Don't expect a discount from Dak Prescott

[Gangsta Spanksta]

right and we all know the overabundance of those guys. Why every team not named the Dallas Cowboys has one

Well it depends on how you see Dak. If you see him as the messiah, walking on water, then he is special and only 5 teams have that guy maybe. If you see him, as average, then half the teams in the NFL have someone like that or better. Can a team with an average quarterback get to the playofs and win? We've seen that kind of quarterback win the superbowl before. Can Dak win without Coop or Zeek? 3-5... the horrid 2017 season...

 

[Hadenough]

So you want the team to tank this upcoming season? Because that’s the only way they get the #1 overall pick.

Nope! As my earlier post stated you always try to win but when this season falls short don't be afraid to package a deal to move up to the #1 pick in the draft. Zeke, Lawrence, and two #1s may be what Dallas has to offer to get there. Then while Trevor Lawrence is on his rookie contract go ahead and pay some tier one FAs to come in since you had to give away two #1s

 

[blumayne38]

While I'm not all in on Dak, it's not really him who needs to turn the corner. It's the team, just like it was with Romo, albeit Romo needed fewer pieces than Dak does, IMO. Regardless, I think Dak can do well enough, as long as he doesn't have to do too much.

Letting Dak walk after his rookie deal and MAYBE a FT, which we still have to pay for. Is like squeezing a lemon for all it’s worth and when there is no more juice you throw it away. The FT in my opinion is used for players you don’t want to hit the market. With Dak you offer him X and if he dosent like it he hits the market Other teams offer him X , Y , Z and he has options it’s best for Dallas and it’s best for him.

 

[baltcowboy]

No question, also he had Zeke at RB to take a lot of pressure off.

But if the criticism is that Dak is awful in the pocket and hasn't improved, he can't cite the first half of Dak's career when that wasn't an issue. 90% of the QBs in the NFL have issues in the pocket when they only have 2 seconds to throw.

On top of it Linehan was so predictable that he first read was almost always schemed out of the play by defenses before the play even started.

Let's not overstate the offensive line. Was it the best line in 2016? Yes but it was great with running the football and average with passing. The right tackle struggled all year with pass pro.

 

[DFWJC]

Luck signed a 122 million dollar contract...an average of 24+ million a year...Matt Stafford signed a 135 million dollar contract 27+ million a year...

Yeah, Newton and Wilson gave Panthers and Seahawks a break. Kaepernick unquestionably gave the 49ers a break. Newton, Wilson, and Kaepernick should have gotten what Luck and Stafford (amongst others like Ryan and Carr got) but they took less. Especially Kaepernick. I can go find news reports arguing Colin should have fired his Agent for a deal that was so objectively bad for him.

EDIT: Cam Newton signed his extension and as of 2018 was ranked 14th in average salary...Luck signed his contract just ONE year later and is STILL 6th. Either Luck is overpaid (he is) or Newton is underpaid (he is).

Yeah. Where they are ranked now doesn't have much to do with where they were when they signed their contracts. Always a moving target upward.

Look, we will agree to disagree on this one....on all three players.

 

[HungryLion]

Nope! As my earlier post stated you always try to win but when this season falls short don't be afraid to package a deal to move up to the #1 pick in the draft. Zeke, Lawrence, and two #1s may be what Dallas has to offer to get there. Then while Trevor Lawrence is on his rookie contract go ahead and pay some tier one FAs to come in since you had to give away two #1s

You think giving away Zeke, Tank and two first round picks is a solid plan to build a championship caliber team?

I suppose we fundamentally disagree on that front then....

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Well it depends on how you see Dak. If you see him as the messiah, walking on water, then he is special and only 5 teams have that guy maybe. If you see him, as average, then half the teams in the NFL have someone like that or better. Can a team with an average quarterback get to the playofs and win? We've seen that kind of quarterback win the superbowl before. Can Dak win without Coop or Zeek? 3-5... the horrid 2017 season...

Why do my two choices in life have to be messiah or a bum? Is there no way to be anything but one or the other?

 

[robbieruff]

It's clear from the article that he's gunning for the big money. I guess that I shouldn't be surprised, but I am.

From the article:

Prescott doesn’t see Patriots quarterback Tom Brady’s team-friendly deal, for which he made just $15 million last season, as a blueprint for his own.

“Nobody’s wife makes as much money as his wife does either,” Prescott said of Brady’s supermodel wife Gisele Bundchen, who earned $10 million in 2018 and $17.5 million in 2017, per reports. “When Tom Brady isn’t the breadwinner in the home, then that’s a great problem to have."

“So in that case, he can do that. He can do his contract however you want to do it.”

“I think the team knows how to pay what’s deserved,” Prescott told USA TODAY Sports before the Super Bowl, “and pay those other people at the same time what’s deserved without being frugal.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...s-dak-prescott-contract-extension/2806080002/

Shut your pie hole Dak and just marry a super model!?! Jeez - its so simple!?!

