Jason Garrett - Where's the love?

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In my opinion, the proper way to look at Jason "The Clapper" Garrett is this comparison.

There are 6 head coaches in the NFL that have been in their current position since 2010 (in order of shortest tenure)

Jason Garrett (8 seasons) - 3 playoff berths, 3 division titles
Pete Carrol (8 seasons) - 7 playoff berths, 4 division titles, 2 conference titles, 1 Super Bowl title
John Harbaugh (10 seasons) - 7 playoff berths, 3, division titles, 1 conference title, 1 Super Bowl title
Mike Tomlin (11 seasons) - 8 playoff berths, 6 division titles, 2, conference titles, 1 Super Bowl title
Sean Peyton (12 seasons) - 7 playoff berths, 5 division titles, 1 conference title (still alive for #2), 1 Super Bowl title (still alive for number 2)
Bill Belichick (18 seasons) 16 playoff berths, 16 division titles, 8 conference titles (still alive for #9), 5 Super Bowl titles (still alive for number 6)

Let's see...only one hasn't at least reached the conference title game and only one hasn't reached (and won) the Super Bowl.

When The Clapper does something that merits love, he will get it.

 

[DallasEast]

https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nfl/dallas-cowboys/article162517788.html

“I had such respect for coach Tom Landry,” Jones said. “I was motivated to be a part of this organization, the Cowboy organization and the NFL in no small part because of coach Landry. Yet, probably no one has had more criticism . . . than what I got when I basically made the change to coach Landry and asked Jimmy Johnson to come in and be the coach. That is just in my mind an illustration of the hard decisions that sometimes you have to make doing the right thing possibly for the greater good of the team.”



There you have it. For current change, it will be necessary for one investor or a group of investors to pony up between $8 and $18 billion as (in the voice of Marlon Brando), "An offer Jones cannot refuse."

 

[HowardC]

 

[Brax]

“I had such respect for coach Tom Landry,” Jones said. “I was motivated to be a part of this organization, the Cowboy organization and the NFL in no small part because of coach Landry. Yet, probably no one has had more criticism . . . than what I got when I basically made the change to coach Landry and asked Jimmy Johnson to come in and be the coach. That is just in my mind an illustration of the hard decisions that sometimes you have to make doing the right thing possibly for the greater good of the team.”



There you have it. For current change, it will be necessary for one investor or a group of investors to pony up between $8 and $18 billion as (in the voice of Marlon Brando), "An offer Jones cannot refuse."

Can't he just say that about Garrett as he shows him the door.

 

[DallasEast]

Can't he just say that about Garrett as he shows him the door.

Jones did not say that at the close of the 2015 season. Why would he say it now after Garrett coached a playoff team that won a game in the postseason? Who hand-picked Garrett?

It is common for some people to think Jones should do what they think he should do. However, Jones will do as he has always done and will do what he thinks is best for the franchise and him.

 

[Brax]

Jones did not say that at the close of the 2015 season. Why would he say it now after Garrett coached a playoff team that won a game in the postseason? Who hand-picked Garrett?

It is common for some people to think Jones should do what they think he should do. However, Jones will do as he has always done and will do what he thinks is best for the franchise and him.

do agree, response was rhetorical, have a great off season.

 

[Idgit]

Dude the Rams players came right out and told us! What are you talking about??? They said throughout the week they studied film and knew exactly what the defensive line was going to do based on their set up?? How do you not get that? THAT'S COACHING! Garrett wouldn't look for something like that to save his life, he relies on beating the guy across from you, not scheming up a great gameplan like finding little things the Rams do on defense that will expose them.

Yeah. I heard that. And heard what Garrett had to say about it in response. I think both are pretty credible. Teams look for tells, both by formation and by looking at the players. Teams self-scout the same way and both teams go into games with things they want to try. It's not exactly news that they thought they saw some things on offense to exploit. I'm sure we felt the same way.

The Rams were definitely prepared for us, which is what you'd expect from a good coaching staff and a good team with a first round bye. That game still was very much in reach up until the 4th and 1. This wasn't a run-away playoff loss. And the issues we had in the running game were more than just the OL getting a quick start because they guessed the game that was coming properly. They had our guys on skates. That was the actual issue for the defense.

Then again, we knew going in that this team got into the red zone on 44% of their possessions all season. That doesn't happen unless you have a lot of really good players. It's an insane red zone rate. Our fans who thought we'd smother their offense are guilty of wishful thinking. Or ignorance. This game was always going to come down to red zone defense and takeaways. We didn't take it away, and we didn't stop them enough in the red zone.

