Mike Leach on QB accuracy

[OmerV]

Omer, you keep adding to this when it was about accuracy. What you're saying obvious. Of course fielding and range and instincts matter. They are huge.

However, the point remains. If the SS cannot throw accurately to first, he doesn't stay at SS in the pros.

At this point, we are in the nuh uh, uh huh thingie, so I'm leaving this one behind. As usual, I enjoy arguing/discussing w/ you. Catch ya on the flipside!!!!

I’ve been saying exactly the same thing all along, that the entire package is what matters and a team will sacrifice a little in one skill if the overall skill set makes him the better player.

 

[Diehardblues]

Right?

Dak has thrown some stinkers and he's thrown some great passes. Yes, great. He actually started really coming around this last season, and it appears he may be on the cusp of taking that next step. And now we have a different OC, which was one of the major major issues w/ Dak. Hopefully, Moore was shaking his head at how bad Linehan's scheme was and has a pile of brilliance just ready to blind everyone!!!!

With all due respect that’s a very optimistic view that Moore will bring brilliance to playcalling . IMO that’s yet to be determined. We’ll see.

Some also thought Moore would help Dak more than Wilson as QB coach which I’m not sure was determined he did? But I’m usually more about evaluating results that predicting the future. Again we’ll see.

Dak has shown some signs of improvement but too inconsistent as you’ve noted. Time will tell. But I’m leaning more to what’s already been criticized by notables like Troy. And what we’ve seen. It’s not my nature to be optimistic just to be. I need solid evidence. Results ultimately will determine his fate.

 

[kskboys]

I’ve been saying exactly the same thing all along, that the entire package is what matters and a team will sacrifice a little in one skill if the overall skill set makes him the better player.

And I disagree!!!! However, there's simply no use in repeating ourselves any more!!!!!!

 

[Vtwin]

Completion percentage really has little to do with defining accuracy for a QB at the pro level.

Any QB who makes it to the pros can throw the ball so the receiver can get his hands on it.

The QB's who are considered to have the best accuracy can generally put the ball in a specific spot to complete passes that less accurate QB's wouldn't try or to give the receiver a better chance for YAC. These QB's might even suffer in the comp % department because they are more willing to throw that 50/50 ball.

Dak can generally get the ball to the receiver but I've never seen anything to suggest he has the pinpoint accuracy the top QB's can produce.

In my experience with accuracy related endeavors that involve hand eye coordination and body mechanics you do either have it or you don't when it comes to competing at the highest levels.

 

[Rockport]

There is no coach that can teach Dak how to throw a football. You're either accurate, or you're not.

This isn't about poise. Dak has poise. So it isn't an experience fix that comes with getting "comfortable". Dak is comfortable.

And that's a problem because this just comes down to lack of ability.

Darius Jackson can practice all he wants, but he'll never be Zeke. Dak can work himself to the bone, but he'll never be an elite passer.

You need to go outside more.

 

[CouchCoach]

Here's the magic about Prescott improving even if his accuracy in those situations can't because that's all instinct. He's been doing that as along as he's been playing and under duress, instincts take over. Manage the situations better.

He was not only the most sacked QB, he looked to be the most surprised when they were on him, is that not fixable? Moore should be sitting with him, watching film with him but not as his OC but as the opposing DC's will be. Looking for the faults, under what circumstances is he at his worst? What are the toughest situations for him to overcome? How do we get him to hold the ball? What are the toughest throws for him?

Was accuracy the issue when he was the most sacked QB? Was accuracy the issue when he held the ball too long? Could be as he was still looking for college open and the reason he clicked so quickly with Cooper was he gets college open and runs precision routes.

Aikman was a very accurate QB but that offense fit him like a glove because he was spot throwing in that timing based offense. Prescott is more sight throwing, especially on any crosses or slants. And if y'all recall, Romo struggled with the slant just like Prescott does..when it's not Witten, a big slow target.

Prescott can not improve his accuracy one bit and still improve as an overall QB because his accuracy is good enough. They must better manage the situations that he is in, he can improve there.

 

[windward]

Lmao another stupid comment that's completely false and made up.

3rd, 14th and 12th in passer rating the 3 years Dak has started.

I’d say that’s not too bad.

 

[Vanilla2]

There is no coach that can teach Dak how to throw a football. You're either accurate, or you're not.

This isn't about poise. Dak has poise. So it isn't an experience fix that comes with getting "comfortable". Dak is comfortable.

