Disturbing stat line for our WRs

[conner01]

Lazy post.

Consider one wasn’t with the team the whole season and one was a rookie
On top of the fact his catches were mostly check downs
And he’s not holding out
We have him 2 more years before it’s an issue

 

[buybuydandavis]

Cole Beasley - 65 rec
Amari Cooper - 53 rec
Michael Gallup - 33 rec
Allen Hurns - 20 rec
Zeke Elliott - 77 rec

He's not only the best RB on the team, hes the best WR

How do people think with this WR group we could easily let zeke hold out. We definitely would be losing a huge chunk of our offense.

Cooper only played 9 games. About 6 catches per game projected over a season = 96 catches. Cooper is the best receiver.

I like the high catches for Zeke. Get him the ball in space and force LBs and DBs to tackle him, instead of the dline. Less wear and tear on Zeke per touch than a rushing carry. More wear and tear on the defense.

But I really want us to get more run threats on the field so we can reduce Zeke's carries. Austin (or a facsimile), Dak, a FB. I had such hopes for them using Olawale a lot more. Every rush lets our oline wear down their defense.

Zeke isn't our best weapon. The oline is. And next year we have a window of talent with Fredbeard back, Williams trained up, and Collins/Looney/SuaFilo/Ehinger all in contract years.

 

[blumayne38]

Beasley - 3 TD rec
Gallup - 2 TD rec
Elliott - 3 TD rec
Hurns - 2 TD rec

 

[buybuydandavis]

LA Rams paid their RB $$$$$

Zeke is making $

They talk. It’s not good.

Zeke is on his guaranteed rookie contract, which is an 8mil cap hit this year. We are under no obligation to follow the Rams in making bad deals, particularly with Zeke suspended for 6 games in 2017.

Did Jerry claw back the bonus money for those missed games? I doubt it. He could, and he could do it for any games Zeke holds out this year too.

Think a free agent back might be eager to run cheap behind our oline for a year? I think so. I think there would be a line.

 

[blumayne38]

Consider one wasn’t with the team the whole season and one was a rookie
On top of the fact his catches were mostly check downs
And he’s not holding out
We have him 2 more years before it’s an issue

And he still managed to catch as many TDs as Beasley who as @percyhoward pointed out got 21% of the passes the first 7 games.

 

[conner01]

And he still managed to catch as many TDs as Beasley who as @percyhoward pointed out got 21% of the passes the first 7 games.

Not surprised he could match cole
Slot has not been a target in red zone
With dez it was jump balls every time
I loved the back shoulder we used with him and romo but we stopped that too
Pretty much we throw low pct fades
Hopefully Moore will run the ball more and more creative I red zone

 

[blumayne38]

Share of targets & passer rating
Games 1-7
21% Beasley 117.3
18% Elliott 97.4
13% Hurns 85.1
12% Swaim 120.6
11% Gallup 75.5
25% (9 others) 54.4

Games 8-18
25% Cooper 121.3
18% Elliott 104.2
16% Gallup 80.8
13% Beasley 103.2
9% Jarwin 120.5
19% (9 others) 93.6

% of targets resulting in 1st down/TD
Games 1-7
Beasley 45% 3Tds
Swaim 45% 3Tds (all in one game) for an entire season
Gallup 29% 2Tds
Hurns 28% 2Tds
others 25%
Elliott 28% 3Tds

Games 8-18
Cooper 49%
Jarwin 49%
Beasley 48%
Gallup 33%
others 30%

These percentages don't mean anything unless we show the results of them. So I inserted the Tds to show how zeke does more with less then these WRs excluding Cooper who proved he is a absolute #1

 

[blumayne38]

Not surprised he could match cole
Slot has not been a target in red zone
With dez it was jump balls every time
I loved the back shoulder we used with him and romo but we stopped that too
Pretty much we throw low pct fades
Hopefully Moore will run the ball more and more creative I red zone

Shortened field in redzone and it's up to the QB to find the holes in the defense. It's very hard and we struggled ALOT.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Apparently he knows he's accounts for a high percentage of our offense and wants his money (that I think he deserves) early

You think he deserves early? Why? Also, explain why we couldn't just replace him?

 

[blumayne38]

You think he deserves early? Why? Also, explain why we couldn't just replace him?

If you read all the posts you would know

 

[blumayne38]

You think he deserves early? Why? Also, explain why we couldn't just replace him?

Zeke is a huge part of the offense in the running game and also in the passing game. And in the case of a holdout as its been reported, i would pay him. If not then we have a case of leveon bell where he sits out for an entire year. Saving his body for FA in where he could bank from another team. His impact just being on the field not even with the ball in his hands is tremendous. He is a generational type talent. And should be the foundation of this offense, being that he is a leader and a rare type of RB that can carry a huge work load which takes a ton of pressure of thw QB. He accounts for 37% of this offense.

