Kris Richard dilemma

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The team with the ball generally determines who wins a game especially in overtime. We gave the ball to the other team.

On the face of it, I agreed, but evaluating things such as success rate, how this team was built, and that this team needs to start winning and playing to win, we should have gone for it.

Except we were inept offensively. This wasn't the 2014 or 2016 or even the first half of the 2017 season offense. The coach is paid to take all factors and make an informed decision. Otherwise, just get rid of the coach and have IBM's Watson determine what to do.
 

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Except we were inept offensively. This wasn't the 2014 or 2016 or even the first half of the 2017 season offense. The coach is paid to take all factors and make an informed decision. Otherwise, just get rid of the coach and have IBM's Watson determine what to do.

If this team can't make a 4th and 1 with a running back drafted 4th overall, 2 pro bowlers, and a 1st round draft pick who slid into undrafted free agency, and a 2nd round draft pick, someone needs to be fired...
 

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Except we were inept offensively. This wasn't the 2014 or 2016 or even the first half of the 2017 season offense. The coach is paid to take all factors and make an informed decision. Otherwise, just get rid of the coach and have IBM's Watson determine what to do.

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I think we have a Kris Richard dilemma.

He almost certainly needs to be the next head coach of this team. I would have liked a more experienced head coach, but it probably needs to be him. He has a connection with these defensive players and despite a few positions, they're playing decently well.

What? This is asinine. Some of you really need to look outside the Cowboys bubble.
 

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Think this is a fallacy.

Richard Sherman - 5th round draft pick
Earl Thomas - 1st round draft pick
Kam Chancellor - 5th round draft pick
Brandon Browner - Undrafted
Byron Maxwell - 6th round draft pick

He created the Legion of Boom and developed that crew that lead that defense to become something great. He was a defensive coordinator for 3 years.

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13th

The reality is that he got scapegoated when the defense started aging out and getting too expensive. 13th ranked defense was enough to get him fired... And they are worse this year without him.

The reality is that the running game wasn't there in seattle anymore to help the defense either.

We have the formula here for him to be just as successful as Seattle if not more so.

He wasn't even the DC during the LOB, this is completely false.
 

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This is a big part of the reason why I'd actually like to else Garrett fired during the season.

To give the head job to Richard and see what he could do with it. If he brings in a guy like Darrell Bevell and they possibly make improvements to an offense that currently has no answers. And just to see if he's truly head coaching material without having to commit to him for several years.

If he has it? Great! You've got your man and a head start on 2019.

If he doesn't? Then you know and have little problem with him staying on as defensive coordinator of your new dad coach wants to keep him, or having him move on entirely.

You cannot accurately grade an interim coach based on midseason performance. Teams almost always perk up and play reinvigorated when a coach is fired midseason. Look what we did under Garrett when Wade got canned.
 

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You cannot accurately grade an interim coach based on midseason performance. Teams almost always perk up and play reinvigorated when a coach is fired midseason. Look what we did under Garrett when Wade got canned.

There are many things to consider in his evaluation other than simply how many wins he can salvage from this wreck. And it's inarguably better than having no evaluation and then trying to decide.
 

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No. Best case scenario, this team was playing for a tie.
So what? A tie is better than a loss. That could be the difference between winning the Division and not this year. That's likely the only way an East team gets into the playoffs and, regardless of what most think, the first objective is getting into the playoffs.

They hadn't moved the ball well all night. They weren't suddenly going to do it with a minute left, if that.

Fair enough, but by the same rationale, what makes you think they were going to be successful in getting a 4th and 2? And then move another 10 yards to attempt a 50 yard field goal that, if successful still doesn't win the game (assuming Houston burns timeouts)?

I'm fully confident that if they had gone for it and failed, we'd have the same loss we do now.

That may be, but all that would change is where the anger is directed.

You handed the ball to a Texans team that ultimately put up 460 yards of offense and gone up and down the field all night

Yes, they put up 460 yards (10% of which was that last drive by the way), but they had time and distance against them at that point.

while not believing in the very thing you've invested your most, best resources in. And you failed.

