News: PFT: Jerry Jones said he and Jason Garrett "have real trust"

[Dre11]

LOL. Nothing builds up one's credibility like accusing someone of something, can't prove it and then claim you are too busy to prove it.

But I am not really all that surprised by anything you post or do anymore.

As I said you were bullish, you were sure he was fired. Apply egg to face...lol you want to play it down because it didn't happen the way you wanted it. You wouldn't have came at me that way If you weren't bullish.

 

[Diehardblues]

As I said you were bullish, you were sure he was fired. Apply egg to face...lol

Many fans felt certain Garrett was going to be fired after 3-5. Probably most on this forum. Lol

 

[Sydla]

As I said you were bullish, you were sure he was fired. Apply egg to face...lol you want to play it down because it didn't happen the way you wanted it. You wouldn't have came at me that way If you weren't bullish.

Again prove it. I never said at any time he was fired for sure.

I am not playing anything down. If you can prove I said it, I will happily admit that I said it and that I was wrong and you were right. Unlike you, I am perfectly content with admitting I am wrong about something. For example, I was clearly wrong when I said in the preseason that I didn't think this team would make the playoffs in 2018.

Like most people that exaggerate or get called out for making something up, you run behind the "oh, I am not searching for the it, but believe me, you said it!" excuse.

 

[CouchCoach]

This always seems to be from Booger's perspective, what about Garrett's? Think he might be OK with working his last year and getting out? Think he might be tired of being one of the clowns in Booger's Big Top? Think he might have "helped" the Joneses all he can and is comfortable with still being close to the family, just not that close?

How many HC's do we think would be just fine with being publicly embarrassed as he was? Sure, he spoke out of turn about Linehan, overstepped his authority, but there were ways to handle that without it making it apparent to everyone that he really isn't the HC after all. But, 6M a year can heal some wounds.

I am ready for Garrett to go, if not for any other reason than to stop crap like this. How many owners or GM's feel the need to even address their relationship with their HC, and be so arrogant as to speak for how he feels, but this egotistical awesome person?

 

[CouchCoach]

Many fans felt certain Garrett was going to be fired after 3-5. Probably most on this forum. Lol

I have been one of those that never bought in on the firing because of why he's there; however, at 3-5 and the way the team looked, I was second guessing that.

The question is, and I think I already know the answer, is Garrett getting the credit for the turnaround or are the Jones claiming their trade for Cooper is more responsible? The first firing should have been whoever told them that WR corps could take them anywhere with a QB struggling the last half of the previous season.

But the real question I have is this. How many times have we seen any WR join a team at midseason and have that kind of success? Is that all on him? All on Prescott? Linehan? I think not or he gets rewarded, not fired. Or was there a coach involved in that resulting in a lot of light shining on him and beginning to climb the ladder?

Those that rain on Moore as the QBC have no idea what he did as the QBC. Few know what that job entails on this team and it was always popular to blame Wilson for Romo's mistakes. Maybe, just maybe, Moore was instrumental in Cooper's indoctrination and incredible orientation into this offense because I've not seen one like it before that I can recall.

 

[Diehardblues]

This always seems to be from Booger's perspective, what about Garrett's? Think he might be OK with working his last year and getting out? Think he might be tired of being one of the clowns in Booger's Big Top? Think he might have "helped" the Joneses all he can and is comfortable with still being close to the family, just not that close?

How many HC's do we think would be just fine with being publicly embarrassed as he was? Sure, he spoke out of turn about Linehan, overstepped his authority, but there were ways to handle that without it making it apparent to everyone that he really isn't the HC after all. But, 6M a year can heal some wounds.

I am ready for Garrett to go, if not for any other reason than to stop crap like this. How many owners or GM's feel the need to even address their relationship with their HC, and be so arrogant as to speak for how he feels, but this egotistical awesome person?