 

[Idgit]

Yeah, if they knew our tendencies like the Rams offensive line said they did, then yes, I could see them blowing us off the ball play in and play out, if they don't have to think many times throughout the game which way our defensive lineman is going, it makes it a whole lot easier sir.

It'd be an advantage. You still have to move them out of the way.

What was the explanation for how well they picked up the outside pressure, then? The reports were about the DT positioning, but I didn't see a lot of edge pressure, either. Maybe they're just good?

 

[Ddisco22]

As JJ said yesterday, had JG been fired, it would have taken him a minute and a half to find a new job. Let's look at JG in an historical perspective. He was young (45) when he took the team over. He has a decent sample size of games coached to assess his career to date, so how does his winning percentage stack up with some of the greats of the game? It is worth noting that, aside from Belichick, no other coach had a HOF QB that was willing to leave over $100m on the table to help their team win.

Jason Garrett's win percentage is .566. That puts him either statistically tied (within 3%) or better than the following list of coaches:

Bill Parcells (HOF)
Chuck Knoll (HOF)
Dan Quinn
Marv Levy (HOF)
Mike Ditka (HOF)
Ron Rivera
Jimmy Johnson
Mike Shanahan

He's within striking distance of (all less than .600)

Pete Carrol
John Harbaugh
Mike Zimmer
Mike Holmgren
Hank Stram
Don Coryell

The point is that fans tend to look at the latest 'boy wonder' or some other nonsense and they think that:

1. These guys grown on trees
2. That these new coaches that have been successful in the short term will also be successful in the long term. That's FAR from a guarantee.

As an example, Cowboy fans LOVED Jimmy Johnson after he started winning, but there was some serious hate flowing through the Cowboys fan universe after his first two seasons. He had an amazing run with Dallas, then shuffles off to Miami and manages just one 10 win season in four years. He had 11 win and 13 win seasons and a Super Bowl in his first four years with Dallas and arguably started with a lesser team before the talent flowed in like a water fall. Much of that great talent was a product not necessarily of luck, but of being at the right place at the right time (move a draft pick one position and the results might have been radically different, or don't take a chance on a troubled player like Haley and we might have won no SBs during his tenure).

The point is this: Jason Garrett is not an elite coach yet, but he IS a damn good coach. You're free to think he isn't, but you'd be wrong.

The over/under for Dallas this year was 8 games. It will be 8 or 9 next year with the schedule we play. The NFL has structured their league for parity, so if a coach can dodge losing seasons in our current era, he's done a good job.

Pete Carroll had 2 winning seasons during his first 6 years.
Belichick was an awful coach before he got Brady.
Chuck Knoll (HOF) had ONE 10 win season in his last 12 seasons.
In the 3 comparable years during his coaching career (2016-18 for Garrett), Bill Cowher went 7-9, 6-10, 9-7 and only had one 12 win season before that. JG has had 2 seasons with more wins.

You'd be wise to thank the coaching gods that JG is our coach. I look forward to many wininng seasons with him at the helm.

He can have more wins during the season than any other coach, no one cares. fans and teams only care about post-season wins. That's the ultimate goal and if you don't reach that goal you're not considered a great coach.
No one cares about having a winning season if you can't win in the playoffs. As a fan, a player and even a coach post season wins is what matters, yeah it's all good and dandy that we get 10 wins but once the reg season is over that no longer matters.

I can remember when the Rams were here in St. louis, their division winners would make the playoffs with 8 or 9 wins, does that make them a great team with a great coach?
just saying.
Honestly my issue with the cowboys has been the same for years, it's the same bland scheme and play calls in crucial situations. This is where I feel our coaches FAIL big time, the lack of adjustments when necessary and on many occasions poor clock and play management.

 

[DCowboyz]

If coaches were measured for their regular season play then yes, JG would be a great coach. He's only had 1 losing season in 8 years. Playoffs? Not so much.

 

[Coy]

In my opinion, the proper way to look at Jason "The Clapper" Garrett is this comparison.