 

[DFWJC]

You think giving away Zeke, Tank and two first round picks is a solid plan to build a championship caliber team?

I suppose we fundamentally disagree on that front then....

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Plus it's never, ever a good idea to go all in on a future possible player that you have no idea you can even get.

 

[aria]

Who is gonna pay the top dollar for a Case Keenum protege, if they do so be it. Money goes to ZEKE, TANK and Cooper first. DAK is replaceable....

DAK walks...go get Joe Flacco or CJ Bethard..... Dallas is loaded with Weapons and a good Oline...

Lol, that’s pretty ridiculous. I’m far from a Dak fan boy but he would be last on the list as being easily replaceable with Zeke being first.

 

[Frosty]

Lol, that’s pretty ridiculous. I’m far from a Dak fan boy but he would be last on the list as being easily replaceable with Zeke being first.

How do you replace over 1400 yards rushing and 560 receiving. Dallas had just over 5000 yards total offense in 2018. Zeke accounted for over 2000 of those.

DAK is the easiest replaceable, Pass Rushers are hard to find, Elite WR are hard to find, 2000yd RB's are hard to find, QB that are game managers are easier to replace. The Cowboys have elite players at RB, DL and WR. DAK is not in the Elite category.

It would be different if DAK was a Rodgers, Brees, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold type QB. DAK is a good/average QB that walked into an awesome situation in Dallas, and benefits from the Elite weapons on offense. Big difference

 

[gjkoeppen]

and there were other times where Dak ran forward straight into the pass rush. So Dak is partially to blame too. I think your logic is flawed to think that an elite offensive line is sustainable. I mean our own team recent history is a perfect case study that it is not. Romo started off with an elite offensive line that got old over night and then at one point of time was even worse than the offensive line the cowboys had in 1989. Romo could still do things despite having a bad offensive line. Dak while he looked like he might of had that romo Jedi skill in 2016, seems to have lost it back in that Atlanta game or before. His pocket awareness was bad this year on a team whose offensive line was avarage and not bad, or not as bad as we've seen here in the past. I'm not saying any quarterback should expect to have as bad of an offensive line as Romo has had. However, to complain about how a quarterback function on an average line is laughable, since you just can't sustain an elite line forever

Here's what happened between 2016 and the 2 years after. After the 2016 season the Cowboys let Leary go in free agency and the player who played a few games for an injured Leary and was the starting LG in 2015 was Collins, and also after the 2016 season Free retired. Now for 2017 instead of leaving Collins at a position he played at fairly well they moved him to RT where he needed to relearn all the footwork because he never played on the right side of the line in his college or pro career. The Cowboys chose to replace Leary with a player, Jonathan Cooper, who after being drafted in 2015 was on his 4th team when he joined the Cowboys in 2016. After his showing of 2017 Cooper was released. Now if the Cowboys would have left Collins at LG they would have only had to find a new RT and thus keeping 80% of the previous line intact, but they opted to change 40% of the line. But the two positions that gave up the most sacks in 2017 were RT and LG. Now for your reference to the Atlanta game. Did you just happen to forget that with Smith out, the LT position gave up EIGHT SACKS that game, SIX by Chaz Greene before he got replaced. Very poor game to make any point about Prescott with no time to do anything that game.

There is NO question that the Cowboys great line of 2016 which only lasted 2015 and 2016, didn't continue after 2016 and the line play for all of 2017 and a large part of 2018 was below average when it came to pass blocking.
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[eastsideboy]

What a ridiculous and totally in appropriate comment. Every player in the league sells his services to his team. It's a business. Your comparing that to prostitution is absurd intellectual dishonesty. I've been discussing what his value is to the team and whether it's in the team's best interests to resign him. That's a totally fair discussion. There are not unlimited funds available to sign any player. My contention is that Dak should be offered a deal commensurate with his value as an average to slightly above average quarterback. You're not obligated to agree with that. If you think the team should offer him an elite contract, you should explain why and back up your ideas with reasoned ideas. Ridiculous comparisons to the illegal field of prostitution just make you look foolish.

A lot of teams have made the mistake of overpaying for players. I want the Cowboys to avoid doing that. They actually did avoid that when Demarco Murray got offered more than he was worth from another team. Letting him walk ended up being a smart move for the Cowboys and a bad move by the Eagles who signed him. Are you going to argue that Dak actually is an elite quarterback? Or just make a bombastic comparison to prostitution?

I think you kind of miss my point. a lot of posters are saying that he is automatically going to go to the highest bidder. by definition that's a *****. because that means there's nothing more important than money. I never said I agreed with that. I basically said two things. one let's not make the idiotic mistake that the Vikings did with Kirk cousins. two it will be in his long-term best interest for legacy and money if you stays here.

