Why Dak still sucks

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I love how bad Tony Romo is in your head. You're so insecure and you get crushed in here everyday yet every single post has a Romeo-Related theme.

He owns you, the board owns you, and yet you continue to embarrass yourself. It's actually quite funny.

Sorry - won't be able to respond until tonight - I'm golfing today - really, I am. :)
I love how I'm in your head. I don't even talk to you but you sure do know me.

Hit'em well. :thumbup:
 

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Of course they did in the first half, which is a testament to how awful they played defensively with all their miscommunications. They had 2 guys rushing once...
So now the standby is that it was Jax was awful? They let us do this right?

Hillarious.

Just stop dude, you sound so petty.

Also...went back and actually watched those 10 passes...2 of them were intentionally thrown away because no one was open, 2 of them went to the useless Hurns who on the almost pick, decided to try and face shield instead of catch the ball...probably because he never turns around ever. The 2nd was another poke in the corner of the end zone that he also never turns around for....if he did...he could have jumped up and possibly scored.

2 more of them were passes to Cole that he was stopped just short of the 1st down marker. A few of the total 10 were in the redzone and it is tough sledding in there.

SO ya..your "he threw it 10 times in the 3rd quarter" bs is just that...no one cares!
 

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Allen Hurns? He's been one of the better #2 WR's in the NFL.. Sucks here.

T. Will? Clutch plays and fantastic statistical seasons in Dallas Pre-Dak. Sucks now.

Cole Beasley? One of the best slot WR's in the NFL.. Still one of the best but has been schemed out against teams and we can't exploit the rest of the field.

Gallup? Rookie but shows promise.

Dez? In a horrible year for his standard he had 70 catches for 850 yards and 6 TD's with a HORRIBLE offensive scheme and a average thrower of the football.
If you think Hurns is one of the better 2's in the league...you are delusional.

It is obvious why Jax cut him...he can't run and runs terrible routes.

Twill lol. His transgressions are now Dak's fault..i see.

I will just let the rest stand on its own. Just say that you are blinded by hate and it would be easier.
 

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So now the standby is that it was Jax was awful? They let us do this right?

Hillarious.

Just stop dude, you sound so petty.

Also...went back and actually watched those 10 passes...2 of them were intentionally thrown away because no one was open, 2 of them went to the useless Hurns who on the almost pick, decided to try and face shield instead of catch the ball...probably because he never turns around ever. The 2nd was another poke in the corner of the end zone that he also never turns around for....if he did...he could have jumped up and possibly scored.

2 more of them were passes to Cole that he was stopped just short of the 1st down marker. A few of the total 10 were in the redzone and it is tough sledding in there.

SO ya..your "he threw it 10 times in the 3rd quarter" bs is just that...no one cares!

They played awful defensively..

We can play the “what if” almost every day. Ramsey should have an INT when Dak threw across his body off the back of his foot.. his two fumbled that he got lucky that bounced to him. There were tons of plays where Dak had WRs running free all day but he didn’t throw it.

Those two to Beasley were checkdowns, because that is what Dak is.. checkdown Charlie when the defense tightens up in the second half. You clearly do care, because of how hard your trying to defend him not being able to move the ball after Jaguars tightened up defensively..

The attempted to throw ten times and Dak needed less than 50 yards to break 200 and he couldn’t do it and the excuse they weren’t trying is a joke. If they weren’t trying they would have run the ball put the gate.

Dak couldn’t even pad his stats when trying..
 

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If you think Hurns is one of the better 2's in the league...you are delusional.

It is obvious why Jax cut him...he can't run and runs terrible routes.

Twill lol. His transgressions are now Dak's fault..i see.

I will just let the rest stand on its own. Just say that you are blinded by hate and it would be easier.


Hurns was one of the better #2 WR's in the league. Injuries have been his downfall.





What WR has been good with Dak? Cole Beasley. That is it.

Dez was amazing considering everything as well.
 

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Hurns was one of the better #2 WR's in the league. Injuries have been his downfall.





What WR has been good with Dak? Cole Beasley. That is it.

Dez was amazing considering everything as well.


What does Hurns history have to do with yesterday? He played like crap yesterday. Gave up on routes. Didn’t turn his head around on a couple balls and even ATTEMPT to catch it.

He played like dog **** yesterday.

And he was never one of the better #2’s in the league. The man made a living catching passes in garbage time on a Jags team that sucked until last year.

He is mediocre at best and wouldn’t be starting for most teams in the NFL.

Hurns barely produced in college which is why he went undrafted. He has since gone on to have one good season in the NFL and everything else has been blah from him.

His athleticism is poor for a receiver.

He is mediocre. He shouldn’t be starting.

Again, not trying to absolve Dak. But all of a sudden this fantasy about our receivers being a good unit is ridiculous. The entire unit is one of, if not the worst in the entire NFL.
 

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What does Hurns history have to do with yesterday? He played like crap yesterday. Gave up on routes. Didn’t turn his head around on a couple balls and even ATTEMPT to catch it.