There are 6 head coaches in the NFL that have been in their current position since 2010 (in order of shortest tenure)

Jason Garrett (8 seasons) - 3 playoff berths, 3 division titles
Pete Carrol (8 seasons) - 7 playoff berths, 4 division titles, 2 conference titles, 1 Super Bowl title
John Harbaugh (10 seasons) - 7 playoff berths, 3, division titles, 1 conference title, 1 Super Bowl title
Mike Tomlin (11 seasons) - 8 playoff berths, 6 division titles, 2, conference titles, 1 Super Bowl title
Sean Peyton (12 seasons) - 7 playoff berths, 5 division titles, 1 conference title (still alive for #2), 1 Super Bowl title (still alive for number 2)
Bill Belichick (18 seasons) 16 playoff berths, 16 division titles, 8 conference titles (still alive for #9), 5 Super Bowl titles (still alive for number 6)

Let's see...only one hasn't at least reached the conference title game and only one hasn't reached (and won) the Super Bowl.

When The Clapper does something that merits love, he will get it.

 

[G2]

I said at the beginning of the season considering all of the changes that we would be 9-7 / 10-6 and if we at least win a playoff game, then that is a pretty damn good season.
Well, we won the division and won a playoff game. What's even crazier is that we did it from 3-5.
I want a differently run offense. A new OC.

 

[Sydla]

Yeah. I heard that. And heard what Garrett had to say about it in response. I think both are pretty credible. Teams look for tells, both by formation and by looking at the players. Teams self-scout the same way and both teams go into games with things they want to try. It's not exactly news that they thought they saw some things on offense to exploit. I'm sure we felt the same way.

The Rams were definitely prepared for us, which is what you'd expect from a good coaching staff and a good team with a first round bye. That game still was very much in reach up until the 4th and 1. This wasn't a run-away playoff loss. And the issues we had in the running game were more than just the OL getting a quick start because they guessed the game that was coming properly. They had our guys on skates. That was the actual issue for the defense.

Then again, we knew going in that this team got into the red zone on 44% of their possessions all season. That doesn't happen unless you have a lot of really good players. It's an insane red zone rate. Our fans who thought we'd smother their offense are guilty of wishful thinking. Or ignorance. This game was always going to come down to red zone defense and takeaways. We didn't take it away, and we didn't stop them enough in the red zone.

We got out coached and out talented.

That’s the reality. If you want to put some spin on it where Garrett did a really nice job Saturday night and was just a poor victim of facing a more talented team, well have at it.

 

[LovinItAll]

Seems like most people missed the point.

First, our offense didn't lose the game Saturday. Some of the Garrett haters in this thread were calling for Richard to be promoted to head coach. Richard was responsible for our defense Saturday night. How do you like him now? The Rams won by a TD. There always has to be a winner. It was them this time. They played a better game.

Do you remember why Jimmy Johnson left Dallas?

Because JJ said, 'There are 500 coaches who could win a Super Bowl with this team.'

And he was right. Barry effen Switzer did it, and Troy is on record talking about that experience. Jason Garrett would've won three SBs if he'd been the coach after Johnson left.

Aside from the other HoF position players we had, we also had a QB, RB, and x Receiver that are now in the HoF. Let that sink in. In almost THIRTY YEARS under Landry - widely regarded as one of the game's best coaches of all time - we won 2 SBs, so if winning SBs is your ultimate measuring stick, good luck with that.

We don't have Aikman, Smith, and Irvin. We don't have Novacek. We don't have the brick wall of an offensive line we had then. I like our defense, but it's not the early '90s defense. We have what we have. There are no Troy Aikmans available. We can go 0-16 two years from now and get...who?...the Clemson QB? No guarantee he'll be a stud. Remind me....where was Brady picked in the draft?

You don't like Garrett and Prescott? That's your right, but get used to it. Whining like little brats who just had their pacifiers taken away isn't going to change anything. Support our team or find another one. I promise you won't be missed.

 

[vlad]

His team just got crushed. Difficult to tell who won and who lost. Well actually not difficult to tell, just would be wrong

 

[LovinItAll]

Yeah. I heard that. And heard what Garrett had to say about it in response. I think both are pretty credible. Teams look for tells, both by formation and by looking at the players. Teams self-scout the same way and both teams go into games with things they want to try. It's not exactly news that they thought they saw some things on offense to exploit. I'm sure we felt the same way.

The Rams were definitely prepared for us, which is what you'd expect from a good coaching staff and a good team with a first round bye. That game still was very much in reach up until the 4th and 1. This wasn't a run-away playoff loss. And the issues we had in the running game were more than just the OL getting a quick start because they guessed the game that was coming properly. They had our guys on skates. That was the actual issue for the defense.