To me Garrett represents the dysfunctional organization Jethro and Son has created. The Football Idiot feels the need to discuss everything publicly to stroke his egotistical need for attention. And it all soundly supports why Cowboys Football is severely handicapped as I and many have been preaching for years. Coach included.

If Garrett truly wanted to get out he would have when Atlanta or Baltimore called and why it continues to look like he has an understanding with The Jone$ which goes well beyond what most of us want to admit or discuss. Which I’ve suggested before.

 

[CouchCoach]

To me Garrett represents the dysfunctional organization Jethro and Son has created. The Football Idiot feels the need to discuss everything publicly to stroke his egotistical need for attention. And it all soundly supports why Cowboys Football is severely handicapped as I and many have been preaching for years. Coach included.

If Garrett truly wanted to get out he would have when Atlanta or Baltimore called and why it continues to look like he has an understanding with The Jone$ which goes well beyond what most of us want to admit or discuss. Which I’ve suggested before.

ATL and BAL were before he made HC, he didn't know then what he knows now and he had strong ties to the Cowboys and Jones family, plus he got paid for staying.

He's now been through a lot of years since then and maybe it's wearing on him, like it did Don Meredith. He wasn't ready to retire from the NFL, just the Cowboys and had no place else to go.

Hell Greg, how long can anyone take one for the team, keep the stiff upper lip and suppress their own ego for that of an egotistical incompetent that they have to keep from harming himself?

I think every former coach is glad to be out of that monarchy and only truly realizes that when they're back in normal surroundings. How many coaches have to sit at a table and hear their GM make excuses for the RB struggling "because he's had a rough go of it"? Handle players with kid gloves because they might be the owner's pretend friend? Hear the GM call a player that slaps the clipboard out of a coach's hands while he is trying to prepare his team to take the field a "leader". Hear the GM call a player having a childish fit "passionate". And my favorite of all time, hear the owner say "I have no problem with it" when asked about his WR's public calling out of his OC, the very thing that got him released from his two previous teams?

I do think that part of Garrett wants this to end. Even if he had to go back to Princeton to coach or take a coordinator role in the NFL, stop the insanity.

 

[Diehardblues]

ATL and BAL were before he made HC, he didn't know then what he knows now and he had strong ties to the Cowboys and Jones family, plus he got paid for staying.

He's now been through a lot of years since then and maybe it's wearing on him, like it did Don Meredith. He wasn't ready to retire from the NFL, just the Cowboys and had no place else to go.

Hell Greg, how long can anyone take one for the team, keep the stiff upper lip and suppress their own ego for that of an egotistical incompetent that they have to keep from harming himself?

I think every former coach is glad to be out of that monarchy and only truly realizes that when they're back in normal surroundings. How many coaches have to sit at a table and hear their GM make excuses for the RB struggling "because he's had a rough go of it"? Handle players with kid gloves because they might be the owner's pretend friend? Hear the GM call a player that slaps the clipboard out of a coach's hands while he is trying to prepare his team to take the field a "leader". Hear the GM call a player having a childish fit "passionate". And my favorite of all time, hear the owner say "I have no problem with it" when asked about his WR's public calling out of his OC, the very thing that got him released from his two previous teams?

I do think that part of Garrett wants this to end. Even if he had to go back to Princeton to coach or take a coordinator role in the NFL, stop the insanity.

Could be but I think it’s probably more wishful thinking.

I’m sticking with my initial thoughts from years ago until further evidence that they have an understanding that goes beyond anything we are aware of and that’s going to be discussed publicly. Unless of course barring a total collapse. The Dak issue also throws a new wrinkle in as well since Jerry’s determined to prove he’s right about that decision. So far no one is surving the Wrath of Dak.

Nothing else makes sense to me why Garrett would stay and take the humiliation attached with being a puppet without the understanding which probably includes Garrett being safe since Jerry isn’t holding him directly accountable.

 

[CouchCoach]

Could be but I think it’s probably more wishful thinking.

