FTF: Eric Mangini: What do the Cowboys have to do to take the next step

[America's Cowboy]

Do you realize that Dak is going to want 25 mil a year. The difference between Dak and Mahomes is being able to pay a top safety. I would rather have mahomes and go cheap at safety than Dak and that star safety for the Chargers.

Dak is more than good enough. He proved it many times this season alone, including playoffs. There are bigger needs on this team to keep it playoff competitive and even take it a step further. Dak will very likely get paid between $20 - $23 million per year. That will leave the team some money to address several other positions of need. Sure as heck beats having to pay any QB $35 mil/year, while not having any money to afford a competitive playoff team.

 

[Hadenough]

Dak is more than good enough. He proved it many times this season alone, including playoffs. There are bigger needs on this team to keep it playoff competitive and even take it a step further. Dak will very likely get paid between $20 - $23 million per year. That will leave the team some money to address several other positions of need. Sure as heck beats having to pay any QB $35 mil/year, while not having any money to afford a competitive playoff team.

The team is built already! At this point they have to pay the guys they have and there isnt going to be money to bring in a bunch of FAs. This is pretty much as good as they are going to get. Lawrence is going to want 17 mil a year and Amari is going to want 16 mil a year, Dak is gonna want 24 mil a year. Next year Zeke is gonna want 15 mil a year and Gregory and Jaylon next year are gonna want 12 mil a year next year. There are a lot of guys that are going to want to get paid and you cant keep them all.

 

[Bullet22]

Figure in no state tax in Texas...There is your discount...

 

[America's Cowboy]

The team is built already! At this point they have to pay the guys they have and there isnt going to be money to bring in a bunch of FAs. This is pretty much as good as they are going to get. Lawrence is going to want 17 mil a year and Amari is going to want 16 mil a year, Dak is gonna want 24 mil a year. Next year Zeke is gonna want 15 mil a year and Gregory and Jaylon next year are gonna want 12 mil a year next year. There are a lot of guys that are going to want to get paid and you cant keep them all.

Agreed. One of them will get let go. Guarantee it won't be Dak.

 

[sunalsorises]

Figure in no state tax in Texas...There is your discount...

Does the lack of state income tax really end up being a significant amount of money? I know players have to pay state income tax in every state where they play, which seems very odd to me. At any rate, players who play in states with no state tax save that money for 8 games but how much does that really come out to be?

 

[Blackrain]

And I knew this day would come when you haters start complaining, HE.

I was really hoping for an enjoyable offseason on CZ. Too good to be true.

I hear you Brother , We have 6 months of constant whining about Dak , Could you imagine if he was human and had a turnover . How about one that ended the season . It will just start building now the exaggerations and predictions till the season starts next year then all the same fools will fight like crazy to defend there negative predictions LOLOL

We will just wade through the crap and enjoy some intelligent football talk with KSK and Bob Haze in the mean time

 

[Mobinvans]

If it were me, I would make Dak play another year on his rookie contract and look for another cheap QB, saves 20 million dollars.

Our offense is terrible anyway

 

[visionary]

This is ridiculous!

In 3 years, guess how much Mahomes is going to demand? Answer: The most expensive contract in all of the NFL!!! The Chiefs will either have to pay him or cut/trade him. What's going to happen to the Chiefs then? No Super Bowl trips that's for sure.

You should be grateful we have a pretty darn good "game manager" who should be able to accept much lesser pay than top dollar in order to enable the Cowboys to field a financially competitive team around him which would guarantee many playoff trips for years to come. Once there, they would have a chance every year to make a Super Bowl trip. It for sure won't happen for the Chiefs once Mahomes has to be paid!

Just stop it

You want a worse player at the most critical position in the NFL because you would have to pay him?

I've heard some pretty stupid statements on thus board but this one is at the top

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

That cap analysis was simplistic and misleading. You can’t just subtract the AAV of a player’s contract from available cap space. Most of these contracts will be structured so that the upfront cap hit will be significantly less than the AAV (with much of the cap hit, and additional dead money if the player is cut before the end of the contract, pushed to the future).

