Why Dak still sucks

[lopey]

Complaining about Dak’s play after a win is the same as cheerleading about how great he is or a post after one deep throw, that “who says he can’t throw deep?!? Take that haters..” and so on, except the former brings out actual evidence to support his point.

Congratulations, Dak’s ‘best game’ this season was mediocre, and guys were all open in the passing game and partly dictated by the fact Jaguars were clearly over-pursuing Zeke the whole first half and looked like they didn’t even practice! Yippee!

Let’s start another thread about why Dak not getting 200 yards because the offense wasn’t supposedly trying after the half.. or maybe I should bump all the other ones, while pretending that him not getting 200 yards was never a big deal, though threads specifically tried justifying it for not happening..

You need to stop. Your embarrassing yourself.

 

[CrownCowboy]

I’m not going to say anything negative about yesterday and Dak. We won the game and as much as I want Garrett out of here and a better Quarterback behind center I always enjoy when the boys win.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

THIS JUST IN: Dak couldn't pass for 200 yards against a defense that averages giving up 187 ypc in the air!

Who cares that they destroyed the Jags, this is big news!

Also it's not only on Dak for not getting two hundred yards. He was close to passing for three TDs if Gallup had landed his other foot in bounds. And Jarwin dropped a perfectly passed ball. Just like it's on Dak to work on his accurate throws, it is equally on the WRs to catch catchable balls. When other WRs have made more difficult catches for their QBs than some of the ones Dallas WRs have dropped.

 

[khiladi]

And read options gave been a significant part of the offense the whole year and this idea Dallas hasn’t been calling it for him is bogus. They used it significantly all year and people are pretending like it’s a magical cure all that they just did. It depends on whether Dak chooses to take it or not.

It’s a situational play and depends on the QBs ability to read the defense correctly in real time.

And the Jaguars faced Dak and Zeke for the first time and had no problems adjusting in the second half with Dak.

Dak averaged it like 14 times a game in college in his last two seasons and decent SEC defenses that have familiarity with him, completely shut him down his Senior Year.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

This is Drama Zone material right here

You mean the free thinker zone

 

[Direwolf63]

Boot legs. Roll outs. RPO's. Unplanned scrambles.

This is the only way Dak and the offense can be successful. Dak cannot throw accurately from the pocket on a consistent basis, despite all the efforts of Linehan and Garrett to do so.
If fans want a QB who can throw from the pocket under all circumstances and win games, then Dak isn't your guy. He can't do it.
If fans are OK with Dak doing what he did yesterday, then Dak will be OK. We just need to upgrade the coaching. As well as the WR's and TE's.

Dak is a divisive guy because different fans want different things from their QB. And he is not, nor will he ever will be, a Aaron Rodgers type who is all things to all people. He is not accurate enough from the pocket.

He will never put up elite numbers like Mahomes or Brees. He can't do it. The offense isn't designed to do it anyway. If that's what you expect, you will be disappointed even when they win.

That's what I am reading here.

 

[ESisback]

Oh for God’s sake, can’t we simply enjoy a “W” for a day or two?

 

[InTheZone]

Also remember, this is the first time the Jaguars ever faced Dak and Zeke and their whole first half was riddled miscommunication on defense. After half-time adjustments, they didn’t gave any difficulties.

As I said, Dak’s third quarter struggles are well known. Ten out of 16 games last year, they went scoreless in the third and that includes the games against the Giants and Commanders, who were disasters by the end of the season.

Dak has been bad this year as well in the third, but Dak’s play overall has just been that bad.

2nd half - 4/9, 32 yards, 2 sacks (-10 yards)

We were lucky we were facing Dak 2.0 with our defense, had an effective run game and had a nice lead in the 2nd half. I enjoyed the win, but we need less 2nd half and more 1st half Dak. And I worry we're going to pay top notch money for this.

 

[BoysForLife]

Also it's not only on Dak for not getting two hundred yards. He was close to passing for three TDs if Gallup had landed his other foot in bounds.

I think Dak played well yesterday and stated so in multiple threads but if you're going to play the "almost" game then you have to play it both ways to be taken credibly.

