Dez was elite athletically until he wasn't anymore. The injuries took that away.Dez was elite. Athletically.
Mentally he was not.
That no catch call in gb got in his head and his mental fragility got in the way of everything he did. Imo.
90 is different.
I feel he brings the dogg mentality we as a board say we want.
He should not be allowed to get away
At that price, I would consider any and all trade offers. a) A late first or b) early second with a late round pick added would be enough for me to say yes. Too many eggs in one DE basket for my liking.
I'm pretty confident that if you ask most objective observers who understand and study the game, especially d-line play, they will tell you that Lawrence is a very good player. But he is not Khalil Mack, Aaron Donald or Von Miller. They are top tier.Closer than you may think.
I'm pretty confident that if you ask most objective observers who understand and study the game, especially d-line play, they will tell you that Lawrence is a very good player. But he is not Khalil Mack, Aaron Donald or Von Miller. They are top tier.
Lawrence is definitely in the second group. That's not a knock on Lawrence. He's very good, but not elite.
I mean, who else are you putting in that second group? Lawrence is a lot closer to Mack and Miller than he is Danielle Hunter and Frank Clark.I'm pretty confident that if you ask most objective observers who understand and study the game, especially d-line play, they will tell you that Lawrence is a very good player. But he is not Khalil Mack, Aaron Donald or Von Miller. They are top tier.
Lawrence is definitely in the second group. That's not a knock on Lawrence. He's very good, but not elite.
Right. Not a lot we can do except complain and wish it was us receiving that money, lol.About 18 mil too much but whatever they do they do.
You also have to take into account his history of back and shoulder injuries. Hopefully his shoulder is now fixed, but you never know about back injuries.Go peep the stats for the past two years. Tell me which category Mack and Miller are heads above Lawrence. You also have to look who's on the entire D-line. I'm not saying he's better than Miller and Mack, but I don't think the disparity is massive.
You can make the argument that you don't want to spend that on a DL, but that number is right in line with the market.
Assuming a cap of $185 next year, Lawrence, at $21m, would be 11.35%. At $190, which isn't impossible, it's 11.05%.
Aaron Donald - 22.5/177 = 12.7%
Khalil Mack - 13.5/177 = 13.3%
Von Miller - 19/155 = 12.2%
JJ Watt - 16.7/143 = 11.7%
Olivier Vernon - 17/155 = 10.9%
Chandler Jones - 16.5/167 = 9.8%
Jason Pierre Paul - 15.5/167 = 9.2%
These numbers all skew a bit b/c of signing bonuses and cap gymnastics, but 11.35% is perfectly in line for where Lawrence should be. It's right below the truly elite players, but above the Vernons and JPPs of the world. I think the only one you point to that would, by any measure, pull Lawrence's number down is Chandler Jones, but that's outweighed by JPP and Vernon.
My theory - pay guys who are not replaceable.
Tank is not replaceable , neither in the draft or from our roster.
Nor by our schemeing.
Miller and Donald may set the market, but in no way Lawrence is on their level. He's not nearly the game wrecker these 2 guys are.
No way Lawrence should be getting Miller, Donald or Mack money. He's not those guys.
If that’s the going rate then that’s the going rate.
This is a totally great point if you ignore Taco Charlton and every other first-round DL who hasn't turned into Lawrence, and the fact that you can't expect even blue chip to have the same impact as Lawrence until at least year 2.Where did we get Lawrence?
The draft?
Oh.