Nick Carter on Cowherd today about Dak

America's Cowboy said:
Jerry and Stephen already said they are going to give Dak a new contract by season's end, not by the end of 2019 or 2020.

How much is Matt Ryan getting paid per year?
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I wouldn’t have a problem with that, IF...
they sign him for 20 or less. Gotta have money to pay for a quality support system!
 
Two ways to look at giving him a new contract at the end of this year:

1. If you don't, and he plays quite a bit better next year, he's going to cost you more than what you could sign him for this year.

2. If you do, and he doesn't play better, or gets worse, then you've overpaid and hurt your team for the next 2-3 years, until his contract dead money becomes manageable.

It comes down to what you see from him on the field, in practices, in film rooms, and even what other guys do. Lots of older quarterbacks in the league - Brees, Rivers, Rothliesbergher, Manning, Brady. Any one of those guys could tell teams they're only playing another year or two, Rothliesbergher says every year he's thinking of retiring, who knows when he'll be serious? Several new coaches around, maybe they want a young guy they can coach up their way.

Don't think for a minute the rest of the league views Dak like some here do - that he's average at best, won't get any better, gets ample coaching and can't win without loads of top talent around him. He's young, durable, a leader and experienced. That counts for a LOT with coaches, general managers and owners.

When a team pays Kirk Cousins, he of the 26-30-1 record after 2017, $28 million a year, if anybody thinks Dak will take $15-16 mil a year, they're delusional, even if he stays the same as this year.

So make your decision - pay him after this year and secure his services for a "reasonable" rate, or wait and either have to pay him top money or have a very good quarterback walk...
 
LACowboysFan1 said:
Two ways to look at giving him a new contract at the end of this year:

1. If you don't, and he plays quite a bit better next year, he's going to cost you more than what you could sign him for this year.

2. If you do, and he doesn't play better, or gets worse, then you've overpaid and hurt your team for the next 2-3 years, until his contract dead money becomes manageable.

It comes down to what you see from him on the field, in practices, in film rooms, and even what other guys do. Lots of older quarterbacks in the league - Brees, Rivers, Rothliesbergher, Manning, Brady. Any one of those guys could tell teams they're only playing another year or two, Rothliesbergher says every year he's thinking of retiring, who knows when he'll be serious? Several new coaches around, maybe they want a young guy they can coach up their way.

Don't think for a minute the rest of the league views Dak like some here do - that he's average at best, won't get any better, gets ample coaching and can't win without loads of top talent around him. He's young, durable, a leader and experienced. That counts for a LOT with coaches, general managers and owners.

When a team pays Kirk Cousins, he of the 26-30-1 record after 2017, $28 million a year, if anybody thinks Dak will take $15-16 mil a year, they're delusional, even if he stays the same as this year.

So make your decision - pay him after this year and secure his services for a "reasonable" rate, or wait and either have to pay him top money or have a very good quarterback walk...
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I bet other fans and franchices see him as being a lot better than most Cowboy fans do.
 
stasheroo said:
Absolutely right. And I see that as the wisest, most prudent course of action.

Why jump early into a long term contract if:
  1. You're still not sure about the guy
  2. You don't have to?
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If Dak keeps playing decent, as he has been, we'd be wise to give him maybe a 3 year/45 mil offer. Why? Because Dak is improving, and he may get to another level. Hard working kid w/ a great attitude, yeah, he could.
 
Reid1boys said:
Heard this today and could not agree more.

He used Matt Ryan as the line, and said if a qb is above that line, you can pay him bucks... the Rodgers, Brady, Rivers type QBs.

If the QB is below that line, you can not pay the guy like he is a superstar qb... if you pay a below Matt Ryan QB like he is Brady, you are screwed.

Said he would let Dak play next year for his 700 k deal and see what happens and if you need to Franchise him with the non exclusive tag, which would mean if anyone signs him away from you, they have to give up 2 number 1 picks.... and as Carter said, nobody is gonna give up that for Dak.

This was good stuff and i agree 100% As he said, if better than Ryan, pay him. If he is not better than Ryan, you got to be prepared to walk away.
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Of course but Jerry lives in a different world. They’ve already said Dak is simply playing for the size of his contract.
 
kskboys said:
If Dak keeps playing decent, as he has been, we'd be wise to give him maybe a 3 year/45 mil offer. Why? Because Dak is improving, and he may get to another level. Hard working kid w/ a great attitude, yeah, he could.
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That’s a logical and reasonable assessment but I’ll be surprised if Jerry goes that route. There’s hope.
 
LACowboysFan1 said:
Two ways to look at giving him a new contract at the end of this year:

1. If you don't, and he plays quite a bit better next year, he's going to cost you more than what you could sign him for this year.

2. If you do, and he doesn't play better, or gets worse, then you've overpaid and hurt your team for the next 2-3 years, until his contract dead money becomes manageable.

It comes down to what you see from him on the field, in practices, in film rooms, and even what other guys do. Lots of older quarterbacks in the league - Brees, Rivers, Rothliesbergher, Manning, Brady. Any one of those guys could tell teams they're only playing another year or two, Rothliesbergher says every year he's thinking of retiring, who knows when he'll be serious? Several new coaches around, maybe they want a young guy they can coach up their way.

Don't think for a minute the rest of the league views Dak like some here do - that he's average at best, won't get any better, gets ample coaching and can't win without loads of top talent around him. He's young, durable, a leader and experienced. That counts for a LOT with coaches, general managers and owners.

When a team pays Kirk Cousins, he of the 26-30-1 record after 2017, $28 million a year, if anybody thinks Dak will take $15-16 mil a year, they're delusional, even if he stays the same as this year.

