type football. game has changed significantly since then. much much more passer friendly which has pushed the stats up.....across the board.
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
I didn't pivot... I presented facts. and recent facts are more relevant than those from longer ago. he has had 3 300+ yard games in his career. 35 games in total.
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You are talking complete nonsense and 300 yard games are pointless when that was never the bar.
That is the very definition of a pivot.

And your "fact" is wrong because he was over 300 yards passing in his 1 post-season game.
 
jterrell said:
Romo and Aikman are examples of guys who were nearly decapitated in the pocket.
"Pocket passers" are no safer than running QBs in reality.

A running QB can give himself up and avoid taking shots.
A passing QB has to stand in til last minute with zero protection plenty of times trying to make a play.
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I am not advocating that a QB must not be a running QB. but a QB has to be able to be effective from the pocket...everything else is gravy......if he can't effectively pass from the pocket and be an effective passer, then just make him a RB....
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
McNair played in early 90's... his career average was about 200 yards per game...he was effective from the pocket and a type of QB that didn't exist at the time. if you look at Aikman, you don't see a lot of yards but an effective passer from the pocket and his stats reflective of 90s type football. game has changed significantly since then. much much more passer friendly which has pushed the stats up.....across the board.
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Good lord... Aikman's passing totals were down because we ran the ball and shortened the game the same way we are now.
This isn't complicated.
Aikman was efficient and so is Dak.
 
jterrell said:
You are talking complete nonsense and 300 yard games are pointless when that was never the bar.
That is the very definition of a pivot.

And your "fact" is wrong because he was over 300 yards passing in his 1 post-season game.
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it was not a bar. it was a stat.... and his playoff game is included in the 3 games he has thrown for over 300....and thus the fact is not wrong....
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
I am not advocating that a QB must not be a running QB. but a QB has to be able to be effective from the pocket...everything else is gravy......if he can't effectively pass from the pocket and be an effective passer, then just make him a RB....
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Dak finished 3rd in the NFL in QBR (Aikman's pet stat) in 2016. Last year he fell.... to 4th....
This year after an awful week 1 he is 18th.
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
it was not a bar. it was a stat.... and his playoff game is included in the 3 games he has thrown for over 300....and thus the fact is not wrong....
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and can he average 225 yards per game consistently is the very definition of a bar.
again, stop being willfully obtuse.
 
jterrell said:
Good lord... Aikman's passing totals were down because we ran the ball and shortened the game the same way we are now.
This isn't complicated.
Aikman was efficient and so is Dak.
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exactly....it was a different game back then.....passing offenses weren't as sophisticated and dominant as today. a 3000 yard passer was considered to be a big achievement....the game today produces 4000 yard passers regularly and there are 5000 yard passers....if and that's a big if we can replicate the 90's in 2018, then great.... but its a different game today than it used to be. geez..that's not so hard to understand......

sorry, I am not impressed by Dak and I used to defend him vehemently...but color me not impressed. he has regressed than progressed.
 
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