Then again, we knew going in that this team got into the red zone on 44% of their possessions all season. That doesn't happen unless you have a lot of really good players. It's an insane red zone rate. Our fans who thought we'd smother their offense are guilty of wishful thinking. Or ignorance. This game was always going to come down to red zone defense and takeaways. We didn't take it away, and we didn't stop them enough in the red zone.

The game was still in reach when the Rams converted 3rd and 6 with lead legs Goff running for a first down. He was NEVER going to throw there and tucked and ran ten yards from the 1st down marker.

We were in the game all night. We got beaten by a better scheme and a more physical football team. It happens.

 

[jsb357]

His team just got crushed. Difficult to tell who won and who lost. Well actually not difficult to tell, just would be wrong

It's that dreaded just happy to be here smile...

 

[LovinItAll]

His team just got crushed. Difficult to tell who won and who lost. Well actually not difficult to tell, just would be wrong

Aww....do sad faces make y'all feel better?

SO dumb.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Look here dear boy. He seems like a delightful chap and all, and he is good at motivating this team. I'll give him credit where it's due. Also, he's done well against our division rivals overall. However, the sticky wicket here is that he's been since mid-2010 as HC, and he's had quite a bit of talent to work with. He's a mediocre coach, and, while I hope that he does get us to the NFCC and better, the history is showing that what we did on Saturday may very well be the best we do under him. I'd love for him to prove me wrong, but I want a coach that's not just successful in the regular season, but successful in the postseason as well. I also think that the system he's running doesn't work anymore, and it doesn't help our QB very much. Now, maybe if Dak starts playing more instinctively, we might have a chance at doing better, but as it stands now, I think we do need a better HC to take that next step.

 

[SoupcanSam]

As JJ said yesterday, had JG been fired, it would have taken him a minute and a half to find a new job. Let's look at JG in an historical perspective. He was young (45) when he took the team over. He has a decent sample size of games coached to assess his career to date, so how does his winning percentage stack up with some of the greats of the game? It is worth noting that, aside from Belichick, no other coach had a HOF QB that was willing to leave over $100m on the table to help their team win.

Jason Garrett's win percentage is .566. That puts him either statistically tied (within 3%) or better than the following list of coaches:

Bill Parcells (HOF)
Chuck Knoll (HOF)
Dan Quinn
Marv Levy (HOF)
Mike Ditka (HOF)
Ron Rivera
Jimmy Johnson
Mike Shanahan

He's within striking distance of (all less than .600)

Pete Carrol
John Harbaugh
Mike Zimmer
Mike Holmgren
Hank Stram
Don Coryell

The point is that fans tend to look at the latest 'boy wonder' or some other nonsense and they think that:

1. These guys grown on trees
2. That these new coaches that have been successful in the short term will also be successful in the long term. That's FAR from a guarantee.

As an example, Cowboy fans LOVED Jimmy Johnson after he started winning, but there was some serious hate flowing through the Cowboys fan universe after his first two seasons. He had an amazing run with Dallas, then shuffles off to Miami and manages just one 10 win season in four years. He had 11 win and 13 win seasons and a Super Bowl in his first four years with Dallas and arguably started with a lesser team before the talent flowed in like a water fall. Much of that great talent was a product not necessarily of luck, but of being at the right place at the right time (move a draft pick one position and the results might have been radically different, or don't take a chance on a troubled player like Haley and we might have won no SBs during his tenure).

The point is this: Jason Garrett is not an elite coach yet, but he IS a damn good coach. You're free to think he isn't, but you'd be wrong.

The over/under for Dallas this year was 8 games. It will be 8 or 9 next year with the schedule we play. The NFL has structured their league for parity, so if a coach can dodge losing seasons in our current era, he's done a good job.

Pete Carroll had 2 winning seasons during his first 6 years.
Belichick was an awful coach before he got Brady.
Chuck Knoll (HOF) had ONE 10 win season in his last 12 seasons.
In the 3 comparable years during his coaching career (2016-18 for Garrett), Bill Cowher went 7-9, 6-10, 9-7 and only had one 12 win season before that. JG has had 2 seasons with more wins.

You'd be wise to thank the coaching gods that JG is our coach. I look forward to many wininng seasons with him at the helm.

He still sucks.

Wait...............is Garrett still here?

I still want another coach. I'm not satisfied at all with garrett.

He may have buttered you up after a few wins, but not me. He has to go