Twitter: For fans concerned about Dak passing under 200 yards

[percyhoward]

I have no doubt the numbers are accurate but I am interested in the criteria selection. For example, why the range of 6.2 to 6.4 ypa?

Why not just include all performances above 6.2 meeting the other criteria?

Because that 6.2+ range has no cap on it, it would tell you more about a 7.0 or 8.0 performance than about the kind of performance you wanted to know about in the first place.

Ideally you want the comparisons to range from slightly below to slightly above the number you start with.

 

[cowboyblue22]

Trust me you do NOT want to argue numbers with @AdamJT13 . That dude will school you and steal your lunch money!

I have lots of respect for him and his numbers I am not going to argue with him

 

[Gator88]

Phil,

I think what Adam is arguing in the first place, is that the type of game Dak just had, is conducive to winning in the NFL. He is making that argument by showing the winning percentage for QB’s who have very similar games statistically. Which is a very high win percentage since 2005.

So the argument is, that total yardage isn’t what defines a “good passing game”. Efficiency and lack of turnovers is what makes a “good passing game” when it comes to actually winning NFL games.

Now it’s fair to disagree with that argument. But I think many posters on this thread are losing sight of the actual argument being presented by Adam.

That's fair, but why limit it to 6.2-6.4 ypa? That made the results awfully limited, why not 6.2 or more ypa?

Because that 6.2+ range has no cap on it, it would tell you more about a 7.0 or 8.0 performance than about the kind of performance you wanted to know about in the first place.

Ideally you want the comparisons to range from slightly below to slightly above the number you start with.

That would be ideal, but doesn't this make the sample size too small?

 

[Philmonroe]

So the questions you ask are legit, but the questions someone else asks are pointless?!?

Personally, I don’t think Dak is as good as Romo was, and to tell you the truth, I’d like to see them bring someone in to compete with Dak to be the starter. But right now, he’s what we have, and I just hope for the best. I think we CAN win with Dak. I just don’t think he can carry the team like a Rodgers or Brees or Brady.

I explained why I thought his question wasn't legit so spare me the I think my questions are legit and everybody else's aren't. If you didn't read what I posted on that that's not my fault.

As far as the second part I agree with you just think I'm more critical of him than you.

 

[Clove]

That's a lie but your type always tries low budget stuff.

You guess a lot of things. You should stop because your guesses are incorrect too often. You can't keep up with me you're just trolling like a hurt lover. I'm going to end that though because this back and forth is like most of your questions stupid. We don't agree and you just want to ask bad questions so you can ask them but I'm done answering them. Have a great day

Run along little one, bring a man not a boy next time you want to go toe to toe with me.

The fact is, yardage has nothing to do with whether you're a good or bad QB. 6 times Aikman posted less than 200 yards in the Super Bowl year in 95, and 5 times he posted less than 200 yards in 93, and I'll have to look it up for 92. Yardage has nothing to do with wins/losses if you play smart football, and don't do stupid things to mess up what your defense has done for you.

Now if they had been scoring, and he couldn't keep up, then I would have criticized him based on yardage, because he didn't do what it took to win.

Football 101, go study.

 

[HungryLion]

That's fair, but why limit it to 6.2-6.4 ypa? That made the results awfully limited, why not 6.2 or more ypa?

Because that then includes games where QB’s have 7,8,9 yards an attempt. Which wouldn’t be an accurate representation of whether or not Dak’s recent performance is good enough to win NFL games or not.

 

[Clove]

The problem I have with Dak is that he's a natural born conservative at QB. He refuses to take chances, thus, he will always be just an average QB, and unless we have a top 2 defense, average isn't going to cut it.

 

[Gator88]

Because that then includes games where QB’s have 7,8,9 yards an attempt. Which wouldn’t be an accurate representation of whether or not Dak’s recent performance is good enough to win NFL games or not.

Yes, and it would be better to have this as an additional frame of reference because the sample size of the 6.2-6.4 ypa is so small.

 

[Galian Beast]

The star isn’t manufactured. It’s reflective of Dak’s recent performance and correlating that performance to being conducive to winning NFL games.

Again.... you don’t even know what you’re arguing against.

Except it isn't a large enough sample to reflect his recent performance. Expand it to under 7 yards per attempt and see what you get from there... Still no @AdamJT13 on that...