So make your decision - pay him after this year and secure his services for a "reasonable" rate, or wait and either have to pay him top money or have a very good quarterback walk...
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I think he might take a 3 year deal for around that amount, as long as you throw in 2019.
 
stasheroo said:
Then why not let 2019 play out and tag him in 2020? That gives you two years at $31 million. Advantage Cowboys.
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That would be the smart thing to do but Jerry won’t .
Why? Because he doesn’t like QB controversies or drama. It’s more difficult to market and promote. Dak has the marketability maybe more than Romo did.

Jerry wants to lock this up and probably longer and for more than we are discussing here. Jerry loves the big splash and he wants to show how right he was with his decision.
 
Diehardblues said:
That would be the smart thing to do but Jerry won’t .
Why? Because he doesn’t like QB controversies or drama. It’s more difficult to market and promote. Dak has the marketability maybe more than Romo did.

Jerry wants to lock this up and probably longer and for more than we are discussing here. Jerry loves the big splash and he wants to show how right he was with his decision.
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IM just curious... what the hell does Jerry need to do to promote the Cowboys? Turn on Cowherd, Skip and Shannon, Carter and wright....... its like half all cowboys talk. You always go back to this and I just dont understand how you dont get it. Cowboys fans watch the cowboys, buy cowboys stuff, get season tickets whether we are winning or losing....... Jerry doesnt need to to anything.
 
Reid1boys said:
IM just curious... what the hell does Jerry need to do to promote the Cowboys? Turn on Cowherd, Skip and Shannon, Carter and wright....... its like half all cowboys talk. You always go back to this and I just dont understand how you dont get it. Cowboys fans watch the cowboys, buy cowboys stuff, get season tickets whether we are winning or losing....... Jerry doesnt need to to anything.
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But he does..
 
Diehardblues said:
That would be the smart thing to do but Jerry won’t .
Why? Because he doesn’t like QB controversies or drama. It’s more difficult to market and promote. Dak has the marketability maybe more than Romo did.

Jerry wants to lock this up and probably longer and for more than we are discussing here. Jerry loves the big splash and he wants to show how right he was with his decision.
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The "Big splash?" lol... so hell, make it a tidal wave, not a splash. If the bigger the contract only is more evidence of Jerry being right... sign him to 200 million.
The only thing that will show Jerry was right is sustained winning... not the size of a contract.
 
LACowboysFan1 said:
Two ways to look at giving him a new contract at the end of this year:

1. If you don't, and he plays quite a bit better next year, he's going to cost you more than what you could sign him for this year.

2. If you do, and he doesn't play better, or gets worse, then you've overpaid and hurt your team for the next 2-3 years, until his contract dead money becomes manageable.

It comes down to what you see from him on the field, in practices, in film rooms, and even what other guys do. Lots of older quarterbacks in the league - Brees, Rivers, Rothliesbergher, Manning, Brady. Any one of those guys could tell teams they're only playing another year or two, Rothliesbergher says every year he's thinking of retiring, who knows when he'll be serious? Several new coaches around, maybe they want a young guy they can coach up their way.

Don't think for a minute the rest of the league views Dak like some here do - that he's average at best, won't get any better, gets ample coaching and can't win without loads of top talent around him. He's young, durable, a leader and experienced. That counts for a LOT with coaches, general managers and owners.

When a team pays Kirk Cousins, he of the 26-30-1 record after 2017, $28 million a year, if anybody thinks Dak will take $15-16 mil a year, they're delusional, even if he stays the same as this year.

So make your decision - pay him after this year and secure his services for a "reasonable" rate, or wait and either have to pay him top money or have a very good quarterback walk...
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Paying him 700k next year, and not 27 million means you have saved 5.3 million or so per year over his next 5 year deal... so if you had o pay him 28 million... well, 5 million of that per year was saved from not paying him next year.
 
Reid1boys said:
The "Big splash?" lol... so hell, make it a tidal wave, not a splash. If the bigger the contract only is more evidence of Jerry being right... sign him to 200 million.
The only thing that will show Jerry was right is sustained winning... not the size of a contract.
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Jerry will make it a bigger splash than most are reasonably and logically suggesting here.

It won’t be this ridiculous reaction you suggested here. But it will be more than a Bortles type contract. Because Jerry believes he has more than that. And wants to promote as such. Don’t believe me just watch.
 
Reid1boys said:
Heard this today and could not agree more.

He used Matt Ryan as the line, and said if a qb is above that line, you can pay him bucks... the Rodgers, Brady, Rivers type QBs.

If the QB is below that line, you can not pay the guy like he is a superstar qb... if you pay a below Matt Ryan QB like he is Brady, you are screwed.

Said he would let Dak play next year for his 700 k deal and see what happens and if you need to Franchise him with the non exclusive tag, which would mean if anyone signs him away from you, they have to give up 2 number 1 picks.... and as Carter said, nobody is gonna give up that for Dak.

This was good stuff and i agree 100% As he said, if better than Ryan, pay him. If he is not better than Ryan, you got to be prepared to walk away.
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I would work on a long-term deal now while Jerry still has leverage. What if he does produce like Matt Ryan next year? Do you give him 30 million? Or do you sign him now while his performing as an average QB would and give him 20 million per. year?

I would sign him now to 20 million with 100 million guaranteed. 140 million contract.
 
Reid1boys said:
lights out is drew brees.
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I hit CRTL+ALT+F7 and my computer automatically prints:

Drew Brees had a bad stretch at the same point in his career as Dak, go check the stats. Also Brees is Saint because the Chargers didn't think he was worth a big contract.
 
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