Win vs. Rams Change the Narrative?

IveI been critical of Dak in the past but he keeps proving himself over and over, in big time clutch moments.

Having never seen the Cowboys in an NFC championship game all my adult life (became a fan in 2001) it would certainly go a long way. I think he's the best long term answer at QB.
 
The narrative has already changed on Dak.

The OP is just slow because his earlier take on Dak turned out to be so embarrassingly inaccurate.

He’s a MONSTER in the clutch and a flat-out winner... which is exactly what his supporters have been saying all along. Hmm.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...tt-now-has-led-nine-fourth-quarter-comebacks/

Since 1994, which is as far back as Pro Football Reference goes on this particular stat, Prescott leads the league in career passer rating when tied or trailing by eight points or fewer in the fourth quarter or overtime.

He has a 109.7 passer rating in that situation, leading all quarterbacks who have at least 100 attempts when tied or trailing by one score in the fourth quarter or overtime. In fact, no other quarterback has a passer rating above 100 with Andrew Luck (97.7), Tony Romo (95.4), Russell Wilson (93.8), Ben Roethlisberger (93.3) and Drew Brees (92.4) trailing.
 
As for Garrett I will say Jerry has stuck with him and if he can manage to get this team to a SB then he will have earned those chances. This team he is currently coaching is his, there are no players he has inherited he would have built this team from the ground up.
 
Zman5 said:
People will discredit Dak saying playing in LA is like playing a home game.
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I don’t see how. It’s precisely why I’d give both (Garrett and Dak) judos if they beat the Rams in LA. Regardless of how our fans show up in LA, that’s a high stakes road game.
 
CalPolyTechnique said:
I don’t see how. It’s precisely why I’d give both (Garrett and Dak) judos if they beat the Rams in LA. Regardless of how our fans show up in LA, that’s a high stakes road game.
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He's dog whistling to the extreme Dak fans. If they win I doubt more than 1% of fans if that would say such wildness. Some focus on the vocal minority for some reason.
 
Nav22 said:
The narrative has already changed on Dak.

The OP is just slow because his earlier take on Dak turned out to be so embarrassingly inaccurate.

He’s a MONSTER in the clutch and a flat-out winner... which is exactly what his supporters have been saying all along. Hmm.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...tt-now-has-led-nine-fourth-quarter-comebacks/

Since 1994, which is as far back as Pro Football Reference goes on this particular stat, Prescott leads the league in career passer rating when tied or trailing by eight points or fewer in the fourth quarter or overtime.

He has a 109.7 passer rating in that situation, leading all quarterbacks who have at least 100 attempts when tied or trailing by one score in the fourth quarter or overtime. In fact, no other quarterback has a passer rating above 100 with Andrew Luck (97.7), Tony Romo (95.4), Russell Wilson (93.8), Ben Roethlisberger (93.3) and Drew Brees (92.4) trailing.
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Thanks for stepping outside the Piggly Wiggly to type that. Now get back in there boy. That food can’t cook itself.

Git...
 
CalPolyTechnique said:
Thanks for stepping outside the Piggly Wiggly to type that. Now get back in there boy. That food can’t cook itself.

Git...
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”HAS THE NARRATIVE CHANGED, GUYS???? Am I the only idiot who couldn’t properly analyze our clutch stud of a QB???”

Don’t worry, Mr. Inferior. You weren’t alone.
 
For Dak, I think it certainly could. Heck, I think that's already changed to a certain extent. For Garrett, I'm not certain that it would change things that much. I think he would probably have to show continued success and that would have to be seasons that are better then .500, failures in big games at the end of the season or early exits from the playoffs.

The problem for Garrett, as I see it, is that most NFL fans and Media view this team as a great Defensive unit. They don't see us as an Offensive power and Garrett, right or wrong, is considered an Offensive Mind. The success is likely going to credited Richard and Marinelli, rather then Garrett.
 
As far as QB, other teams have won SB's without Tier 1 QB's so unless Dak stepped out beyond the team to perform, he's still a Tier 2 QB but that's not bad. More teams with Tier 2 QB's have won rings than with Tier 1's when they've built the team around them.

As far as Garrett is concerned, some are already beyond the point of no return on him and don't want him under any circumstances. I am more or less resigned to him being the DC HC.

If the Cowboys get to the NFCC game, that's a big step; however, their performance, or his performance as the decision maker will determine if I start to shift on my dislike of him as HC. His last questionable decision, a 58 yard FG attempt, in a field position game is still an example of how not to coach. Even if that gets made, the odds say keep the other team as deep in their own field as possible in a game like that. There is aggressive coaching and irresponsible coaching and that was the latter.

What's the only universal good thing any say about him? His team plays hard for him. What teams do you see laying down? Even the fired coaches had their teams playing hard because they're all on film and if they lay down, they will get called out on it. Remember that pick that Zeke didn't chase? Are they playing hard for him or that paycheck? Someone is always watching every player on that field and laying down is easy to spot.
 
CalPolyTechnique said:
“Our clutch stud of a QB.” — things a fanboi says

Thanks for the material Wyotech!