I’m sticking with my initial thoughts from years ago until further evidence that they have an understanding that goes beyond anything we are aware of and that’s going to be discussed publicly. Unless of course barring a total collapse. The Dak issue also throws a new wrinkle in as well since Jerry’s determined to prove he’s right about that decision. So far no one is surving the Wrath of Dak.

Nothing else makes sense to me why Garrett would stay and take the humiliation attached with being a puppet without the understanding which probably includes Garrett being safe since Jerry isn’t holding him directly accountable.

It’s still the perfect situation for Jerry to pursue his passion in proving he can build a champion without a HC like Jimmy. And we’re as close as we were with Parcells built team. That’s enough to keep the farce going despite the public criticism which no one can handle being in the Fire like Jerry.

He’s proved he and the Cowboys are completely bullet proof regardless what he does. It’s a sad state of affairs but it’s why the Bar has been lowered and expectations reduced. It is what it is. Too many continue to try and make better sense of it but you can’t.

Not wishful thinking at all because I don't care what happens to Garrett, I don't care for him one way or the other.

As far as making sense of this cluster, I gave up on that long ago but it is fun to try and insert logic in places where it does not exist because a business valued at 5B that can survive any decision made by the owner on a whim is illogical. Like to see Spock in the Cowboys front office for a week.

 

[Diehardblues]

It’s still the perfect situation for Jerry to pursue his passion in proving he can build a champion without a HC like Jimmy. And we’re as close as we were with Parcells built team. That’s enough to keep the farce going despite the public criticism which no one can handle being in the Fire like Jerry.

He’s proved he and the Cowboys are completely bullet proof regardless what he does. It’s a sad state of affairs but it’s why the Bar has been lowered and expectations reduced. It is what it is. Too many continue to try and make better sense of it but you can’t.

 

[InTheZone]

It's that country club trust. It's why coaching never takes the team over the top.

 

[DCCowboys11]

I think there may be some truth to this story on both sides. Hear me out.....

1. We don’t know everything that happens behind the scenes. Has anybody ever considered that Jason might actually be ok with leaving in 2020? While I’m not a big fan of his, there are a lot of teams that would take his 77-59 coaching record and 2 playoff wins. Just go back and study the yearly coaching carousel. I think if he was paired with the right owner (one that actually gives him real control), a good cap situation, and a great GM, he could have some success. This is the first time this team has had actual cap space since he’s been here. If Jason has the same coaching record with the Browns, Bengals, Bucs, Lions, Jets, Bills, Jags, Dolphins, Texans, Raiders, Titans, or even the Cardinals for example, he’d be looked at as the coach who rebuilt and stabilized a Franchize. Especially when you look at those teams’ records the last 10 years. But he just happens to be the coach of the DALLAS COWBOYS.

2. I think Jerry does trust him to get the team ready to play and motivate them to play hard. He loves him like family but feels the pressure from the fans to replace him. Jerry knows he can’t justify doing what he really wants to do, which is keep Garrett, unless Garrett finally gets over the hump.

 

[Diehardblues]

Not wishful thinking at all because I don't care what happens to Garrett, I don't care for him one way or the other.

As far as making sense of this cluster, I gave up on that long ago but it is fun to try and insert logic in places where it does not exist because a business valued at 5B that can survive any decision made by the owner on a whim is illogical. Like to see Spock in the Cowboys front office for a week.

True and why I’ve tried to apply more illogical explanations while giving up reasonable hope for the kinda of changes we’d all want.

The reason it can survive is the business isn’t dependent on football any longer. It hasn’t been for many years thanks to all of Jerry’s contributions.

 

[CouchCoach]

I think there may be some truth to this story on both sides. Hear me out.....