 

[Philmonroe]

Phil,

I think what Adam is arguing in the first place, is that the type of game Dak just had, is conducive to winning in the NFL. He is making that argument by showing the winning percentage for QB’s who have very similar games statistically. Which is a very high win percentage since 2005.

So the argument is, that total yardage isn’t what defines a “good passing game”. Efficiency and lack of turnovers is what makes a “good passing game” when it comes to actually winning NFL games.

Now it’s fair to disagree with that argument. But I think many posters on this thread are losing sight of the actual argument being presented by Adam.

I was agreeing with Adam until Beast pointed out that over 13 years that's only happpened 11 times which isn't a lot in the grand scheme of things. Also usually when you're consistently passing for Dak numbers that's the realm of Tebow type players. If we had Tebow do people think we could win it all? I don't even hate Dak I'm just realistic this guy 3 years in has the same flaws as he did in college.

I'll give you the last sentence regarding losing sight of the argument but as you know in these threads the discussions go every which way.

 

[Galian Beast]

Actually, the numbers are pulled from a small window of passer rating. The argument he is making in the first place, is that the passer rating and lack of ints is what makes something a effective passing game. Not total yards.

He isn’t arguing that ineffective passing games is conducive to winning games. He’s saying total yards doesn’t correlate to winning games.



So........... you don’t even know what you’re arguing against.

Except he has on purpose reduced the size of the sample to reflect the numbers he wants. You can look at effective passing and increase the sample by looking at anything under 7 yards per attempt and it won't be as rosy.

 

[zrinkill]

The problem I have with Dak is that he's a natural born conservative at QB. He refuses to take chances, thus, he will always be just an average QB, and unless we have a top 2 defense, average isn't going to cut it.

But you hated Romo because he was not conservative.

 

[Philmonroe]

With one post Adam destroyed philmonroe's and his goons 30 posts .........

Not really but just like anything folks will co sign dog poop as long as it co signs their views.

 

[Aviano90]

Edited my post some, I recognize that I excuse Romo but not Dak, but that is because only one of them showed me play that didn't fall off a cliff once defenses adjusted to his weaknesses. If Dak can give me going forward more good or better play than average or worse then I will start giving him the same benefit of the doubt.

Why does that matter? Dak has weaknesses. He's not as good as Romo. But something is either a valid excuse for both, or a valid criticism for both. Just be consistent.

 

[zrinkill]

Not really.

Yes really

 

[Galian Beast]

Dak has beat good teams through the air, so that statement is false. Has he done it the last half of the season and the 2 games this year..... No he hasn't but doesn't mean he can't

When was the last time he beat a good team through the air?

 

[Philmonroe]

So did he got Gallup in the hands on a deep pass and Gallup dropped it, yes or no

So did he not throw 3/4 passes deep that weren't catchable yes or no?

 

[Philmonroe]

Yes really

Not at all

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

Run along little one, bring a man not a boy next time you want to go toe to toe with me.

The fact is, yardage has nothing to do with whether you're a good or bad QB. 6 times Aikman posted less than 200 yards in the Super Bowl year in 95, and 5 times he posted less than 200 yards in 93, and I'll have to look it up for 92. Yardage has nothing to do with wins/losses if you play smart football, and don't do stupid things to mess up what your defense has done for you.

Now if they had been scoring, and he couldn't keep up, then I would have criticized him based on yardage, because he didn't do what it took to win.

Football 101, go study.

Exactly my point, because if Dak was just throwing it up on Sunday night with the main quest of putting up big stats in hopes of impressing people or proving something and ended up throwing an INT that gave the Giants a score to get them back in the game, then Dak would have been criticizing for losing the game in which the Defense played well.

Obviously if the other offense scores multiple TDs in a game then Dak is going to have to take more risks to keep up with the opposing offense. He played smart football on Sunday night and a bunch of yardage wasn't needed to win that game.

 

[HungryLion]

Except he has on purpose reduced the size of the sample to reflect the numbers he wants. You can look at effective passing and increase the sample by looking at anything under 7 yards per attempt and it won't be as rosy.

Except instead of posting those numbers which you claim aren’t as rosy, you would rather just piss and moan and call Adam out on it? As if he is required to hang around the message board to answer your inquiries.

Also, there’s a large difference between 6.2 ypa and 7.0 ypa. So drawing games from 7.0 ypa wouldn’t be as equal a representation to the performance Dak had on Sunday.

And again, you’re losing stuff of the actual argument being made. He is showing the win percentage for games similar to Dak’s recent game.