Robert Quinn to visit Cowboys

[Verdict]

The point remains that if the plan is to sign Quinn in order to trade Lawrence, it would be a stupid plan. It doesn't even make us as good as we were last year.

Whether we won't be able to negotiate a contract with Lawrence or he won't play on the tag is a moot point at the moment. Those aren't realities at this time. They are possibilities.

Most everything is a possibility. Let's face it, it is more likely that the team is looking at Quinn as a replacement for Tank rather than adding him to the team with Tank on it. We already have Armstrong, Taco and if you count Tank that's 3 already without a draft pick. If you add Quinn that's 4. You can pretty much count on a draft pick being made at DE. So that would be 5, plus MAYBE Gregory (6).

That's probably not happening. Tank is likley to be traded. It's not certain, but it's likely. Some people just don't want to consider that as a possibility.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I think your heart is working instead of your brain on that last part. This is probably just a reaction to the Gregory situation and an opportunity has presented itself to add a similar player.

Trading Quinn for Lawrence would be idiotic because Quinn is largely a one trick pony at this point, where he can rush the passer well but gets eaten up in the run game. Lawrence is a beast against the run. Swapping Quinn for Lawrence is a step back for this defense. Putting Quinn alongside Lawrence is a step up.

Quinn is no shape or form a suitable replacement for Lawrence. Even purely as a pass rusher, he is solid but he hasnt been on Lawrence's level since 2014. You trade Lawrence, you have a gaping hole on the line that you are pretty much backed into using any draft pick you get for Lawrence on. And then you have to wait until that player reaches their ceiling. If they ever do

 

[Sydla]

Most everything is a possibility. Let's face it, it is more likely that the team is looking at Quinn as a replacement for Tank rather than adding him to the team with Tank on it. We already have Armstrong, Taco and if you count Tank that's 3 already without a draft pick. If you add Quinn that's 4. You can pretty much count on a draft pick being made at DE. So that would be 5, plus MAYBE Gregory (6).

That's probably not happening. Tank is likley to be traded. It's not certain, but it's likely. Some people just don't want to consider that as a possibility.

You keep saying this and have shown us zero proof as to what this is "likely".

Again, your heart and desire to ship Lawrence out of here is making you claim things as fact that are, in fact, not fact.

Again, what's your source/proof for saying it's "likely" Lawrence gets traded?

 

[Rayman70]

this is fake news. I haven't seen any legit reports saying anything about him visiting.

 

[darthseinfeld]

this is fake news. I haven't seen any legit reports saying anything about him visiting.

 

[Gaede]

Hey guys, I dont have time for this thread.

What's the status?

 

[Verdict]

I think your heart is working instead of your brain on that last part. This is probably just a reaction to the Gregory situation and an opportunity has presented itself to add a similar player.

Trading Quinn for Lawrence would be idiotic because Quinn is largely a one trick pony at this point, where he can rush the passer well but gets eaten up in the run game. Lawrence is a beast against the run. Swapping Quinn for Lawrence is a step back for this defense. Putting Quinn alongside Lawrence is a step up.

I am sorry, but I have to disagree. I think you are mixing up the heart and mind.

Your position only takes into account the football decision part of things. If that were all that mattered and there was no cap, I would probably agree with you. But there is a cap, so I don't agree.

In order to get a realistic picture of what may happen you MUST consider the cap implications of the team's options. I said Dez would probably be cut too and that wasn't popular either. Just because something is distasteful for you to consider something doesn't make it unlikely.

 

[darthseinfeld]

this is fake news. I haven't seen any legit reports saying anything about him visiting.

 

[Verdict]

If Quinn has to "agree to the deal" must either involve a no trade clause or a new deal. Otherwise you would think his approval would not be necessary.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Hey guys, I dont have time for this thread.

What's the status?

Meeting with Quinn. Trade talks with the Dolphins. They are will willing to pay some of the salary to facilitate. So far thats what we have

 

[Verdict]

Hey guys, I dont have time for this thread.