He played like dog **** yesterday.

And he was never one of the better #2’s in the league. The man made a living catching passes in garbage time on a Jags team that sucked until last year.

He is mediocre at best and wouldn’t be starting for most teams in the NFL.


I don't think you've kept up with our conversation and you just jumped in and said what does history have to do with it.

And yes he was one of the better #2 WR's in this league. You can downplay it however you want but he was.

Most #2 WR's are mediocre at best and my argument was we had a lot of mediocre WR's. They don't suck but they are guys that have been good players in this league like Hurns has been.

Hurns history has nothing to do with his sucking now but I can point to him & T. Will being very productive receivers and answer the question of whether it's a WR problem or a Dak problem.

It's a Dak problem. He makes all X & Z WR's look bad. He will cash in on his slot guys and TE's because that is where he is comfortable throwing the ball but being a X or Z WR in Dallas means you're not going to be very productive.





All of you Dez haters and Dak / Garrett apologists just loved how we would open up the offense and spread it around without Dez. Dak doesn't have to focus on 1 guy.

Jokes on you guys. He never did focus on 1 guy unless that 1 guy was Cole Beasley.
 

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The hilarious thing about Hurns is the Dak-homers were saying he’s going to replace Dez’s production who was the problem with the passing game. Now Hurns sucks and the reason why the passing game blows. Before TWill’s issue this year, they were even attacking him for sucking.

All off-season it was supposed to be Dak improving because he didn’t need a number 1 and would spread the ball around. Even Dak himself said they don’t need a number 1.

He throws primarily in the short middle and the slot.
 

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I don't think you've kept up with our conversation and you just jumped in and said what does history have to do with it.

And yes he was one of the better #2 WR's in this league. You can downplay it however you want but he was.

Most #2 WR's are mediocre at best and my argument was we had a lot of mediocre WR's. They don't suck but they are guys that have been good players in this league like Hurns has been.

Hurns history has nothing to do with his sucking now but I can point to him & T. Will being very productive receivers and answer the question of whether it's a WR problem or a Dak problem.

It's a Dak problem. He makes all X & Z WR's look bad. He will cash in on his slot guys and TE's because that is where he is comfortable throwing the ball but being a X or Z WR in Dallas means you're not going to be very productive.

That and the lack of talent. You said yourself the receiving Corp is pretty good and can get the job done.

They suck, overall. Those are facts. There’s not a team in the NFL that trades receiving corps with the cowboys.
 

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I don't think you've kept up with our conversation and you just jumped in and said what does history have to do with it.

And yes he was one of the better #2 WR's in this league. You can downplay it however you want but he was.

Most #2 WR's are mediocre at best and my argument was we had a lot of mediocre WR's. They don't suck but they are guys that have been good players in this league like Hurns has been.

Hurns history has nothing to do with his sucking now but I can point to him & T. Will being very productive receivers and answer the question of whether it's a WR problem or a Dak problem.

It's a Dak problem. He makes all X & Z WR's look bad. He will cash in on his slot guys and TE's because that is where he is comfortable throwing the ball but being a X or Z WR in Dallas means you're not going to be very productive.

Is that the same reason that Dez was on an elite pace the second half of the 2016 season? And Brice butler and T will had good efficiency with Dak as a rookie.

Last year sucked. Sure. But they were fine in 2016. Didn’t get the ball much because of the amount of running we do. But they did fine with the opportunities given in 2016. More than fine actually.
 

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In the third quarter ALONE, Dak THREW it nine times and the tenth was when he broke pocket after spinning into the DT to the right, but escaped for that gain. Dak homers, as justification for the fact he couldn’t break 200 yards passing, are pinning this like the Cowboys just decided to stop passed. Dak tried PASSING around 70% of the time in third quarter and his most successful play was when he broke pocket on a three man rush, almost spinning himself into a sack.

He made one awful throw that should on the almost INT by Ramsey and the other, series when Heath put them at the Jaguars 8, he threw it twice and cane away with a field goal. The problem with the Ramsey throw was that it was right after Kaguars matched up the field and scored a TD, meaning it could have easily shifted the momentum and put it at 24-14 if they had any competent offense. The next field goal was the off worst throw in NFL history by Bortles to Heath.

Then came the fumble by the Jags and Dallas decided they had enough and ran it with Zeke pretty much every time.

The Jaguars basically adjusted after their incompetent first half and Dak was Dak. The defense also got its TOs against this garbage Jags offense that turned it over five times last week and allowed the Cowboys to pull ahead while Dak floundered passing.

The point being Dak couldn’t even break 200 yards passing when he was still TRYING.

Why do some feel such a desperate compulsion to try and ensure nobody enjoys a win? I don't think anybody is saying this one game elevated Dak into an elite status, or that it magically solved every problem the Cowboys have, but Dak and the team had a very good game. Why can't some leave it at that and just enjoy a win? What the hell is the point of being a fan if you can't enjoy a win in which the team played very well?
 

