Garrett comment on Tank

[Diehardblues]

I know how it works. And you can rationalize all the things that happen. You can look for guilty parties/ones or who are responsible for it. But that isnt where we have to start when you think about the problem.

Humans are not bad or good. They just adjust to their surrounding. If the surrounding rewards greediness then people will get greedy. So you will get a greedy society. If the surrounding rewards being asocial then people will become egomanic. And you will get a asocial society.

It is always the question first: what are the values we want to let define our society. Then you implement a system that rewards people for following those values.

This is a systemic problem we have not one of the people living in it. People just trying to survive. Make a living. There is nothing wrong with that.

Free market, deregulation and privatisation are one of the worst things in modern time.

This frustration with citizens who have special talents and abilities which are well compensated is childish.

 

[TwentyOne]

This frustration with citizens who have special talents and abilities which are well compensated is childish.

Man this is just a stupid answer.

Just because you cant follow my thoughts doesnt mean that you need to pollute the air.

What a stupid stupid post.

 

[conner01]

Who make 20 Mil?

Mack makes 23.5
That would put him 3.5 behind Mack
Miller makes 19 but it’s a 3 year old deal
You have to factor age of contracts

 

[Diehardblues]

Man this is just a stupid answer.

Just because you cant follow my thoughts doesnt mean that you need to pollute the air.

What a stupid stupid post.

My apologies. Didn’t meant to get off track.

 

[Melonfeud]

Anyone who thinks Tank is a lazy guy only in it for the money needs to watch da film. His technique is immaculate and he hustles as hard as any DE you are going to see. Dude has worked hard to get to where he is at.

As far as Garrett, he's just stating the obvious.

Ya know, I've been refusing, on buying in on this opined view several forum members have been bandying about,saying this shoulder surgery is intentionally being put off in order to be recuperating & unable to play in some games during the upcoming season,,, that angle of it being a purposely planned industrial sabotage never did jibe or sit right with me,in what I've seen out of him as a player so far, and there's always a cut-off limit in negotiations to where terms are deemed unacceptable and further negotiating is pointless.

 

[Stash]

It really isn't. Is 300 yards better than 242 if the player with 300 yards thows 2-3 INTs and the player with 242 throws 0-1 INTs? You are looking for a simple, one stop measuring stick, and there just isn't one. The whole picture has to be looked at.

Yes. So stop using a single team stat for an individual.

One other point to take note of is the guys that you called "mistakes" (Cousins, Stafford and Carr) were signed more on yardage than winning, so your own example is working against your argument.

They were examples of mistakes. Mistakes I have no desire to repeat.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Wait until Dak, Zeke and Coops negotiations start.

 

[uvaballa]

Give him 20 mil a year and let’s go
He’s not gonna play for what he got last year
If he wants much more than let his agent find a team that will pay it and we can make that happen for him

Should have done that last season. Everyone knows the longer you wait the more the price goes up. Team brought it on themselves.

 

[OmerV]

Yes. So stop using a single team stat for an individual.



They were examples of mistakes. Mistakes I have no desire to repeat.

Because it’s more important for the QB to have stats than it is to win?

In any case, I’ve told you repeatedly that I don’t consider wins a definitive measure of a QB, and that it should only be one of many factors when evaluating - that the whole picture has to be looked at. But that doesn’t fit the argument you want to make, so you pretend I’m putting all the emphasis on a QBs record.

Of course, earlier I said that like it or not, fair or not, teams put a heavy emphasis on it. But there wasn’t a team to argue with on that point, so you pretended it was me doing what I said teams do.

 

[conner01]

Should have done that last season. Everyone knows the longer you wait the more the price goes up. Team brought it on themselves.

Had they done it last season abd he got injured people would complain about that
It was worth the risk to me
If he had done the surgery right after the season this would be done
Now if you pay him he’s likely to miss games and could be several yet you still have to pay him

 

[Stash]

Because it’s more important for the QB to have stats than it is to win?

Because teams win , not just quarterbacks. Don't be intentionally deceitful.

In any case, I’ve told you repeatedly that I don’t consider wins a definitive measure of a QB, and that it should only be one of many factors when evaluating - that the whole picture has to be looked at. But that doesn’t fit the argument you want to make, so you pretend I’m putting all the emphasis on a QBs record.

Ok, as long as you acknowledge that wins are a team stat.

Of course, earlier I said that like it or not, fair or not, teams put a heavy emphasis on it. But there wasn’t a team to argue with on that point, so you pretended it was me doing what I said teams do.

Don't try to speak for "teams" and there won't be an issue

 

[OmerV]

Because teams win , not just quarterbacks. Don't be intentionally deceitful.



Ok, as long as you acknowledge that wins are a team stat.



Don't try to speak for "teams" and there won't be an issue

I’ve never indictated wins weren’t a team stat. You just preferred to respond to me as if I did.

Lol - we all talk about what teams do - it’s a public forum where that goes on all the time. Haven’t you noticed?

Besides, it’s pretty silly to suggest teams don’t put more weight on wins when evaluating QBs than they do with other positions. That goes with the position.

 

[Stash]

I’ve never indictated wins weren’t a team stat. You just preferred to respond to me as if I did.

Sure thing, while you kept mentioning it as a prop for Prescott.

Lol - we all talk about what teams do - it’s a public forum where that goes on all the time. Haven’t you noticed?

There's no "we", there's you. Haven't you noticed?