But those investments were not performing at the level of their investment (well, I guess you could say Dak was performing at his investment level).

Really, the bottom line is there is no right answer. Because they lost, what they did was wrong. I guarantee there would be those ranting that they should've punted had they gone for it and still lost. Obviously not you, but there are no shortage of second-guessers.
 

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You cannot accurately grade an interim coach based on midseason performance. Teams almost always perk up and play reinvigorated when a coach is fired midseason. Look what we did under Garrett when Wade got canned.

Those meaningless 5 wins everyone still raves about?
 

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If this team can't make a 4th and 1 with a running back drafted 4th overall, 2 pro bowlers, and a 1st round draft pick who slid into undrafted free agency, and a 2nd round draft pick, someone needs to be fired...

Hmmm, why didn't they pick up 3rd and 1 then? The 4th & 1 was essentially a 4th and 2.
 

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There are many things to consider in his evaluation other than simply how many wins he can salvage from this wreck. And it's inarguably better than having no evaluation and then trying to decide.

The majority Cowboys fanbase is already treating Richard as if he's some sort of coaching savant. If he were to take over at midseason and motivate the team to scrape together a few wins, Jerry and his idiot son would almost surely hand him the reins.
 

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So what? A tie is better than a loss. That could be the difference between winning the Division and not this year. That's likely the only way an East team gets into the playoffs and, regardless of what most think, the first objective is getting into the playoffs.

You talk as if even that's was some guarantee. It obviously wasn't, was it?

Fair enough, but by the same rationale, what makes you think they were going to be successful in getting a 4th and 2? And then move another 10 yards to attempt a 50 yard field goal that, if successful still doesn't win the game (assuming Houston burns timeouts)?

But an opposing field goal (like they got) then doesn't get you beat either, does it? If I've invested all of this in my offensive line and running game, I'm having the guts to ride with them.



That may be, but all that would change is where the anger is directed.

Maybe but we'd be saying the guy had guts rather than the opposite too.


Yes, they put up 460 yards (10% of which was that last drive by the way), but they had time and distance against them at that point.

Did they? Final results beg to differ.



But those investments were not performing at the level of their investment (well, I guess you could say Dak was performing at his investment level).

And people need to be held responsible for that as well.

Really, the bottom line is there is no right answer. Because they lost, what they did was wrong. I guarantee there would be those ranting that they should've punted had they gone for it and still lost. Obviously not you, but there are no shortage of second-guessers.

Always can be second-guessed. That's about half of what we talk about here.
 

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The majority Cowboys fanbase is already treating Richard as if he's some sort of coaching savant. If he were to take over at midseason and motivate the team to scrape together a few wins, Jerry and his idiot son would almost surely hand him the reins.

And maybe he would actually deserve it? How is that not a possibility?
 

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Think this is a fallacy.

Richard Sherman - 5th round draft pick
Earl Thomas - 1st round draft pick
Kam Chancellor - 5th round draft pick
Brandon Browner - Undrafted
Byron Maxwell - 6th round draft pick

He created the Legion of Boom and developed that crew that lead that defense to become something great. He was a defensive coordinator for 3 years.

Ranks
1st
3rd
13th

The reality is that he got scapegoated when the defense started aging out and getting too expensive. 13th ranked defense was enough to get him fired... And they are worse this year without him.

The reality is that the running game wasn't there in seattle anymore to help the defense either.

We have the formula here for him to be just as successful as Seattle if not more so.
Seriously? They’re worse this year without Sherman, Chancellor and Thomas, any team would be after taking a hit like that.

Did he personally draft those guys or was he given amazing talent to succeed? Even JG went 13-3 with the best O line and top 5 RB in the league but that doesn’t mean he’s a great coach. Honestly, I’d find it hard to believe most DC’s wouldn’t have had amazing and/or similar success with the roster he had.

Let some other team take a chance on him.
 
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