 

[gjkoeppen]

You don't think paying Dak $30 million a year will lower the talent around him? Like many I wouldn't mind paying him $20 million a year, but as this thread suggests "Don't expect a discount" Sure the packers will probably have a greater loss of talent for their price tag, but then again it is also an elite quarterback. Only to a Dak Homer, Dak has already proven himself to be elite and not average. To someone more open minded, there are still questions, worries, about Dak that he might just be average instead of elite. So if he is just average and you pay him $30 million a year, won't that be a mistake, since not only is your quarterback average, you team become more average in other positions as well because you overpaid the quarterback?

ONLY Prescott haters throw around that 30 mil. There is less than ZERO chance that Prescott would demand 30 mil a year and even less chance that the Cowboys would agree to 30 mil a year. There isn't anybody that isn't bias AGAINST Prescott that isn't laughing their guts out at those who say Prescott will be demanding to be tied with the 2nd HIGHEST paid QB in the league. When it's been said by "insiders" to not expect a home team discount they are referring to don't expect Prescott to settle for a 13 - 15 mil a year contract that is actually like 40 times more than he made in 2017.
Heck when there are starting QB's Like Wilson, Big Ben, Rivers and Newton that make 21 - 20 mil a year and the Prescott haters think he's going to demand 30 mil a year. Can't stop laughing. My guess and it's just that because NOBODY here will be in on the negotiations, it will end up being somewhere between 17 - 19 or 20 mil a year.
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[cern]

he didn't hire caa sports agency to get peanuts. they're one of the best.

 

[gjkoeppen]

I think you kind of miss my point. a lot of posters are saying that he is automatically going to go to the highest bidder. by definition that's a *****. because that means there's nothing more important than money. I never said I agreed with that. I basically said two things. one let's not make the idiotic mistake that the Vikings did with Kirk cousins. two it will be in his long-term best interest for legacy and money if you stays here.

You're still wrong! It doesn't matter what profession you want to use, athletes, doctors, welders, machinists they all want to go where they can make the most money. BTW, a ***** just gives her body to whoever for free, a prostitute charges. If a man says his wife has been whoring around he isn't saying she is charging other men for sex, it means that she is sleeping around outside of their marrage.
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[Kaiser]

ONLY Prescott haters throw around that 30 mil. There is less than ZERO chance that Prescott would demand 30 mil a year and even less chance that the Cowboys would agree to 30 mil a year.
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And guys who demand to be among the highest paid at their position are known for ... get this .... demanding to be among the highest paid at their position. The negotiations haven't even started yet and Dak is making public statements like "we will get a fair deal done". No player in NFL history ever held out saying things like that, its always the guys saying "I'm the best and I need to be paid like it".

 

[CouchCoach]

he didn't hire caa sports agency to get peanuts. they're one of the best.

And they know exactly where he fits on the pay scale and they're well aware of what Dallas has at backups, cap space, no 1st rounder and the Joneses already blinked by even mentioning an extension.

 

[aria]

How do you replace over 1400 yards rushing and 560 receiving. Dallas had just over 5000 yards total offense in 2018. Zeke accounted for over 2000 of those.

DAK is the easiest replaceable, Pass Rushers are hard to find, Elite WR are hard to find, 2000yd RB's are hard to find, QB that are game managers are easier to replace. The Cowboys have elite players at RB, DL and WR. DAK is not in the Elite category.

It would be different if DAK was a Rodgers, Brees, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold type QB. DAK is a good/average QB that walked into an awesome situation in Dallas, and benefits from the Elite weapons on offense. Big difference

Zeke is nothing without the O line nor is Dak or WR’s for that matter but RB’s are definitely much easier to replace than a QB and cheaper if they don’t find one in the draft.

Zeke accounted for so many yards because a) the O line and b) because he carried the ball more than any other RB in the league.

RB’s longevity is also typically much much shorter than QB’s. Statistically, Zeke will start falling off pretty soon (if he hasn’t already) and would be lucky to make it another 5-6 years in the league especially the way the Cowboys use him. Dak could easily have another 10-15 years and has more room to go up, Zeke only has room to go down.

Why on earth would you risk replacing a potential franchise QB, or slightly above average QB, over a RB who usually has a much shorter career, is cheaper to replace, easier to draft and is almost ENTIRELY dependent on the O line?

 

[gjkoeppen]

And they know exactly where he fits on the pay scale and they're well aware of what Dallas has at backups, cap space, no 1st rounder and the Joneses already blinked by even mentioning an extension.

Your user name fits you but you should add on /GM to. It's not blinking, it's smart business to extend a player before his contract is up when they can get the player cheaper than waiting until the possibility of free agency is there. But I guess you don't see that from your couch.
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