1. We don’t know everything that happens behind the scenes. Has anybody ever considered that Jason might actually be ok with leaving in 2020? While I’m not a big fan of his, there are a lot of teams that would take his 77-59 coaching record and 2 playoff wins. Just go back and study the yearly coaching carousel. I think if he was paired with the right owner (one that actually gives him real control), a good cap situation, and a great GM, he could have some success. This is the first time this team has had actual cap space since he’s been here. If Jason has the same coaching record with the Browns, Bengals, Bucs, Lions, Jets, Bills, Jags, Dolphins, Texans, Raiders, Titans, or even the Cardinals for example, he’d be looked at as the coach who rebuilt and stabilized a Franchize. Especially when you look at those teams’ records the last 10 years. But he just happens to be the coach of the DALLAS COWBOYS.

2. I think Jerry does trust him to get the team ready to play and motivate them to play hard. He loves him like family but feels the pressure from the fans to replace him. Jerry knows he can’t justify doing what he really wants to do, which is keep Garrett, unless Garrett finally gets over the hump.

That, you little newbie, is a fine post. This is just like the wringing our hands over the last 23 YEARS!!!! like we're not like BUF, CLE, DET or WAS. By God, we're the Cowboys! Too often we're like a bunch of spoiled preschoolers who are getting their pudding replaced with oatmeal.

 

[BillyBates]

I trust that JJ has lost his mind. I trust Garrett will continue to be a three legged cat in a turd burying contest...ugh

 

[Diehardblues]

That, you little newbie, is a fine post. This is just like the wringing our hands over the last 23 YEARS!!!! like we're not like BUF, CLE, DET or WAS. By God, we're the Cowboys! Too often we're like a bunch of spoiled preschoolers who are getting their pudding replaced with oatmeal.

Unfortunately when it comes to football, we are more like those bottom tier dwellers. Most of our fans from prior eras just haven’t adjusted their mind set.

But I’d agree too many do act like spoiled brats. This young generation of fans I’m around though don’t appear to look at us that way though for they haven’t witnessed a championship. It’s actually refreshing.

 

[CouchCoach]

True and why I’ve tried to apply more illogical explanations while giving up reasonable hope for the kinda of changes we’d all want.

The reason it can survive is the business isn’t dependent on football any longer. It hasn’t been for many years that’s to all of Jerry’s contributions.

And until fans can accept that, the frustrations will continue. Booger isn't all about the Cowboys, he's all about his Big Top where the real money is made. That was the goal, the ultimate prize and he was willing to subrogate his ego to get it. The Cowboys are his part-time gig, most of which is spent being the face of it.

That's why the stadium is built wrong. Has little to do with football and all to do with exposure to the traffic. It is exactly how he views NFL football, it is all about the entertainment but I do not fault him because he was one of the first to admit that. It is that one principle that he brought to the league that is responsible for the revenue and his gold jacket. Until he showed up, the other owners thought they owned football teams.

 

[ItzKelz]

Why wouldn't JJ trust JG. After Romo goes down....again JG leads us to 13-3 with a rookie QB. Zeke misses 6 games and we go 9-7. Let Dez go with no replacement and unexpected retirement from Witten who also wasnt replace..3-5 start..no problem...bring in Cooper....gets Dak and Coop on the same page wins division and playoff game. All of this with a OC that most felt was past his prime.

 

[CouchCoach]

Unfortunately when it comes to football, we are more like those bottom tier dwellers. Most of our fans from prior eras just haven’t adjusted their mind set.

But I’d agree too many do act like spoiled brats. This young generation of fans I’m around though don’t appear to look at us that way though for they haven’t witnessed a championship. It’s actually refreshing.

I admit to being a very spoiled fan. But once I realized that this was not that and what it truly was, I gave up on that and just hope for the best each game, not each season.

My adjustment to acceptance was to no longer regard this as a 16 game season but 16 1 game seasons. Each game stands on it's own with the accent on division games. I enjoy it a lot better and am not nearly as frustrated as some close to my age seem to be. But in all fairness, I had some real life changes that made it easier to adjust to everything else. Especially something as unimportant as a football team. This ain't real, it's fun, no sense in getting all bent over fun.

 

[cowboy_ron]

Jerry: Ain't that right Jason?

Jason: uh yes sir.