Twitter: All 45 Saks on our QB this Season

TWOK11

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Our scheme this year predisposes Dak to a ton of sacks.
 

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Sacks are a team problem right now. OL, Dak, Scheme (although I don't think the Scheme is to blame so much, because we see so many highlights where the receivers run their routes, are covered and start running around - that means that the routes have finished and the QB is still looking, which should be tuck and run or throw away).
I think there were 4 sacks in those videos where he just ran out of bounds rather than throw it away!
 

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Our scheme this year predisposes Dak to a ton of sacks.

Not stepping up in the pocket predisposes Dak to a lot of sacks. With his running ability, he should be even quicker than most to step up in the pocket!
 

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Not stepping up in the pocket predisposes Dak to a lot of sacks. With his running ability, he should be even quicker than most to step up in the pocket!

My view (and this is memory and anecdotal, I don't have time to really watch 41 videos) is that Dak tends to break the back of the pocket too often, especially on deep shotgun drop backs, where even the step up isn't enough because he took an extra step back. Combine that with a natural tendency to try to create (creative plays giveth, creative plays taketh away) you are going to get more sacks.

I don't think every sack is awful but you have to be situational. Don't take them in the opponents side of the field on early downs, EVER. Feel free to take a sack at our 30 on 3rd down. I'd hvae to see his sacks charted to know how bad they are.
 

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11% sack rate, just know this is worst than Romo's worst year (2011 - 6.5%) taking sacks when he had LT Doug Free, LG Montrae Holland, C Phil Costa, RG Kyle Kosier, and RT Tyron Smith (rookie)

And keep in mind this is with a run based offense and the pass game settling for short passes most of the time, even if it's 3rd and long.

Please don't turn this into a Romo thread, just merely pointing out how awful our QB is when it comes to pocket awareness and presnap adjustments. There's no way the current line, even before Smith went out, should be making the pass protection from 2011 look like all pros in comparison. Dak's sack rate should be competing for best in league, not worst in league.
What is the sack rate since Colombo took over? Anyone know?

I mean I'm hard on Dak, but when the team fires the OL coach midseason some blame has to lie with the OL.
 

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Not stepping up in the pocket predisposes Dak to a lot of sacks. With his running ability, he should be even quicker than most to step up in the pocket!

We’ve essentially converted over to the Norv Turner West Coast/Air Coryell hybrid scheme over the last two years. What we’re doing this year is in many ways very different from 2016.

We’re running a lot more deep route combinations and vert concepts to run off defenders and then attacking underneath. Overall our passing scheme is longer developing than most in the NFL these days.
 

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What is the sack rate since Colombo took over? Anyone know?

I mean I'm hard on Dak, but when the team fires the OL coach midseason some blame has to lie with the OL.

23 Sacks against 181 dropbacks (excluding scrambles for positive yardage), so 12.7%.
 

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Decided to download the play by play data from pro-football-reference and chart the situations for each sack. The good news is that of 45 sacks taken, most are taken on the Dallas side of the field. That said, WAY too many are taken on first and second down, especially on the opponent's side of the field. These are drive killers.

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23 Sacks against 181 dropbacks (excluding scrambles for positive yardage), so 12.7%.
Yeah so hard to tell. Also hard to know who should really be doing what when unless you know the plays. I mean I saw some guys open on some of those videos. Also seems like some of those blitzes Dak should recognize presnap.

Tend to be believe stats that suggest sack rate travels with the QB no matter what team they are on.
 

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There's really only one stat that should matter with sacks, and that's time to sack. If it's over 3 seconds (1 one thousand, 2 one thousand, 3 one thousand), I can't think of a single scenario where it's not on the QB.

you nailed it..given this same criteria..hes pressured the 6th most in the nil
 

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With Dak it's 1 of 3 things.

1. He doesn't have the confidence to make tight window throws.

2. He doesn't see the tight window throws.

3. He doesn't think he has the arm talent to make those throws.



He's leading the league in fumbles.

I would like to see him play to his strength and run more. That's what he is. He's not Aikman. He's a poor mans Cam Newton. Just run.

I think Aikman (or was it Witten) hit on it during a broadcast. Dak needs to see a guy open to throw it which helps him keep his INT numbers down but also leads to a ton of sacks.

How many times have we all watched Dak sit in the pocket and you scream out “THROW IT!!!!” as he sits there and double clutches?

He is not a guy that has a feel for the pocket; he’s not comfortable sifting through traffic and stepping up. Instead, he often spazzes out, spins right and runs left. In doing so he takes his eyes off his receivers and he has to reset.
 

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Here are the sacks per year since Travis Frederick took over at center (per pro-football-reference):

2013 : 35
2014 : 30
2015 : 33
2016 : 28
2017 : 32
2018 : 45 (without Travis Frederick)

I think Joe Looney is serviceable in the middle, but I really miss Travis this year.
 

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Here are the sacks per year since Travis Frederick took over at center (per pro-football-reference):

2013 : 35
2014 : 30
2015 : 33
2016 : 28
2017 : 32
2018 : 45 (without Travis Frederick)

I think Joe Looney is serviceable in the middle, but I really miss Travis this year.

The tackles are the problem.

Looney has proven he’s starting caliber in this league.
 

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This tweet thread shows all 45 sacks he took:

Some were Dak's fault, some were OL's fault, some were the receivers' fault. Regardless, he gotta stop taking so many hits.


He? So its Dak who just allows the Dlineman to just run into him? LOL

These posts get more and more hilarious. Up until 2018 and ONLY on a Cowboys forum sacks are now the QB's fault. LOL
 

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The tackles are the problem.

Looney has proven he’s starting caliber in this league.

I'm sure the tackles have added to the problem, but out of 32 starting caliber centers in this league Travis was the best, and I can't help but think the front of the pocket isn't quite as clean with Looney in there. It might not make a difference to a Brees or a Brady, but I bet it's at-least partly to blame for Prescott not stepping up in the pocket the way he should.
 

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Here are the sacks per year since Travis Frederick took over at center (per pro-football-reference):

2013 : 35
2014 : 30
2015 : 33
2016 : 28
2017 : 32
2018 : 45 (without Travis Frederick)

I think Joe Looney is serviceable in the middle, but I really miss Travis this year.

No, Dak has just regressed in his blocking as well as his passing. Nothing to do with the Oline like the trolls are analyzing it to be. :lmao2::lmao::lmao2:
 

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I'm sure the tackles have added to the problem, but out of 32 starting caliber centers in this league Travis was the best, and I can't help but think the front of the pocket isn't quite as clean with Looney in there. It might not make a difference to a Brees or a Brady, but I bet it's at-least partly to blame for Prescott not stepping up in the pocket the way he should.

You can be anywhere from great at escaping pressure to bad at escaping pressure. But ANY way you slice it, PRESSURE is the fault of the Oline. Anyone that says otherwise is either a troll or a complete moron.
 
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