Gallup's numbers should rival Cooper's

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Hey why are we debating anything at all? That’s the same point of view I have.

Wentz.. broken and damaged goods this year. We still need to see if he can bounce back. Injuries can derail a whole career. That’s one thing Dak seems to have, Durability.

Yeah and that's a underrated aspect of Dak's game.....he was a bloody mess in that last game.....and even the game before where his hand was tore up. But he gets back up every time. His body doesn't fail him and that's something that's a great quality to have.
 

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I could see your point but Dak is throwing at a league average on deep balls with missing Gallup. I don't mean Dak isn't adjusting but I feel he is comfortable with Cooper and seeing him go get it and perhaps that throws him off with Gallup. It's a chemistry issue, also the ones to Cooper are to his right and the ones to Gallup are to his left. Remember is preseason the deep ball he hit Gallup on for the TD...... Was on the right side.

I'm sure he is more comfortable with Cooper. It's because Cooper runs such good routes. Dak believes that he can throw the ball to a spot with Cooper and he will be open. With Gallup or other WRs, he doesn't believe that. He is waiting for them to get open and that's what's missing. He isn't throwing them open like he does with Cooper, I would imagine. He is waiting for them to clear and that leaves you with a much smaller window to throw to.

Now, the left/right thing, that might be something. In truth, I have not really studied that so I have no idea what the numbers say on that but that's interesting. That probably merits further discussion. Even so, if that is true, then it only supports the idea that Dak needs to work much harder in the off season with his WRs. He needs to be working way harder if that's the case because that means that he hasn't put in the work to correct the left vs right deep ball and that's really unacceptable to me. He's young so he has time but if that's the case, that better be fixed by next year because that's just a time and effort thing.
 

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Third round draft pick, rookie wide receiver Michael Gallup, is having a tremendous initial season, though you wouldn't know it looking at his numbers. While 27 receptions for 404 yards & 1 TD in 13 games is acceptable for a rookie, this is no ordinary rookie. Gallup has consistently beaten his man for deep balls, only to be overthrown by Dak Prescott. I have little doubt the kid would have caught almost every ball had it not been thrown ten yards past him. He would be looking at close to 40-750-6 if his QB threw to him with the same touch & accuracy he's had with Cooper. If that connection ever gets right, this offense will be very hard to beat, indeed.

Right, because every team in the NFL has two guys averaging over 100 yards and a TD per game (Cooper has since arriving in Dallas).

Except that they don't - not one team has two guys doing that. Odd, considering their QBs never overthrow them on a deep ball. :rolleyes:
 

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I'm sure he is more comfortable with Cooper. It's because Cooper runs such good routes. Dak believes that he can throw the ball to a spot with Cooper and he will be open. With Gallup or other WRs, he doesn't believe that. He is waiting for them to get open and that's what's missing. He isn't throwing them open like he does with Cooper, I would imagine. He is waiting for them to clear and that leaves you with a much smaller window to throw to.

Now, the left/right thing, that might be something. In truth, I have not really studied that so I have no idea what the numbers say on that but that's interesting. That probably merits further discussion. Even so, if that is true, then it only supports the idea that Dak needs to work much harder in the off season with his WRs. He needs to be working way harder if that's the case because that means that he hasn't put in the work to correct the left vs right deep ball and that's really unacceptable to me. He's young so he has time but if that's the case, that better be fixed by next year because that's just a time and effort thing.
When Cooper got traded him and Dak practiced every day. If he did the same with Gallup I think that chemistry would eventually get there. No question he needs to work with the receivers though.
 

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Third round draft pick, rookie wide receiver Michael Gallup, is having a tremendous initial season, though you wouldn't know it looking at his numbers. While 27 receptions for 404 yards & 1 TD in 13 games is acceptable for a rookie, this is no ordinary rookie. Gallup has consistently beaten his man for deep balls, only to be overthrown by Dak Prescott. I have little doubt the kid would have caught almost every ball had it not been thrown ten yards past him. He would be looking at close to 40-750-6 if his QB threw to him with the same touch & accuracy he's had with Cooper. If that connection ever gets right, this offense will be very hard to beat, indeed.

 

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Yep.

There seems to be this new angle where people claim Gallup let up on many of the long throws but I've gone back and watched some of the more recent ones and I just don't see it. Dak simply air mailed him.

And while not a long throw, the worst of the bunch was probably the interception that gave Philly their first TD. Was such a horrendous throw. Gallup was wide open and probably had some YAC potential there but Prescott air mailed him terribly.

It was the last one where they didnt connect. Its a fact. They even replay it and show it during the game. No way you can miss it. And its quite clear to see that had he not stopped, it would have been right in his hands for another long TD. So at the end of the day, Dak missed one out of 4 bombs on the day.
 

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Third round draft pick, rookie wide receiver Michael Gallup, is having a tremendous initial season, though you wouldn't know it looking at his numbers. While 27 receptions for 404 yards & 1 TD in 13 games is acceptable for a rookie, this is no ordinary rookie. Gallup has consistently beaten his man for deep balls, only to be overthrown by Dak Prescott. I have little doubt the kid would have caught almost every ball had it not been thrown ten yards past him. He would be looking at close to 40-750-6 if his QB threw to him with the same touch & accuracy he's had with Cooper. If that connection ever gets right, this offense will be very hard to beat, indeed.

