Kris Richard dilemma

[aria]

And maybe he would actually deserve it? How is that not a possibility?

Of course it’s a possibility but would you rather not gamble with someone who has a better resume? The guy had great success for 2 years with some of the best players to ever play on the defensive side of the ball. That’s about it and now he’s a position coach or possibly DC in waiting which is exactly where he should be for a few years.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

It's at least some measure of evaluation, would you not agree?

I would agree with that. A very small measure, but a measure nonetheless.

 

[aria]

It's at least some measure of evaluation, would you not agree?

I wouldn’t. Again, what would happen if he became HC and the offense was just as bad or slightly better? Would that be good enough for you to say “he’s our guy”?

Or would you still want him but blame his lack of success on the personnel he’s been given? In other words, what exactly would he have to do in say 7-8 games to convince you he should be the next HC?

Keep in mind, I’m sure any HC would be an upgrade but that doesn’t mean they’re the most qualified.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

I wouldn’t. Again, what would happen if he became HC and the offense was just as bad or slightly better? Would that be good enough for you to say “he’s our guy”?

Or would you still want him but blame his lack of success on the personnel he’s been given? In other words, what exactly would he have to do in say 7-8 games to convince you he should be the next HC?

Keep in mind, I’m sure any HC would be an upgrade but that doesn’t mean they’re the most qualified.

Most people are already convinced he should be the next coach, before he's even done anything to earn it. Our defense is second to last in the league in takeaways and Richard's DB's are last in the NFL in interceptions, but he's already been anointed by most of this board.

 

[aria]

Most people are already convinced he should be the next coach, before he's even done anything to earn it. Our defense is second to last in the league in takeaways and Richard's DB's are last in the NFL in interceptions, but he's already been anointed by most of this board.

I think it’s more due to anger and frustration. You could trot the Easter Bunny out there and people would want him over JG which is understandable but it doesn’t mean it’s the best or wisest choice in the long run.

 

[northerncowboynation]

I think we have a Kris Richard dilemma.

He almost certainly needs to be the next head coach of this team. I would have liked a more experienced head coach, but it probably needs to be him. He has a connection with these defensive players and despite a few positions, they're playing decently well.

The dilemma is that I don't think you can hire a new head coach and then tell them Kris Richard is your defensive coordinator. You just can't do it (Jerry would do it, but it isn't the right move).

So either you elevate Richard or you lose a very talented coach, and maybe the latter is the better move.

Pete Carmichael Jr., Josh McDaniels, and Jim Harbaugh are all very high on my list.

When I think of the lack of experience Richard has, I remember he has a decade of coaching experience compared to the five years experience Garrett had before becoming the head coach. He's also had tremendous success whereas Garrett had not.

My biggest worry with Richard becoming head coach is if he doesn't clean house across the coaching staff.

I think we're anointing Richard far too early. Yes the Legion of Boom was a dynamic secondary in Seattle. Give me 2016 when our offense was clicking and our defense was sitting on the bench. When our D has had to make a stop they have not. Did they play well enough Sunday yes. Did they make THE crucial stop no. Does Richard bring a different attitude, yes. Will that change this team, so far not.

Now, if you tell me that Richard SHOULD be the next HC along with several improvements then I'll buy in. I do not buy in to HC changes being the answer. Ask Oakland fans, Giants fans, and a number of teams who have changed HC's this year with the same results, so far.

 

[Wood]

I think we have a Kris Richard dilemma.

He almost certainly needs to be the next head coach of this team. I would have liked a more experienced head coach, but it probably needs to be him. He has a connection with these defensive players and despite a few positions, they're playing decently well.

The dilemma is that I don't think you can hire a new head coach and then tell them Kris Richard is your defensive coordinator. You just can't do it (Jerry would do it, but it isn't the right move).

So either you elevate Richard or you lose a very talented coach, and maybe the latter is the better move.

Pete Carmichael Jr., Josh McDaniels, and Jim Harbaugh are all very high on my list.

When I think of the lack of experience Richard has, I remember he has a decade of coaching experience compared to the five years experience Garrett had before becoming the head coach. He's also had tremendous success whereas Garrett had not.