He "almost" lost two fumbles with no one even hitting him, but the balls luckily bounced right back to him.
And he "almost" threw a pick right into someone (I believe Ramsey's) hands that got dropped.

Point is, he had more than a few lucky breaks along the way as well.

Why not just judge him on the final body or work, rather than what "almost" happened, whether good or bad.....

 

[BoysForLife]

2nd half - 4/9, 32 yards, 2 sacks (-10 yards)

We were lucky we were facing Dak 2.0 with our defense, had an effective run game and had a nice lead in the 2nd half. I enjoyed the win, but we need less 2nd half and more 1st half Dak. And I worry we're going pay top notch money for this.

You are not the only one who is quite concerned about the bold.

 

[G2]

And read options gave been a significant part of the offense the whole year and this idea Dallas hasn’t been calling it for him is bogus. They used it significantly all year and people are pretending like it’s a magical cure all that they just did. It depends on whether Dak chooses to take it or not.

It’s a situational play and depends on the QBs ability to read the defense correctly in real time.

And the Jaguars faced Dak and Zeke for the first time and had no problems adjusting in the second half with Dak.

Dak averaged it like 14 times a game in college in his last two seasons and decent SEC defenses that have familiarity with him, completely shut him down his Senior Year.

Just when I thought I read the dumbest post, you go ahead and post again.

 

[Ken]

His receivers do not suck. They are a solid group and have proven that with better QB play.

He doesn't have a Dez Bryant out there but even when he did he made Dez look like a mediocre WR.

Giving Dak a bigtime WR is like giving Grandpa a Ferrari.

LOL.

They have proven that huh? When?

Dez is out of the league...do you have any actual points that are valid?

 

[khiladi]

Boot legs. Roll outs. RPO's. Unplanned scrambles.

This is the only way Dak and the offense can be successful. Dak cannot throw accurately from the pocket on a consistent basis, despite all the efforts of Linehan and Garrett to do so.
If fans want a QB who can throw from the pocket under all circumstances and win games, then Dak isn't your guy. He can't do it.
If fans are OK with Dak doing what he did yesterday, then Dak will be OK. We just need to upgrade the coaching. As well as the WR's and TE's.

Dak is a divisive guy because different fans want different things from their QB. And he is not,
nor will he ever will be, a Aaron Rodgers type who is all things to all people. He is not accurate enough from the pocket.

He will never put up elite numbers like Mahomes or Brees. He can't do it. The offense isn't designed to do it anyway. If that's what you expect, you will be disappointed even when they win.

That's what I am reading here.

Just a couple weeks ago, the Dak homers were saying the coaching needs to throw deep. Now they are saying he needs to run the ball more and not expect him to make throws downfield, because he’s not a pocket passer. Every week the excuses change, unless the team wins after weeks of horrible offense from him. Then it’s about how great he is.

The Giants are absolutely awful this year, but they know Dak. They completely shut him down after his one deep throw he can’t do regularly. The read option only worked when the Giants had to run blitz to try and force a TO at the end. That’s where the read options numbers come in that obfuscate the actual reality. Dak’s success in the read option was predicated on that.

The reality is familiarity by any defense, locks him down. If he’s playing from behind, it’s A long day.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

I think Dak played well yesterday and stated so in multiple threads but if you're going to play the "almost" game then you have to play it both ways to be taken credibly.

He "almost" lost two fumbles with no one even hitting him, but the balls luckily bounced right back to him.
And he "almost" threw a pick right into someone (I believe Ramsey's) hands that got dropped.

Point is, he had more than a few lucky breaks along the way as well.

Why not just judge him on the final body or work, rather than what "almost" happened, whether good or bad.....

As I said yesterday in the game thread. Those types of bounces usually don't go our way, so I'm glad that they did. Sometimes teams have to be lucky in game and yesterday was no different for Dak. Also not the only QB who has had almost turnovers which at the end of the day doesn't count on the stats, especially with a win, and especially with a dominating win.

 

[Direwolf63]

He doesn't need to be Aaron Rodgers. Also, what he did yesterday (on the ground) aint happening over a 16 game season.

No he doesn't need to be Aaron Rodgers. Dak needs to do what he does best. And that is move around the pocket and run 8 to 10 times a game.

