Garrett has built this team for playoff success

[Coy]

I’m just liking the “shut all you haters up” part of this post.

LOL. I really hope he does.

 

[Sydla]

It doesn’t though. It shows that most coaches/regimes don’t get a lot of time to make an impact in this league. Because not a lot of GMs are also the owner and can afford the luxury of standing by a coach the way Jerry did for Garrett.

But at the same time, in many NFL cities, they change coaches every two or three years and NEVER find guys capable of winning as much as Garrett has already. Those streaks of futility are a lot worse than what you have had inDallas the last seven seasons. You don’t notice them as much because they’re punctuated by three or four different coaching hires and your conditioned to give each new guy a couple of years. But the net result is fewer wins over that span and teams that are in the sidelines right now.

It actually does.

It shows you that of the vast majority of SB winners, they did so within the first 5 years of being on that job. It's a pretty simple, irrefutable fact.

What's funny is that you talk about not many coaches last as long as Garrett, which is true. But when you then prop up Garrett next to those coaches who have coached for long, guess who is at the bottom in terms of winning percentage? Garrett.

His peer amongst those long term coaches? Marvin Lewis.

Let's hope this weekend is a win and at the very least we get a great performance in the NFCCG. Because a loss this weekend simply just is another example of how this Garrett has largely come up short.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

IMO a big turning point was when Jerry passed on drafting Manziel.

 

[cern]

biggest turning point was jerry letting his man in charge of personnel actually be in charge of personnel. that's Stephen i'm talking about.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

biggest turning point was jerry letting his man in charge of personnel actually be in charge of personnel. that's Stephen i'm talking about.

He's helped this team by listening to Stephen, that's for certain.

 

[jazzcat22]

Since when is Garrett in charge of drafting and scouting. I know he has a voice, but he is not the one who built this team.

So he didn't buy the groceries, but he is the head chef doing the cooking.

 

[Rockport]

biggest turning point was jerry letting his man in charge of personnel actually be in charge of personnel. that's Stephen i'm talking about.

So it was Stephen’s vision to build from the trenches out and not Garretts?

 

[cern]

He's helped this team by listening to Stephen, that's for certain.

and Stephen listens to mcclay.

 

[cern]

So it was Stephen’s vision to build from the trenches out and not Garretts?

yes. in conjunction with advice/input from will mcclay. the year we took freddy, there was the war room fight because garrett wanted sharif Floyd(sp). glad Stephen won out and we took freddy. too many equate Stephen to jerry. I don't see it that way. Stephen's a much better man to do the contracts and choose the personnel. he doesn't get personally involved like his dad.

 

[Rockport]

yes. in conjunction with advice/input from will mcclay. the year we took freddy, there was the war room fight because garrett wanted sharif Floyd(sp). glad Stephen won out and we took freddy. too many equate Stephen to jerry. I don't see it that way. Stephen's a much better man to do the contracts and choose the personnel. he doesn't get personally involved like his dad.

I never heard that he wanted Floyd. You have a link to that or just throwing it out to see if it sticks?

 

[cern]

I never heard that he wanted Floyd. You have a link to that or just throwing it out to see if it sticks?

when I was a kid and came across a word I didn't understand, my dad would tell me to look it up in the dictionary. never ask him. I don't do others homework for them. if you find the info yourself, it will stick. if not, you'll just forget.

 

[Rockport]

yes. in conjunction with advice/input from will mcclay. the year we took freddy, there was the war room fight because garrett wanted sharif Floyd(sp). glad Stephen won out and we took freddy. too many equate Stephen to jerry. I don't see it that way. Stephen's a much better man to do the contracts and choose the personnel. he doesn't get personally involved like his dad.

You don't understand how teams are built obviously. The head coach sets the vision of how he wants his team to be. The GM and scouting department find the type of players he wants.

 

[Rockport]

when I was a kid and came across a word I didn't understand, my dad would tell me to look it up in the dictionary. never ask him. I don't do others homework for them. if you find the info yourself, it will stick. if not, you'll just forget.

Just what I thought.

 

[cern]

You don't understand how teams are built obviously. The head coach sets the vision of how he wants his team to be. The GM and scouting department find the type of players he wants.

could you provide a link to the book entitled how to build an nfl team?

 

[Rockport]

could you provide a link to the book entitled how to build an nfl team?

Jason is writing it now. Pay attention.

 

[Sydla]

As I recall the Floyd incident, the scouts and Jerry and Jason were on board with the scouts on taking Floyd. Marinelli wasn't sold on Floyd and thought he wasn't the right fit for his defense and as the rumors go, Stephen sided with Marinelli and was able to talk his dad out of making that pick and making the trade.

That draft is why some in the media have said the Cowboys moved McClay to a more prominent role in the front office. Jerry and Stephen wanted someone who could bridge the gap between the scouts and the coaches and filter all the information. With the set up the Cowboys had with the owner as the GM, there was no guy involved in the day to day workings of a traditional GM - the guy who would bridge the gap between scouts and coaches. McClay was made that guy.

There was also some chatter that the previous draft also factored in this. Scouts said Claiborne was the next Deion whereas some of the defensive coaches wondered if he was a fit for their defense. Jerry went with the flash and dash of Claiborne, siding with the scouts over the coaches.

 

[Rockport]

yes. in conjunction with advice/input from will mcclay. the year we took freddy, there was the war room fight because garrett wanted sharif Floyd(sp). glad Stephen won out and we took freddy. too many equate Stephen to jerry. I don't see it that way. Stephen's a much better man to do the contracts and choose the personnel. he doesn't get personally involved like his dad.

Anyways, drafting Floyd would’ve been “building from the trenches out” which I stated in the OP.

 

[Idgit]

It actually does.

It shows you that of the vast majority of SB winners, they did so within the first 5 years of being on that job. It's a pretty simple, irrefutable fact.

What's funny is that you talk about not many coaches last as long as Garrett, which is true. But when you then prop up Garrett next to those coaches who have coached for long, guess who is at the bottom in terms of winning percentage? Garrett.

His peer amongst those long term coaches? Marvin Lewis.

Let's hope this weekend is a win and at the very least we get a great performance in the NFCCG. Because a loss this weekend simply just is another example of how this Garrett has largely come up short.

Let me ask it this way: how many teams, other than Dallas, have a situation where they'd realistically keep a long-term coach on through a significant roster rebuild and not cave to the market pressure to bring in somebody new? DAL, PIT, maybe GB. CIN just did it. There aren't that many spots where it's going to happen at all. When it's a practical impossibility in 75% of the league, and much of the other 25% of the league is actually happy with their situation, you don't have anything to compare it to.

 

[CCBoy]

As a HC, I hate Garrett with a passion (sorta kidding) but if we win on Saturday and better yet get to the SB then he would basically shut all of us haters up.
Right now, he`s done nothing more than what he did in 2014 and 2016, with a very easy schedule might I say.

At least two games deep in the playoffs for three of the past five seasons?

 

[Idgit]

LOL. I really hope he does.

It's been a long time since we've been relevant in late January. It makes sense that the natives are restless.

I just wish I felt better about this game this week.