 

[percyhoward]

These percentages don't mean anything unless we show the results of them.

That's why I listed the passer rating for each player. That includes not only TD, but also INT, yards, and completion percentage.

Zeke was targeted 95 times because the team lost its top 3 receiving targets from the previous season, representing 300 passes that had to be distributed somewhere. Also, as unproductive as the typical Zeke target was -- his 1st down % ranked below "others" in both splits -- it was still better than a run by any other RB, and we were already running Zeke more than we wanted to. The OL was easily the worst version that Zeke has had to run behind in his three years. It's the main reason we were terrible in the red zone, the reason Smith looked like a different player, the main reason for all the sacks, and part of the reason so many passes went to Zeke.

 

[blumayne38]

That's why I listed the passer rating for each player. That includes not only TD, but also INT, yards, and completion percentage.

Zeke was targeted 95 times because the team lost its top 3 receiving targets from the previous season, representing 300 passes that had to be distributed somewhere. Also, as unproductive as the typical Zeke target was -- his 1st down % ranked below "others" in both splits -- it was still better than a run by any other RB, and we were already running Zeke more than we wanted to. The OL was easily the worst version that Zeke has had to run behind in his three years. It's the main reason we were terrible in the red zone, the reason Smith looked like a different player, the main reason for all the sacks, and part of the reason so many passes went to Zeke.

I don't buy into the online was a huge problem. It's better then other teams have to work with. The fact we took the fade almost completely out of the redzone playbook to me says alot. Next year will answer more questions as to what is hindering this offense from being high powered. Wich in my opinion it should be

 

[percyhoward]

I don't buy into the online was a huge problem. It's better then other teams have to work with. The fact we took the fade almost completely out of the redzone playbook to me says alot.

Most of what you see below is the result of losing our top 3 receiving targets and All-Pro center (among other OL issues). Same QB, same RB all three years.

sacked rate
2018 28th
2017 14th
2016 14th

red zone TD%
2018 26th
2017 7th
2016 5th

Elliott's success rate inside 10-yd line
2018 33% (7 of 21)
2017 65% (13 of 20)
2016 67% (16 of 24)

Elliott's share of team targets
(only includes games he played)
2018 19%
2017 10%
2016 7%

Prescott's avg intended air yards
(depth of target)
2018 7.6
2017 8.4
2016 8.7

 

[Sevenup3000]

53 rec in 9 games is
5.8 rec per game round that off to 6
6 ×7 = 42
42 + 53 = 95
Not quite 100 rec but close and only
18 more then zekes 77 rec

So....right around 100 rec?

 

[DanA]

I don't buy into the online was a huge problem. It's better then other teams have to work with. The fact we took the fade almost completely out of the redzone playbook to me says alot. Next year will answer more questions as to what is hindering this offense from being high powered. Wich in my opinion it should be

I think O-like had a sneaky big impact. In particular I think Fredbeard improves our ability to communicate at the LOS and helping Dak deal with blitzes.

I agree with the Redzone stuff though.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Share of targets & passer rating
Games 1-7
21% Beasley 117.3
18% Elliott 97.4
13% Hurns 85.1
12% Swaim 120.6
11% Gallup 75.5
25% (9 others) 54.4

Games 8-18
25% Cooper 121.3
18% Elliott 104.2
16% Gallup 80.8
13% Beasley 103.2
9% Jarwin 120.5
19% (9 others) 93.6

% of targets resulting in 1st down/TD
Games 1-7
Beasley 45%
Swaim 45%
Gallup 29%
Hurns 28%
others 25%
Elliott 18%

Games 8-18
Cooper 49%
Jarwin 49%
Beasley 48%
Gallup 33%
others 30%
Elliott 28%

Me likey.
Where'd you get all that?

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Cole Beasley - 65 rec
Amari Cooper - 53 rec
Michael Gallup - 33 rec
Allen Hurns - 20 rec
Zeke Elliott - 77 rec

He's not only the best RB on the team, hes the best WR

How do people think with this WR group we could easily let zeke hold out. We definitely would be losing a huge chunk of our offense.

lol, Cooper is.

 

[Cebrin]

CZ: "Why are we not using Zeke more on the passing game?!?!"

Also CZ: "He HaS tOo MaNy CaTcHeS!"

 

[millennial_legend]

Multiple teams "plug" in WRs and RBs that aren't considered elite and get things done. Recent past Super Bowl winners, in fact, have done this. About the only team that did it with stud WRs was the 2015 Broncos, but even then, Peyton Manning was rotting away and couldn't throw beyond 10 yards.

Nobody asked for scrubs to replace elites - however, good value and solid players go a long way at the RB and WR position. Most importantly, they don't take up a ton of cap space.

The Falcons had great WRs and essentially won it all in 2016