And that's a problem because this just comes down to lack of ability.

Darius Jackson can practice all he wants, but he'll never be Zeke. Dak can work himself to the bone, but he'll never be an elite passer.

Sooooo

We cut bait?

 

[kskboys]

With all due respect that’s a very optimistic view that Moore will bring brilliance to playcalling . IMO that’s yet to be determined. We’ll see.

Some also thought Moore would help Dak more than Wilson as QB coach which I’m not sure was determined he did? But I’m usually more about evaluating results that predicting the future. Again we’ll see.

Dak has shown some signs of improvement but too inconsistent as you’ve noted. Time will tell. But I’m leaning more to what’s already been criticized by notables like Troy. And what we’ve seen. It’s not my nature to be optimistic just to be. I need solid evidence. Results ultimately will determine his fate.

No, it's not Greg. It's simply hope, nothing more nothing less. I've made no predictions, I simply HOPE that's what he brings.

I wasn't impressed w/ Dak's improvement under Moore, no. What I'm hoping is that Moore is a better OC, and that Kitna is a better QB coach. There is a monster of a difference between the two jobs, and one can be good at one and terrible at the other.

Nothing but hoping, Greg, nothing but hoping. I don't know anything about these cats except I do know that Romo was much much better at ball control football after Kitna took over when Romo got hurt. So, that's all I have to hang my hat on. Kitna knows how, so the only question is can he teach.

Nothing but hope, and some relief that Linehan is gone.

 

[Vanilla2]

Lol!! But, he's gonna be paid like an elite passer!! I can't wait to see the posts on here when it happens.

How many elite passers are there?

 

[kskboys]

How many elite passers are there?

Maybe 4.

 

[kskboys]

Completion percentage really has little to do with defining accuracy for a QB at the pro level.

Any QB who makes it to the pros can throw the ball so the receiver can get his hands on it.

The QB's who are considered to have the best accuracy can generally put the ball in a specific spot to complete passes that less accurate QB's wouldn't try or to give the receiver a better chance for YAC. These QB's might even suffer in the comp % department because they are more willing to throw that 50/50 ball.

Dak can generally get the ball to the receiver but I've never seen anything to suggest he has the pinpoint accuracy the top QB's can produce.

In my experience with accuracy related endeavors that involve hand eye coordination and body mechanics you do either have it or you don't when it comes to competing at the highest levels.

You didn't watch Deshone Kizer!!!!!!

 

[windward]

Correct. His stats clearly reflect in our toned down offensive scheme he’s very accurate with Dink and Dunk.

Unfortunately it’s culminated into a bottom tier passing attack which was resurrected with Cooper ending in 22nd in the league. Bravo!

I think the criticism is valid on his passing weaknesses. It doesn’t mean Dak doesn’t bring some assets and we obviously can have some success with him. But the bigger point as Erod refers to is does it put us on a more less keel with some of the other teams in Final 8 and their prolific passing QB’s?

Lmao. You are going to
Hold Cooper finishing 22nd in yards against Dak? What was his ranking in weeks 9 through 17?

 

[InTheZone]

Alright Dak hater.
Lets cut him. He sucks per you.

What are you doing to replace him? Mike White? You like someone in the second round?

c'mon, don't be like thaaaat.

we all want him to succeed, we just know his limits as a QB and personally I'm all for pulling a Herschel Walker-type trade if a team thinks highly of him like some of us do. You would agree the support/team around the QB would enable success as long as we continue with the safe short/intermediate outside the hash mark throws, so is it asking too much from a different QB if he had to play? Dak's athletic ability and size is what I wanted from a QB after Romo, but I don't think he's going to progress that much more with his passing ability or mental side with his pocket awareness or reading defenses pre/post-snap. I'm worried that the overrated rates for QBs is going to kill us after Dak gets a mega-contract and that's a risk we don't have to take. If this team was content with keeping Dak in the playoffs for 2016 instead of Romo I don't see a reason why they wouldn't be comfortable playing another QB if he was potentially better where we're lacking. I'm basing a lot on the systems they've implemented, what we get during games and taking into account whether he's worth top $$$. Just because other teams have been stupid with QB contracts doesn't mean we have to.

 

[Vtwin]

You didn't watch Deshone Kizer!!!!!!