If the Cowboys want to add pieces in FA they can do so. It’s a question of whether they think the immediate benefit to the team of doing so is worth mortgaging a bit of the future.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Just stop it

You want a worse player at the most critical position in the NFL because you would have to pay him?

I've heard some pretty stupid statements on thus board but this one is at the top

Your Dak hatred is known. Dak is getting signed for a very long time. Deal with it and try being a little constructive towards what else needs to be done to help this team go further next season. Dak isn't going anywhere. That's a fact!

 

[JeffInDC]

What is so hilarious about this post is that some of you really don’t understand the salary cap AT ALL!!!!! The ‘Boys have almost $55M in cap space next year - this figure ALREADY INCLUDES Cooper’s $13+M option and doesn’t even figure if Lee is returning or not. If he retires, that ADDS $7M to the cap ($62M). Now, with $62M in cap room, you can extend Cooper and actually LOWER his cap hit anywhere from $3-5M. Then, even if Dak gets a deal averaging $20M, THAT DOES NOT mean his cap hit next year is $20M.

In other words, no one on that set really knew what the heel they were talking about......especially when Dallas has $120+M in 2020. THEY CAN DO PRETTY MUCH WHATEVER THEY WANT!!!!!

 

[dragon_mikal]

Your Dak hatred is known. Dak is getting signed for a very long time. Deal with it and try being a little constructive towards what else needs to be done to help this team go further next season. Dak isn't going anywhere. That's a fact!

Then the team isn’t going anywhere. If that makes you happy good for you.

 

[TexasHillbilly]

Does the lack of state income tax really end up being a significant amount of money? I know players have to pay state income tax in every state where they play, which seems very odd to me. At any rate, players who play in states with no state tax save that money for 8 games but how much does that really come out to be?

In New York it is about 4500 bucks on 100,000. To me thats a lot of money.

 

[visionary]

Your Dak hatred is known. Dak is getting signed for a very long time. Deal with it and try being a little constructive towards what else needs to be done to help this team go further next season. Dak isn't going anywhere. That's a fact!

You said something pretty stupid and got called for it

Next time think before posting

 

[dlobell]

Bingo! I wouldnt pay Dak because of the reasons you stated and I wouldnt pay Zeke because he has a 5 th year option and the dude is going to worn out. Just not worth being saddled to a worn out RB for 4-5 years.

So his entire existence on the team is wasted!!

 

[sunalsorises]

In New York it is about 4500 bucks on 100,000. To me thats a lot of money.

Bumping the zeroes over would mean it's $45K on $1 million which is significant to me because I don't have an extra $45K lying around. I can't imagine when negotiating contracts and bidding against other teams that $45K times whatever multiple of millions being paid tips the scales to one team over another. I'm not trying to be a contrarian. I hear the state tax argument all the time in for all of the sports and I actually wonder how much money that comes out to be. For baseball or basketball when we are talking 81/42 games I guess it can add up but for football I don't think it does as much.

 

[America's Cowboy]

You said something pretty stupid and got called for it

Next time think before posting

Take your hate somewhere else. The only one stupid here is you believing Dak is not getting signed for a long term contract. Dak is here to stay. Now, be a grown up and accept it like a good fan.

 

[TexasHillbilly]

Then the team isn’t going anywhere. If that makes you happy good for you.

He didn't say anything about being happy, it's just a fact. Jerry is going to pay Dak whether we like it or not. The same goes for JG.

Now, can't we just get along?

 

[conner01]

Bingo! I wouldnt pay Dak because of the reasons you stated and I wouldnt pay Zeke because he has a 5 th year option and the dude is going to worn out. Just not worth being saddled to a worn out RB for 4-5 years.

Zeke is a unique situation
You have the 5th year option but you could sign him now and be out of the contract by the time he’s 28

 

[visionary]

Take your hate somewhere else. The only one stupid here is you believing Dak is not getting signed for a long term contract. Dak is here to stay. Now, be a grown up and accept it like a good fan.

This has nothing to do with Dak

Go back and read your post and mine in response

Esp at the QB position you want the best player you can get even if you have to pay top dollar . It is never 'better' to have a worse QB just because you can pay him less. NEVER