What's the status?

No change yet bro from what I understand.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The point remains that if the plan is to sign Quinn in order to trade Lawrence, it would be a stupid plan. It doesn't even make us as good as we were last year.

Whether we won't be able to negotiate a contract with Lawrence or he won't play on the tag is a moot point at the moment. Those aren't realities at this time. They are possibilities.

Yeah, I don't agree. If the plan is to trade Lawrence, then Quinn is a no brainer. In that situation, you need pass rushers and if you can get one that doesn't cost you a draft pick at a bargin, that's a no brain deal. Not making a plan would be stupid.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

"Coaches" meaning the ones that matter............... Marinelli, Garrett.

I believe I said, Position Coaches, in my original post.

 

[Stash]

Most everything is a possibility. Let's face it, it is more likely that the team is looking at Quinn as a replacement for Tank rather than adding him to the team with Tank on it.

False assumption.

Agenda.

No support for this.

We already have Armstrong, Taco and if you count Tank that's 3 already without a draft pick. If you add Quinn that's 4. You can pretty much count on a draft pick being made at DE. So that would be 5, plus MAYBE Gregory (6).

Wow! So many hypotheticals here, all in an effort to try to make Lawrence expendable when he isn't Reaching so far as to mention Gregory now. That's desperate!

That's probably not happening. Tank is likley to be traded. It's not certain, but it's likely. Some people just don't want to consider that as a possibility.

Not likely at all. Some just WISH it were. Clearly.[/quote]

 

[Sydla]

I am sorry, but I have to disagree. I think you are mixing up the heart and mind.

Your position only takes into account the football decision part of things. If that were all that mattered and there was no cap, I would probably agree with you. But there is a cap, so I don't agree.

In order to get a realistic picture of what may happen you MUST consider the cap implications of the team's options. I said Dez would probably be cut too and that wasn't popular either. Just because something is distasteful for you to consider something doesn't make it unlikely.

I am considering the cap implications. The Cowboys can absorb Lawrence even at the tag number. We aren't in a situation where the cap is an issue right now.

Dez was cut, in part, because at that point last year we had far more cap constraints than we have now. We don't have that problem now. Plus comparing cutting Dez to Lawrence is silly because Dez was clearly on the downswing of his career and making too much for what he gave you. Lawrence is an upper echelon DE that if he were a FA right now, would have likely signed a really big FA deal.

It's a faulty comparison.

Let's also note you were the guy who wanted Dez cut and claimed a WR by committe would work. Just like how you are kind of suggesting the DEs without Lawrence would work too.

 

[Sydla]

I believe I said, Position Coaches, in my original post.

And in my original post I said it was Marinelli who was a big voice in not taking him. I am not sure where your disagreement with this is. I never said the position coaches didn't like Watt. I said the scouts were big on him but Marinelli wanted no part of him and that's a big reason he wasn't drafted.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

this is fake news. I haven't seen any legit reports saying anything about him visiting.

The Cowboys themselves have said he's suppose to visit today as well as sports writers in the area.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I am considering the cap implications. The Cowboys can absorb Lawrence even at the tag number. We aren't in a situation where the cap is an issue right now.

Dez was cut, in part, because at that point last year we had far more cap constraints than we have now. We don't have that problem now. Plus comparing cutting Dez to Lawrence is silly because Dez was clearly on the downswing of his career and making too much for what he gave you. Lawrence is an upper echelon DE that if he were a FA right now, would have likely signed a really big FA deal.

It's a faulty comparison.

Dez also went unsigned for most of the season. Everyone knew he was practically finished.

 

[Alexander]

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Yet he has no problem with a player deliberately playing at less than 100% for a team paying him top dollar.

I'm pro-player. Not pro-owner. I could care less about Jerry or his pockets. He's trying to get a contract. He's using his injury as leverage. I have no problem with it. But keep siding with the owner.