True.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

It's hard to have these discussions because some just refuse to acknowledge basic givens. Stats are not the be all, end all because stats can be manipulated to represent certain facts that may not necessarily be 100% accurate. As example, if you have a pitcher who has a major league fastball and that's it, he is likely going to be really good the first half of the season but, over the second half of the season, hitters are going to figure him out and he is going to get touched up for a few in the second half. Is that guy a good pitcher? The answer is no because as time goes on, his record is going to get worse and worse as seasons pass. You can hid his deficiencies for a period of time but eventually they will come out. Same goes for NFL Offenses. If a QB can't throw a certain type of pass very well, the Offense calls plays that the QB does well and percentages go up. However, over time, good DCs figure out what QBs can and can't do. When it's time to win or go home, good DCs devise game plans that take advantage of what you can't do and they force you into that. That's when shortcoming in your game surface and that's why stats can lie.

For example, the game has changed so much that you really can't compare QB stats from years ago to stats from today. On top of that, the game is so geared towards the pass and making it easier for QBs that it skews any statistical comparison. It's really a dishonest comparison to try and compare those QBs to today's but people will not acknowledge that and so, from the very start of the discussion, you have no foundation from which to even begin having an honest conversation. People see what they want to see. I just hope that both Dak's camp and the Cowboys see things for what they really are and come to a consensus, somewhere in the middle. That's about the best you can hope for IMO.

 

[superonyx]

c'mon, don't be like thaaaat.

we all want him to succeed, we just know his limits as a QB and personally I'm all for pulling a Herschel Walker-type trade if a team thinks highly of him like some of us do. You would agree the support/team around the QB would enable success as long as we continue with the safe short/intermediate outside the hash mark throws, so is it asking too much from a different QB if he had to play? Dak's athletic ability and size is what I wanted from a QB after Romo, but I don't think he's going to progress that much more with his passing ability or mental side with his pocket awareness or reading defenses pre/post-snap. I'm worried that the overrated rates for QBs is going to kill us after Dak gets a mega-contract and that's a risk we don't have to take. If this team was content with keeping Dak in the playoffs for 2016 instead of Romo I don't see a reason why they wouldn't be comfortable playing another QB if he was potentially better where we're lacking. I'm basing a lot on the systems they've implemented, what we get during games and taking into account whether he's worth top $$$. Just because other teams have been stupid with QB contracts doesn't mean we have to.

Let's be real here for a minute.
The chances that Jerry is letting Dak go anywhere are extremely slim to none.
Regardless of how you feel about Dak I can't see any scenarios where he isnt a well paid cowboy for the foreseeable future.

Some people here have dug into to the Dak hate so deep that they seem to be setting themselves up for many years of misery in the future.

None of us has any say over what happens obviously. This isnt anything more than some sunday afternoon entertainment to take our minds of the fact that we and everyone we love are all going to die one day.
I dont see how developing such venom for any one of our players is going to make this any more entertaining?

 

[percyhoward]

These are 15+ yard targets. (Balls thrown 15 yards or more in the air.)
Passer rating 2016-18
1 Wilson 114.7
2 Prescott 108.2
3 Smith 106.0
4 Brady 105.4
5 Ryan 105.0

Targets less than 15 yards
1 Ryan 109.2
2 Brees 107.4
3 Watson 103.9
4 Brady 102.5
5 Rodgers 102.3

14 Prescott 95.3

You'd like him to be better on the shorter passes. Interestingly, his passer rating was 111.3 to Cooper on these shorter throws.

 

[Stash]

Lmao. You are going to
Hold Cooper finishing 22nd in yards against Dak? What was his ranking in weeks 9 through 17?

Good luck getting an honest answer. Prepare for diversion and gobbledygook.

 

[McKDaddy]

Completion percentage really has little to do with defining accuracy for a QB at the pro level.

Any QB who makes it to the pros can throw the ball so the receiver can get his hands on it.

The QB's who are considered to have the best accuracy can generally put the ball in a specific spot to complete passes that less accurate QB's wouldn't try or to give the receiver a better chance for YAC. These QB's might even suffer in the comp % department because they are more willing to throw that 50/50 ball.

Dak can generally get the ball to the receiver but I've never seen anything to suggest he has the pinpoint accuracy the top QB's can produce.

In my experience with accuracy related endeavors that involve hand eye coordination and body mechanics you do either have it or you don't when it comes to competing at the highest levels.

Well said. He's not even close to being able to really put the ball on the dime and thus he isn't willing to make a lot of throws that need to be made. The elite QB's make those throws every game to score or extend drives. its the difference between winning & losing in a lot of games.