Besides, it’s pretty silly to suggest teams don’t put more weight on wins when evaluating QBs than they do with other positions. That goes with the position.

It's pretty hypocritical - and unaware - to talk about how "teams" value wins, while first talking about how teams paid guys like Cousins, Stafford, and Carr when they "didn't win", but I guess that obvious contradiction never occurred to him when you typed it, did it?

You want to talk "silly"? Start with that.

 

[OmerV]

Sure thing, while you kept mentioning it as a prop for Prescott.



There's no "we", there's you. Haven't you noticed?



It's pretty hypocritical - and unaware - to talk about how "teams" value wins, while first talking about how teams paid guys like Cousins, Stafford, and Carr when they "didn't win", but I guess that obvious contradiction never occurred to him when you typed it, did it?

You want to talk "silly"? Start with that.

I’m mentioning it because it is the topic we were discussing, same as the reason you are talking about it. It got this far because I mentioned the QBs are judged more by winning than other positions. Which is true. It’s why Aikman is in the Hall of Fame.

Lol - so you are telling me I’m the only one on this website that comments on what happens with NFL teams. That’s funny - you’ll venture deep into the absurd to maintain an argument.

As for Cousins, Stafford and Carr, they were the mistakes, right? Your words. As for being hypocritical, again (and again, and again, and yet again), I never said judging solely on wins is a smart watch to judge. Or on yardage, as you have argued is a good measure. Judging on yardage is what caused those mistakes with Cousins, Stamford and Carr. I’ve said all along there are a lot of things that make up the overall picture. You are the one that insists judging QBs has to about one measure only.

 

[Stash]

I’m mentioning it because it is the topic we were discussing, same as the reason you are talking about it. It got this far because I mentioned the QBs are judged more by winning than other positions. Which is true. It’s why Aikman is in the Hall of Fame.

Lol - so you are telling me I’m the only one on this website that comments on what happens with NFL teams. That’s funny - you’ll venture deep into the absurd to maintain an argument.

Lol some more, you dig sound enough like an immature child. Other than you trying to speak for "what happens with NFL teams", that continues to be hilarious.

As for Cousins, Stafford and Carr, they were the mistakes, right? Your words. As for being hypocritical, again (and again, and again, and yet again), I never said judging solely on wins is a smart watch to judge. Or on yardage, as you have argued is a good measure. Judging on yardage is what caused those mistakes with Cousins, Stamford and Carr. I’ve said all along there are a lot of things that make up the overall picture. You are the one that insists judging QBs has to about one measure only.

You're the guy that tried - and failed - to speak for "teams, and how they value team wins when it comes to quarterbacks, right after you yourself claimed that those teams paid big bucks for quarterbacks that "didn't win". Keep digging that hole and looking foolish. I'll keep mentioning it.

 

[OmerV]

Lol some more, you dig sound enough like an immature child. Other than you trying to speak for "what happens with NFL teams", that continues to be hilarious.



You're the guy that tried - and failed - to speak for "teams, and how they value team wins when it comes to quarterbacks, right after you yourself claimed that those teams paid big bucks for quarterbacks that "didn't win". Keep digging that hole and looking foolish. I'll keep mentioning it.

Apparently you are under the impression there are a lot of winning QBs available, and the Lions, Vikings and Raiders all passed on those guys. It’s convenient for you to forget that winning teams don’t let their QBs walk, and that’s why guys like Cousins are the free agents available to choose from.

And, again, your entire argument is still based clinging to the blatantly false notion that I am pushing a QBs record as the only criteria for judging a QB. If you were to let go of that fantasy you would have nothing to say.

 

[Stash]

Apparently you are under the impression there are a lot of winning QBs available, and the Lions, Vikings and Raiders all passed on those guys. It’s convenient for you to forget that winning teams don’t let their QBs walk, and that’s why guys like Cousins are the free agents available to choose from.

Nobody "forgot" anything. I certainly didn't "forget" the point, that teams paid big money for quarterbacks who aren't worth what they paid. You know, the point.

And, again, your entire argument is still based clinging to the blatantly false notion that I am pushing a QBs record as the only criteria for judging a QB. If you were to let go of that fantasy you would have nothing to say.

Don't dare talk of anyone else's "fantasy" when you argue for argument's sake and can't even keep yourself straight. Talk more about how "teams value quarterback wins" right after you talk about how "they paid quarterbacks who didn't win". You can't even keep your story straight.

How embarrassing for you.

 

[OmerV]

Nobody "forgot" anything. I certainly didn't "forget" the point, that teams paid big money for quarterbacks who aren't worth what they paid. You know, the point.



Don't dare talk of anyone else's "fantasy" when you argue for argument's sake and can't even keep yourself straight. Talk more about how "teams value quarterback wins" right after you talk about how "they paid quarterbacks who didn't win". You can't even keep your story straight.

How embarrassing for you.

I never said they got their money worth with those QBs, now did I? But you’ve been arguing those guys are proof that teams don’t put a premium on winning with QBs, all the while ignoring that there weren’t QBs from winning teams available to choose from.

 

[TwentyOne]

My apologies. Didn’t meant to get off track.

All good man. All good!

 

[Beast_from_East]

The soon to be former HC of the Cowboys? No one cares what he thinks

Exactly...…………..DLaw should say, "shut the hell up Clappy, this is between me, my agent, and the Joneses".

Garrett should not be commenting on what salary a player should make, its his job to coach the team, not put it together.