:lmao2:
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Yeah, I’d be embarrassed too, SLO child. It’s okay.

Nick Foles has fully exposed your man-crush as the LOSER that he is.

Oops! Turns out there’s more to the QB position than draft status! Who knew???
:laugh:
 
stasheroo said:
I would choose to use the word "improve" rather than "change". A win would undoubtedly raise the stock of both for anyone being reasonable. I can't criticize someone for not accomplishing things and then not give them credit when they do accomplish something. And defeating the #2 team in the NFC on the road and getting to the NFC Championship would be a huge accomplishment for both.
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Regarding the bold, I think circumstance would have a lot to do with it.

Meaning--let's say Dak plays poorly (180 yards, 1 TD on a run, 2 or 3 INT) and we still somehow win a close game because our defense creates a lot of turnovers, Zeke goes insane, and we get a ST touchdown from Tavon.

would it be unreasonable to still not change the narrative on Dak?

I think a win, period, under any circumstances, certainly changes the narrative on Garrett. Even in the circumstance above, if the team manages to win a game despite a bad performance from a key player, that would only amplify JG as a coach imo.

I just want the Cowboys to win, but if we do it in spite of a really bad game from the QB, I don't see how it's unreasonable for the criticism to continue. JMHO
 
CalPolyTechnique said:
Someone (Idgit?) brought up the topic whether a Super Bowl changes the narrative of Dak and Garrett which I want to revisit in a slightly different way.

For you, would a win this Saturday against the Rams resulting in our first conference championship appearance in 20+ years change the narrative of Dak and/or Garrett?

For me, it would assuming Dak contributes anything more than just Trent Dilfer type performance. It would also change my perspective on Garrett as he would have helped brought this team from the brink of a lost season (3-5) to making a deep playoff run.
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I think it would have to. Scrub coachs dont make the NFCG. With Dak for as bad as he can look at times, he is really gaining a reputation as a guy that ultimately turns up when its need to get done
 
BoysForLife said:
Regarding the bold, I think circumstance would have a lot to do with it.

Meaning--let's say Dak plays poorly (180 yards, 1 TD on a run, 2 or 3 INT) and we still somehow win a close game because our defense creates a lot of turnovers, Zeke goes insane, and we get a ST touchdown from Tavon.

would it be unreasonable to still not change the narrative on Dak?

I think a win, period, under any circumstances, certainly changes the narrative on Garrett. Even in the circumstance above, if the team manages to win a game despite a bad performance from a key player, that would only amplify JG as a coach imo.

I just want the Cowboys to win, but if we do it in spite of a really bad game from the QB, I don't see how it's unreasonable for the criticism to continue. JMHO
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I’ll gladly concede your point. Certainly.
 
Future said:
Not for me.

Garrett will still suck.

Dak could change the narrative, but only in the way he plays, not in whether or not he wins. I don't and never have doubted his intangibles, but even if they win 5 SBs in a row, if what Dak does is handoff 30 times and complete short, conservative passes, it won't change my perception.
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I suspect that even though you still wouldn't feel good about Garrett (I wouldn't be convinced myself) you might at least ease back on the criticism until we see how things are going next year. Obviously it would be hard to argue that a trip to the NFC championship game wouldn't be a step forward, but the question would be whether it was an anomaly, or actually marked a change for the better going forward.
 
CalPolyTechnique said:
Someone (Idgit?) brought up the topic whether a Super Bowl changes the narrative of Dak and Garrett which I want to revisit in a slightly different way.

For you, would a win this Saturday against the Rams resulting in our first conference championship appearance in 20+ years change the narrative of Dak and/or Garrett?

For me, it would assuming Dak contributes anything more than just Trent Dilfer type performance. It would also change my perspective on Garrett as he would have helped brought this team from the brink of a lost season (3-5) to making a deep playoff run.
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A win means Dak automatically jumps Romo on the checker board in only his 3rd year.

Romo sure set that bar high for an 11 year bid!
 
CalPolyTechnique said:
Someone (Idgit?) brought up the topic whether a Super Bowl changes the narrative of Dak and Garrett which I want to revisit in a slightly different way.

For you, would a win this Saturday against the Rams resulting in our first conference championship appearance in 20+ years change the narrative of Dak and/or Garrett?

For me, it would assuming Dak contributes anything more than just Trent Dilfer type performance. It would also change my perspective on Garrett as he would have helped brought this team from the brink of a lost season (3-5) to making a deep playoff run.
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Maybe it would uncross my eyes!!!
 
OmerV said:
I suspect that even though you still wouldn't feel good about Garrett (I wouldn't be convinced myself) you might at least ease back on the criticism until we see how things are going next year. Obviously it would be hard to argue that a trip to the NFC championship game wouldn't be a step forward, but the question would be whether it was an anomaly, or actually marked a change for the better going forward.
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Not really. He doesn't get any more out of players than their natural talent allows, and I can't imagine that's going to change. The guy has 0 impact on game day.

His greatest accomplishment, basically, is convincing Jerry to draft OL.
 
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