Every offense has to play to their QB's strengths or else the offense will fail. Garrett and Linehan have tried to keep Dak in the pocket and run a basic vertical offense. And it's been a failure because Dak can't run it. He isn't accurate enough.

Maybe what happened yesterday can't happen over 16 games. I agree. But it's his best chance to succeed. And the teams best chance this year. Any change at QB will be in the offseason.

I want a new coaching staff next year. And if the new coach wants Dak out and bring in a new guy, I'm fine with it. The new guy will just have to convince Jerry, which will not be easy.

 

[Direwolf63]

Just a couple weeks ago, the Dak homers were saying the coaching needs to throw deep. Now they are saying he needs to run the ball more and not expect him to make throws downfield, because he’s not a pocket passer. Every week the excuses change, unless the team wins after weeks of horrible offense from him. Then it’s about how great he is.

The Giants are absolutely awful this year, but they know Dak. They completely shut him down after his one deep throw he can’t do offensively. The read option only worked when the Giants had to run blitz to try and force a TO at the end.

The reality is familiarity by any defense, locks him down. If he’s playing from behind, it’s A long day.

The bottom line is as long as Dak is the QB, the offense has to be designed to what he does best. That is move around, run for first downs. Get out of the pocket.

I'm fine with a new coach with a new QB. But that won't happen this week. Or next week. Or the week after that. So while Dak is around, let him do what he does best. We saw it for most of the game yesterday.

It's not perfect. Far from it. But it's better than trying to make Dak a pocket passer like he's Troy Aikman. That will never work.

 

[INCowboysFan]

I'm still waiting for @khiladi to show me a game that Weeden played in a dallas uniform where he put up similar ratings that Dak did yesterday...

 

[khiladi]

I'm still waiting for @khiladi to show me a game that Weeden played in a dallas uniform where he put up similar ratings that Dak did yesterday...

He only played in four and played better than Dak in worse circumstances.. and I just told you, based on QBR he was better than Dak..

More yards per game, better completion percentage in a worse situation...

 

[Txbroadcaster]

The bottom line is as long as Dak is the QB, the offense has to be designed to what he does best. That is move around, run for first downs. Get out of the pocket.

I'm fine with a new coach with a new QB. But that won't happen this week. Or next week. Or the week after that. So while Dak is around, let him do what he does best. We saw it for most of the game yesterday.

It's not perfect. Far from it. But it's better than trying to make Dak a pocket passer like he's Troy Aikman. That will never work.

Every offense has to be designed around what the QB does best.

 

[foofighters]

In the third quarter ALONE, Dak THREW it nine times and the tenth was when he broke pocket after spinning into the DT to the right, but escaped for that gain. Dak homers, as justification for the fact he couldn’t break 200 yards passing, are pinning this like the Cowboys just decided to stop passed. Dak tried PASSING around 70% of the time in third quarter and his most successful play was when he broke pocket on a three man rush, almost spinning himself into a sack.

He made one awful throw that should on the almost INT by Ramsey and the other, series when Heath put them at the Jaguars 8, he threw it twice and cane away with a field goal. The problem with the Ramsey throw was that it was right after Kaguars matched up the field and scored a TD, meaning it could have easily shifted the momentum and put it at 24-14 if they had any competent offense. The next field goal was the off worst throw in NFL history by Bortles to Heath.

Then came the fumble by the Jags and Dallas decided they had enough and ran it with Zeke pretty much every time.

The Jaguars basically adjusted after their incompetent first half and Dak was Dak. The defense also got its TOs against this garbage Jags offense that turned it over five times last week and allowed the Cowboys to pull ahead while Dak floundered passing.

The point being Dak couldn’t even break 200 yards passing when he was still TRYING.

I am not crazy about Dak. Ok, so let's get that out first. I also knew your thread was coming today. The lack of 2nd half passing yards were due to other things OTHER than Dak. 1. We got turnovers that gave us a short field, 2. Ball control. Dak is never going to be that QB that throws for 350 yards and 4 TD passes. He's just not. That doesn't mean he sucks. He just needs to be managed. This falls on our coaching more than anything else.