Belichick can win with anything

[Chocolate Lab]

Art Modell relocated the team to Baltimore in 1996 and Bill was subsequently fired. It wasn't because of his coaching.

He turned that franchise around so much that it sparked a documentary. They were 11-5 and made it to divisional in 95'.

The claim that he was a failure in Cleveland is one of those falsehoods told so often it becomes the truth to some.

People should watch that Football Life on those teams. Modell's surprise move of the team was what killed that final season and got BB fired.

 

[Rayman70]

Without Brady, BB is just a good coach...and visa versa. The 2 go hand and hand. PB & J. BB cannot win without a QB like Brady...and Brady cannot win and play this long without a HC/SYSTEM like he plays for.

 

[sean10mm]

Here's Belichick in a nutshell: most of his defensive game plan was coverages they hadn't used all year, because he knew McVay would spend all his time studying this year's film.

That said, no coach has won multiple titles without a quality QB. Brady is a HUGE luxury because he means you have one of the best QBs in the league playing 16+ games every season for years on end. Even in a "bad" game he put together two back-breaking 4th quarter drives against an opposing defense practically built to beat him with interior pressure. Against Brady the best DT combination in football simply did not matter in the crunch.

Landry had Staubach, Johnson had Aikman, Walsh had Montana and Young, etc., etc.

 

[IheartRomo]

He really is just worlds better than anybody else. I truly thought McVay was the only coach on a level similar to Belichick and he got absolutely schooled.

This is exactly why it seems so depressing to continue on with Garrett. We can win all the regular season games in the world - when it comes down to the best teams with the best coaches, Garrett will ALWAYS and I mean ALWAYS get outclassed. Not just a Belichick type (the GOAT) but anyone in that top 10-12 coaches tier absolutely whoops Garrett when it matters. It's a pointless endeavor to continue this way.

 

[camelboy]

He is up their with the greatest coaches ever. But I don't like the different eras comparison. BB is coaching a different game from the one Landry, Noll, Gibbs, Walsh, and even Jimmy coached in.

While everybody loves to lay praise on BB for achieving all this in free agency era, I say free agency gave him the advantage. While it is working in some way in the NFC, it is totally dysfunctional in the AFC.

Free agency puts emphasis on management, coaching, and solid QB. When perfected you get the NE Patriots.

Dallas is average on all areas and that is why we are stuck. Same for the majority of team in the NFL, where they cannot get the balance right. NE amazingly (with some luck) have it set and maintained for a long time. Some teams get it right for a few years and they compete consistently for 2-4 years (see GB few years ago, Seatle recently). NE is maintaining this structure for a long time and they are blessed with a horrible conference and more horrible division to help them more. I say the closest during their era is Baltimore except they did/do not have a solid QB like NE. When Chargers beat Baltimore I said NE are the happiest side for this result. Baltimore are the only team who keeps beating NE in the playoffs when they get there. But they are missing consistent solid QB'ing.

NE have the BEST coach in football now and the best QB (in terms of dedication, hunger, commitment, and loyalty in addition to his skills that I rank top 10 all time). And their management is superior to all others.

I hate losing solid good coach more than a whole team. To me a great coach is worth a whole team.

Despite all the scandals, and questionable incidents, you have to give them credit for reaching this level of excellence

 

[CATCH17]

Except the Browns...

He almost got them to the post season. He was turning them around.

 

[CATCH17]

I saw what he did in Cleveland. Nothing to review Cleveland was winning in 1988 and and 89, bad season in 90. He had 1 season above 500 and his last 5-11. Fact is he has not won jack without Brady that is fact not spin. Brady has led many comebacks that is on him. I give Belicheck his dues but it is a lot easier winning with a QB like Brady who has pulled their butts out of the fire on many occasions. Now one more time what has Belicheck won without Brady as his QB?

He hasn't won a championship but he also hasn't really had an opportunity.

The one time he didn't have Brady he went 11-5 with Matt Cassel who was Matt Leinarts backup in college but missed the playoffs.

He also has a winning record in NE without Brady and constantly trades the backup QB for something because they play well.

 

[CATCH17]

He really is just worlds better than anybody else. I truly thought McVay was the only coach on a level similar to Belichick and he got absolutely schooled.

This is exactly why it seems so depressing to continue on with Garrett. We can win all the regular season games in the world - when it comes down to the best teams with the best coaches, Garrett will ALWAYS and I mean ALWAYS get outclassed. Not just a Belichick type (the GOAT) but anyone in that top 10-12 coaches tier absolutely whoops Garrett when it matters. It's a pointless endeavor to continue this way.

Garrett is just too easy to defend.

With Garrett we just have to impose our will on teams. It takes about 5 minutes to put a gameplan together against us.

 

[JoeKing]

Brady scored him 13 whole points yesterday. And that was enough.

Oddly enough, his only kryptonite seems to be Eli Manning.

No, his only kryptonite is head coaching in Cleveland.

 

[Doomsday101]

He hasn't won a championship but he also hasn't really had an opportunity.

The one time he didn't have Brady he went 11-5 with Matt Cassel who was Matt Leinarts backup in college but missed the playoffs.