My biggest worry with Richard becoming head coach is if he doesn't clean house across the coaching staff.

I would try to offer him DC duties before HC. I almost always lean toward offensive minded HC. But if Dallas does decide on Richard as HC atleast we know these players will be held accountable.

 

[Stash]

Of course it’s a possibility but would you rather not gamble with someone who has a better resume? The guy had great success for 2 years with some of the best players to ever play on the defensive side of the ball. That’s about it and now he’s a position coach or possibly DC in waiting which is exactly where he should be for a few years.

And you still could, that's the beauty of it. Even if you made him interim coach this year, that doesn't mean you can't hire someone else after the season.

 

[aria]

And you still could, that's the beauty of it. Even if you made him interim coach this year, that doesn't mean you can't hire someone else after the season.

I understand that but what would it take for you to say you definitively want him as our next HC? IMO, there would be practically nothing he could do short of winning the SB to convince me he’s the right choice after such a small sample size that will be loaded with excuses.

 

[Stash]

I understand that but what would it take for you to say you definitively want him as our next HC? IMO, there would be practically nothing he could do short of winning the SB to convince me he’s the right choice after such a small sample size that will be loaded with excuses.

OK. It sounds like your mind is made up the other way.

 

[aria]

OK. It sounds like your mind is made up the other way.

Yes, so can you please answer my question? I’m honestly curious.

 

[Stash]

Yes, so can you please answer my question? I’m honestly curious.

Oh, sorry. This is going to sound strange, but what would help to influence my opinion would be what he might do on the offensive side of the ball. If he knew who to bring in and work with Dak (or whatever quarterback) and how to play to this team's true strengths. If by season's end, he and whoever he had as his offensive coordinator had this team simply doing what they do best, that would be enough for me. Because quite frankly I'm tired of watching coaches who still don't have a clue.

 

[Galian Beast]

Seriously? They’re worse this year without Sherman, Chancellor and Thomas, any team would be after taking a hit like that.

Did he personally draft those guys or was he given amazing talent to succeed? Even JG went 13-3 with the best O line and top 5 RB in the league but that doesn’t mean he’s a great coach. Honestly, I’d find it hard to believe most DC’s wouldn’t have had amazing and/or similar success with the roster he had.

Let some other team take a chance on him.

Did you see those draft picks? He developed those guys.

He was given a first rounder in Byron Jones who was seen as a failure and has made him look like a stud.

 

[Galian Beast]

Hmmm, why didn't they pick up 3rd and 1 then? The 4th & 1 was essentially a 4th and 2.

Can't make it every play, but that doesn't mean you don't try. The reality is they've been moving away from running on 3rd and short for some time now.

 

[aria]

Oh, sorry. This is going to sound strange, but what would help to influence my opinion would be what he might do on the offensive side of the ball. If he knew who to bring in and work with Dak (or whatever quarterback) and how to play to this team's true strengths. If by season's end, he and whoever he had as his offensive coordinator had this team simply doing what they do best, that would be enough for me. Because quite frankly I'm tired of watching coaches who still don't have a clue.

Ok, just curious, thanks! BTW, I don’t think it sounds strange.

 

[Galian Beast]

He wasn't even the DC during the LOB, this is completely false.

Better... he was the defensive backs coach...

 

[Stash]

Ok, just curious, thanks! BTW, I don’t think it sounds strange.

Thanks!

 

[Galian Beast]

What? This is asinine. Some of you really need to look outside the Cowboys bubble.

Many of us wanted Richard before he was even hired by the Cowboys, but keep telling yourself that.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

Many of us wanted Richard before he was even hired by the Cowboys, but keep telling yourself that.

Really, you were beating the drum to hire him as head coach after he got fired from Seattle?

 

[Galian Beast]

I would try to offer him DC duties before HC. I almost always lean toward offensive minded HC. But if Dallas does decide on Richard as HC atleast we know these players will be held accountable.

You realize he was already a very successful defensive coordinator for 3 years before coming to Dallas and he is already calling the defensive plays here? Marinelli is the defensive coordinator in name only. This is almost certainly his last year here.