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That and the lack of talent. You said yourself the receiving Corp is pretty good and can get the job done.

They suck, overall. Those are facts. There’s not a team in the NFL that trades receiving corps with the cowboys.

They are good / mediocre players that look even worse because of Dak.

You give Dak Antonio Brown and Julio Jones and he's still passing for 177 yards, 1 TD, no picks. That's what he is.

Giving Grandpa Dak a Ferrari is a waste.


Remember.. A lot of you applauded how we were going to change the offense and spread the field. You fell for it.

70 for 850 and 6 TD's looks pretty good from where i'm sitting and Dez gave you that in his worst year.
 

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Also Catch and no disrespect to you. We have posted together on message boards for over a decade. So again no disrespect but I believe I could name at least 25 #2 WR’s in the NFL right now, who are better than Allen Hurns.
 

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They are good / mediocre players that look even worse because of Dak.

You give Dak Antonio Brown and Julio Jones and he's still passing for 177 yards, 1 TD, no picks. That's what he is.

Giving Grandpa Dak a Ferrari is a waste.


Remember.. A lot of you applauded how we were going to change the offense and spread the field. You fell for it.

I never did. And I never wanted Dez cut. So lumping me in with other posters is a weak argument.
 

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Is that the same reason that Dez was on an elite pace the second half of the 2016 season? And Brice butler and T will had good efficiency with Dak as a rookie.

Last year sucked. Sure. But they were fine in 2016. Didn’t get the ball much because of the amount of running we do. But they did fine with the opportunities given in 2016. More than fine actually.

Because teams eventually caught on..



Noted analyst Bob Sturm made the above observation after Dallas loss to the New York Giants last Sunday. Bryant showcased his mastery over the Cowboys’ route tree in 2014 so the limitation is not because of him. It’s clear that the team has simplified the variety of routes in the offense to limit the post-snap processing of their rookie quarterback.

In general, this is not a bad thing. The Cowboys have enough talent on offense that they can simplify Prescott’s reads and out-execute the defense on the way to victory. However, simplifying the offense becomes a problem when paired with the rookie’s reticence to make risky, tight window throws.

Teams started to pay attention to the trends even in his best year:

After the cuts, Beasley and Witten are well covered by their defenders. Bryant hasn’t separated much from Janoris Jenkins but he’s got a step and plenty of space in front of him. If Prescott puts the ball out in front of Bryant, Jenkins might be able to disrupt the play but it’s unlikely to cause a turnover.

However, instead of being ready to throw, the rookie quarterback actually pulls the ball back down. He clearly senses the linebacker getting back up but the defender shouldn’t be able to affect the play. At this point Prescott should have made his decision and be in the process of throwing the ball or thrown it already.

https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/20...dak-prescott-must-master-middle-of-the-field/
 

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I'M not mad at those who are just simply happy we played very well and won against a supposed contending team. you should be happy but what i think the o.p is trying to say is that dont annoint him after this win because when you look closely theres still a cause for concern. i know winning cures all but its just for one week. maybe its because we've been struggling for over a year and people are just ecstatic for a win like that.if you're looking at the bigger picture you're still not too sure of dak because of his flaws. i think the way he played yesterday is basically what he is, a scrambling around rpo gamer that'll make a few throws..personally im more of a fan of a guy who throws darts and sprays the field but we have who we have and we just gotta make the best of it.
 

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Stats can lie. That was clearly not the best defensive team in the NFL yesterday. Seattle and the Texans gave us fits and we haven't played the Rams or the Chiefs yet. Check back after we do.
Uhhh...the Chiefs have the 32nd ranked defense in the NFL. I don't think we beat them this year (we did beat them last year) but we would score some points against them.

The Rams are clearly the best team in the game at this moment.
 

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That has nothing to do with the point Khiladi.

The point is this receiving Corp isn’t any good. You guys can blame it all on Dak, that’s fine. I really don’t care. But call a spade a spade. Our best receiver is Cole Beasley who is a slot receiver.

Our best tight end wouldn’t even start for any other team in the NFL.

I have no problem calling out Dak when he plays like crap. I have done it plenty.

But you guys pinning the receivers crappy play, all on Dak’s feet, is bullcrap. They have plenty to do with the sucking. The talent level of our receivers is flat out bad.
 

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That has nothing to do with the point Khiladi.

The point is this receiving Corp isn’t any good. You guys can blame it all on Dak, that’s fine. I really don’t care. But call a spade a spade. Our best receiver is Cole Beasley who is a slot receiver.

Our best tight end wouldn’t even start for any other team in the NFL.

I have no problem calling out Dak when he plays like crap. I have done it plenty.

But you guys pinning the receivers crappy play, all on Dak’s feet, is bullcrap. They have plenty to do with the sucking.

They got these WRs for Dak, for his limitations. Of course we can lay it on Dak, because this is what Dak-friendly means..

Yeah, you can’t blame Dak for wanting to be the starter, but Dak is the root cause of these WRs bring here, even if unintentional..
 
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