Jerry on playoff success: The great Tom Landry had criticism for years

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Different time period, Jerry. Look at the Super Bowl-winning coaches since the salary cap began. What all but one of them have in common is that they won a Super Bowl within their first five years with a team.

If it’s your job to turn something around in three years with measurable progress each season, you don’t have the luxury of a long leash for your coach. Or even a medium leash.

Similarly, nobody wants to talk about the long string of failures you often get flipping HCs every three years and how that compares, on average, to the stability and production Dallas has gotten out of Garrett.

I’m not sure why that is.
 

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If it’s your job to turn something around in three years with measurable progress each season, you don’t have the luxury of a long leash for your coach. Or even a medium leash.

Similarly, nobody wants to talk about the long string of failures you often get flipping HCs every three years and how that compares, on average, to the stability and production Dallas has gotten out of Garrett.

I’m not sure why that is.
Because it isn’t relevant. “Stability”, what a tool.

The worst team in football wouldn’t hire him as a QB coach , let that sink in.
 

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Oh no, he did it. He said it.



Laundry did have a rough start and the label that the Cowboys couldn't win the big-one was over his and the teams head after losing 2 championships against GB and two playoff games to the Browns and then the debacle SB 5 where we literally gave the Colts the win. Then in 1972 the curse was broken with our hands down win vrs the fins 1972.
In base Jerry comments are historically correct but the last Carrot years are not even Close coaching and talent wise to what laundry had built or to his coaching genius. You know if the Cowboys would have won those 2 GB games good chance the Lombardi trophy would be name the "Laundry Trophy" today......

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Laundry did have a rough start and the label that the Cowboys couldn't win the big-one was over his and the teams head after losing 2 championships against GB and two playoff games to the Browns and then the debacle SB 5 where we literally gave the Colts the win. Then in 1972 the curse was broken with our hands down win vrs the fins 1972.
In base Jerry comments are historically correct but the last Carrot years are not even Close coaching and talent wise to what laundry had built or to his coaching genius. You know if the Cowboys would have won those 2 GB games good chance the Lombardi trophy would be name the "Laundry Trophy" today......

After Tom Laundry?
 

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Because it isn’t relevant. “Stability”, what a tool.

The worst team in football wouldn’t hire him as a QB coach , let that sink in.

It’s relevant. You just won’t see it. Which is why you’re incredulous as to what’s really going on with the Cowboys staff. Every year I sit through this garbage. Every year I point out why it’s foolishness and suggest what’s more likely to happen instead. Every year I’m proven right. And every year you guys act like the opposite is true and that the more reasonable explanation is that the billionaire businessman doesn’t know a capable man when he employs one. It’s like clockwork.

No offense, but your take’s so bad it’s not worth letting sink in.
 

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its hard to respect a man's opinion on coaching, who once said "500 coaches could coach this team" as he fired/accepted the resignation/came to a mutual agreement on the current 2 time defending Super Bowl Champ coach he currently employed in 1994.
Very TRUE indeed --Jimmy took the team which was the worst in the NFL in 1989, we had the 1st pick in draft-Troy, and 5 years later has the Cowboy's as Super Bowl champs---How do you say that, and how do you let Jimmy walk away. Worst move of Jerry Jones in his whole life.:hammer::hammer::hammer:
 

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If it’s your job to turn something around in three years with measurable progress each season, you don’t have the luxury of a long leash for your coach. Or even a medium leash.

Similarly, nobody wants to talk about the long string of failures you often get flipping HCs every three years and how that compares, on average, to the stability and production Dallas has gotten out of Garrett.

I’m not sure why that is.

2 wildcard wins over a decade, what great production and stability that represents!!!

Where should we put Garrett’s statue outside ATT stadium, to the left or right of Landry’s?
 

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2 wildcard wins over a decade, what great production and stability that represents!!!

Where should we put Garrett’s statue outside ATT stadium, to the left or right of Landry’s?

Again. We have issues in Dallas. They extend a lot farther than Jason Garrett’s tenure. We’re closer than we’ve been in years right now.

Until the issues get addressed, your results aren’t going to change. You guys are rooting for change, but not progress. And you don’t even know it. Do it your way and you’re buying three or more years of more futility, only with a different face on it.
 

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If it’s your job to turn something around in three years with measurable progress each season, you don’t have the luxury of a long leash for your coach. Or even a medium leash.

Similarly, nobody wants to talk about the long string of failures you often get flipping HCs every three years and how that compares, on average, to the stability and production Dallas has gotten out of Garrett.

I’m not sure why that is.

Perhaps because the data doesn't support the long list of failures flipping coaches, at least not on the Super Bowl level. The data shows that success happens quickly for Super Bowl-winning coaches or not at all.

That doesn't mean there aren't plenty of failed experiments at coach for every team, just that you have to keep trying until you find the right fit for this current age of NFL football.

Now, the argument can be made that a lot of coaches simply don't make it as long with one team as Garrett has, but still there's no evidence to support that that method works, other than the lone exception during the salary cap era, Bill Cowher.

Right now, the NFC coaches vying to go to the Super Bowl are one who took his team to an NFC Championship Game his first year and won a Super Bowl in his fifth and one who is in his second season as a head coach. They fit the pattern.

In the AFC, you've got a coach who won his first title in his second year with his team and one who took his team to the NFC Championship Game in his second year and the Super Bowl in his sixth. (If Andy Reid wins a Super Bowl, he will join Cowher as anomalies.)

What some are hoping Garrett can do doesn't fit the pattern. Let another coach see if he can be the next one to be the right fit at the right time. And if not, move to the next one after a few years.
 

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Is Jones wanting to alienate the fans that have been around since the 60s? I remember Landry being criticized for not winning the big one, but not for never getting there.

There was absolutely significant criticism and very few people gave a rat's behind that we were an expansion team. The team had not progressed at all from '61 to '64 and even regressed. There was tremendous pressure after '64 that Landy just couldn't get it done and needed to go. Clint squelched that by giving Landry a 10 year extension. It was a bold and quite unpopular move. It took 7 years after for the team to reach the pinnacle. And during that time, the team and Landry had the reputation as "next year's champions". There was absolutely no shortage of fans and media that thought that Landry had taken them as far as they could go and he "couldn't win the big one".

Way too many people color their present view through the hindsight prism.

The point is Jerry is correct in his basic premise, which is how does one know with absolute certainty the result of any move. What if Clint had been swayed by popular opinion and not extended Tom? Maybe they win a championship sooner, maybe they never do. That's the issue Jerry is now facing with Garrett. Maybe pulling the plug on Jason right now produces a championship, but maybe it doesn't where staying the course does. If Jerry keeps Jason, as it certainly looks like will happen, it'll be because he believes that's the best course to win a championship. That's really no different than those that believe the team will never win a championship as long as Jason is HC. Both are subjective based on what one believes.

Just to be clear, and I'm going to put this in hypothetical 3 inch headlines - I am not a Garrett lover, nor am I a Garrett hater. I personally have nothing invested in whether he stays or goes. I will say though that I absolutely believe we have as good a chance as anybody to play in the Super Bowl next year even though we haven't recently. It doesn't mean we will.
 

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he doesn't care , he knows he made a big mistake and he's trying to bully his way out of it. Such a sad little man. If I was JG I think the embarrassment of Jones statement would force me to retire, how can he work for a deluded fool like that.
5 million plus a year takes care of a lot of embarrassment.
 
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