 

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lol your entire post is a straw man.
i didn't put any kind of cap on gallup's ceiling.
deep routes are most definitely his main bag right now; that doesn't mean he hasn't been open on other routes. he has. but he's mainly been missed on deep throws, which are *statistically much more difficult to complete.* he simply does not get the amount of separation cooper does. this is an objective fact - cooper is among the league's best at getting separation. gallup is not.
i don't think he has cooper's upside, tho. few WRs in the league do. but he certainly has a lot of talent, and i think will be very good. cooper is just legitimately one of the best WRs in the league.

do you think dak is just magically much better at throwing cooper the ball than he is throwing to gallup? does that make more sense than coop simply being a much better all-around WR at this point in time than gallup is?
you mean cooper gets 5-10 yards of separation and Gallup doesn't. I assume Dak needs that much separation to complete most of his passes (and over throw some as he does)
 

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What do you mean? Most of his catches were on the right sideline. The two touchdowns were on the right sideline.
Okay, just watched the first TD, down the right side for 28 yards. It wasn't actually quite a sideline throw, but close enough to count it for this discussion.

Just watched the 2nd one, and though the DEs shouldn't have allowed the TD, it was a very nice throw, which led Coop into the field and away from the right sideline.

Okay, in this game, you're right. Dak hit Cooper down the right side on his first 2 TDs.
 
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I think in the end the Gallup pick in the third round will justify not taking Ridley or DJ Moore in the first round.
 

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My only complaint about the missed deep throws is that Dak needs to realize when the receiver has his man beat deep and lay the ball out with a little air under it to allow the receiver to run under it. Deep throws are naturally lower percentage than shorter because it's more difficult to be accurate, and the flatter throws don't allow the receiver the same opportunity to adjust and "go get the ball".
 
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If those two can get on the same page, this is going to be a super sick offense to try and stop. Zeke, Coop, Gallup, those twin TE's, this O-line blocking and Dak's wheels are all dangerous weapons teams will have to account for.
But so far, Dak has missed far too many throws, especially to Gallup. In all honesty it's not terrible and he's doing enough to win. It's the int's and fumbles that have me most worried. He can't do that stuff in the playoffs and expect to win.
 

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Third round draft pick, rookie wide receiver Michael Gallup, is having a tremendous initial season, though you wouldn't know it looking at his numbers. While 27 receptions for 404 yards & 1 TD in 13 games is acceptable for a rookie, this is no ordinary rookie. Gallup has consistently beaten his man for deep balls, only to be overthrown by Dak Prescott. I have little doubt the kid would have caught almost every ball had it not been thrown ten yards past him. He would be looking at close to 40-750-6 if his QB threw to him with the same touch & accuracy he's had with Cooper. If that connection ever gets right, this offense will be very hard to beat, indeed.
Ive actually heard a lot of ex NFL WRs of late blame Gallup on his route running specifically on his deep passes. Greg Jennings, Chris Carter and Michael Irvin. It would explain why Dak has not had any issues connecting with Cooper since day one.
 
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Gallup doesn't need to be thrown open.
I'm sure he is more comfortable with Cooper. It's because Cooper runs such good routes. Dak believes that he can throw the ball to a spot with Cooper and he will be open. With Gallup or other WRs, he doesn't believe that. He is waiting for them to get open and that's what's missing. He isn't throwing them open like he does with Cooper, I would imagine. He is waiting for them to clear and that leaves you with a much smaller window to throw to.

Now, the left/right thing, that might be something. In truth, I have not really studied that so I have no idea what the numbers say on that but that's interesting. That probably merits further discussion. Even so, if that is true, then it only supports the idea that Dak needs to work much harder in the off season with his WRs. He needs to be working way harder if that's the case because that means that he hasn't put in the work to correct the left vs right deep ball and that's really unacceptable to me. He's young so he has time but if that's the case, that better be fixed by next year because that's just a time and effort thing.
There's no right/left thing. Gallup doesn't need to be thrown open, either. When your QB looks your way, & you've beaten your man by five yards & separating fast, it doesn't take Tom Brady to toss the ball up & let you run under it. Have you even watched a Cowboys game this year?! Every game, Gallup whips his man on a slug-go route, you know, stop-start? Then, Dak gets so excited to see a receiver that wide open, he overthrows him by ten yards. This is all Dak. The team selected the best receiver in the draft, & their QB can't hit him with a ten foot pole. They don't have a receiver problem, they have an inaccurate QB problem. Draft an accurate QB, or spend the next decade in total frustration.
 
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Right, because every team in the NFL has two guys averaging over 100 yards and a TD per game (Cooper has since arriving in Dallas).

Except that they don't - not one team has two guys doing that. Odd, considering their QBs never overthrow them on a deep ball. :rolleyes:
Gallup gets wide open down the sideline EVERY game. If Prescott hit him on half of those, the kid would have the best rookie receiving numbers in the league, because he's the best receiver drafted in April. Watch the next game. If Gallup doesn't get wide open down the sideline for a would be TD, I'll come on here & say you're a genius, which you're clearly not.
 

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Okay I may be wrong but could you name the one that he hit Amari Cooper in stride besides the one I mentioned on a long pass
I guess it depends on how many yards you consider a long pass because in the Commanders game that touchdown was about 25-30 yards before going off for 90.
 
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