He also has a winning record in NE without Brady and constantly trades the backup QB for something because they play well.

let me start by saying I do think he is a very good coach just stressing it makes a difference having a Tom Brady who when the chips are down he is one of the last QB you want to face. Give him the ball with 1 possession to win the game and more times than not Brady pulls the rabbit out of his hat. I think Brady has had a lot to do with the success of the Pats and Belichick and I would think when Brady retires Belichick will follow. Many suspect the same from Sean Payton when Brees hangs them up.

 

[Pape]

I would think when Brady retires Belichick will follow

56 is the reason why that won't happen I'm thinking.

 

[Doomsday101]

56 is the reason why that won't happen I'm thinking.

56?

 

[Pape]

56?

Belichick is 55 games behind Shula for most wins, regular season/playoffs.

56 puts him on top

 

[erod]

You can cry out loud all you want FACT what has he won without Brady???? Not a damn thing and that is FACT not spin. Name me one fricken thing he has won without Brady? You can't because he has not won.

He won a few for Parcells.

He's had Brady for 20 years. Hard to judge him "without" Brady.

Brady did NOT win that game yesterday. Belichick did.

 

[Pape]

He won a few for Parcells.

He's had Brady for 20 years. Hard to judge him "without" Brady.

Brady did NOT win that game yesterday. Belichick did.

The TEAM won yesterday ... coaches, players etc. Everyone had a hand in that victory.

You can be the greatest coach ever, but if the players don't perform, you lose
You can have the greatest players on the field, and if the coaches **** the bed, you lose.

 

[mahoneybill]

While Dallas ponders the contracts for Cooper, Zeke, Dak, Byron, Tank, Jaylon, and possibly Earl Thomas or another high-priced free agent.....

The Patriots win with nobody.

Aside from Gilmore and Chung, who are the highly-paid stars on New England defense? No big names on the defensive line. No real linebackers who are stars outside of maybe Hightower.

No big-name wideouts. Running back by committee. Gronk misses half their games.

The Patriots keep doing this with a constant churn on their roster, rarely paying anybody with big contracts. They spent money on their secondary this year, but that's pretty much it.

Belichick is just ahead of everyone. Time after time, he beats these star-studded teams with his band of gypsies, tramps, and thieves.

Kansas City was held scoreless until halftime. The Rams were held to 3 points for a game. The Chargers got run off the field in nothing flat.

And let's face it, Tom Brady is a shadow of his former self.

In a league supposedly wrought with "parity" and salary-cap restrictions, the Patriots have put up the greatest dynasty of all time. And I hate them, so that's hard to say.

It's as if Belichick could take the Bills next year, and they'd win the Super Bowl. He's just that much better.

Time after time, he beats these star-studded teams with his band of gypsies, tramps, and thieves.

Line of the day. Worth a thousand likes

 

[Doomsday101]

Belichick is 55 games behind Shula for most wins, regular season/playoffs.

56 puts him on top

Brady says he plans on playing until 45 so that give Bill 4 more years. lol

 

[mahoneybill]

He is up their with the greatest coaches ever. But I don't like the different eras comparison. BB is coaching a different game from the one Landry, Noll, Gibbs, Walsh, and even Jimmy coached in.

While everybody loves to lay praise on BB for achieving all this in free agency era, I say free agency gave him the advantage. While it is working in some way in the NFC, it is totally dysfunctional in the AFC.

Free agency puts emphasis on management, coaching, and solid QB. When perfected you get the NE Patriots.

Dallas is average on all areas and that is why we are stuck. Same for the majority of team in the NFL, where they cannot get the balance right. NE amazingly (with some luck) have it set and maintained for a long time. Some teams get it right for a few years and they compete consistently for 2-4 years (see GB few years ago, Seatle recently). NE is maintaining this structure for a long time and they are blessed with a horrible conference and more horrible division to help them more. I say the closest during their era is Baltimore except they did/do not have a solid QB like NE. When Chargers beat Baltimore I said NE are the happiest side for this result. Baltimore are the only team who keeps beating NE in the playoffs when they get there. But they are missing consistent solid QB'ing.

NE have the BEST coach in football now and the best QB (in terms of dedication, hunger, commitment, and loyalty in addition to his skills that I rank top 10 all time). And their management is superior to all others.

I hate losing solid good coach more than a whole team. To me a great coach is worth a whole team.

Despite all the scandals, and questionable incidents, you have to give them credit for reaching this level of excellence

Nice summary. Well done.

 

[Doomsday101]

He won a few for Parcells.

He's had Brady for 20 years. Hard to judge him "without" Brady.

Brady did NOT win that game yesterday. Belichick did.

Bill threw that pass to Gronk? I must have missed that. lol

 

[nightrain]

Belichick has an off the chart football IQ. He likes certain players that fit is style of football (smart, big, selfless, mentally and physically tough, team player, winner) and can whip up a different scheme for every opponent on the schedule that his players can bring to the game.

The team always has a unified message and you rarely hear any trash talk from a Patriots player. Doesn't hang on to many draft picks who become stars. Very cap savvy and understands the value of balance throughout the roster. A truly amazing figure who has accomplished something that I don't expect to see duplicated in my lifetime.

How different would Brady's path have been with another club?