Dallas should explore Dak trade value

[Floatyworm]

First off no way you trade away your franchise QB that hasnt hit his prime yet but for the silly Dak haters i will say Dak would get 3 first round picks minimal. I would would take Baker Mayfield and a first and third this year.

LOL...He sucks. He's the only thing holding us back.

I'd trade him in a heartbeat

 

[Vanilla2]

What’s the saying

A squirrel in the hand?

 

[Jake]

It would seem a rationale person would look at investing a 4th and minimal dollars and getting back a haul that includes a first and then some is good business.

Especially for a player that is limited.

Fair point. But let's not forget the people who invested that 4th only did so after trying to trade up for Paxton Lynch then Connor Cook earlier in that draft.

How much confidence do we have they'll select a better one?

 

[glimmerman]

I agree for the most part. But Mayfield is the only QB in that draft class I like. But still, can't be sure about anything after one year.

I'll give Dak a pass on the sacks because I'd rather him take a sack than throw a pick. I would like to see him throw it away more often.

Definitely agree on throwing it away instead of a sack. And I know they don’t want him taking hits running it when he shouldn’t but watching him stand there and scan the field and there is nothing open but a big hole in front of him that I could run through is crazy. He is looking right at it. A few of those in a game and they will have to take a lb or defender and spy him. That’s one less in coverage.

Easy for me to say. Lol

 

[Stash]

Your right. At the end of the day what D-Law got is pretty much average for the new pay scale for the position. I do think with his injury history that it scares me. I don’t worrry about the suspension.

It’s gonna be the same with Dak. The position pay scale goes up every year. And barring injury he is going to have alike or better numbers than last year..

Teams look at his win/loss record. Comp %. Tds vs Int. Stats.. it’s a team game but when you look at pay they will look at stats and the fact he won the division 2 out of 3 years. Went to the playoffs 2 out of 3 years. Only missed 2017 by 1 game. And he has only been playing for 3 years.

Any other team and any other qb and we would be begging to have a qb like that. Lol.

It's a tough balancing act to be sure. I certainly have no desire to going back to being one of the "have not's" like we were between the Aikman and Romo eras. But at the same time, I don't want to join the six teams with the highest-paid quarterbacks out of the playoffs and have buyers' remorse like several of them already do.

Essentially, I want to keep the guy but not overpay.

 

[DCBoysfan]

This board loses IQ points daily.

I done think we is at negative 40 right about now.

This

 

[Bullflop]

Right now, we lack a QB capable of replacing Dak without a significant drop in production. He's sure to be our guy until that situation changes. Of course, it's possible that his contract negotiations will be testy whenever the time for that comes up. Looks like another contentious negotiation will put Stephen to the test. Let's just hope it all works out for the best.

 

[glimmerman]

It's a tough balancing act to be sure. I certainly have no desire to going back to being one of the "have not's" like we were between the Aikman and Romo eras. But at the same time, I don't want to join the six teams with the highest-paid quarterbacks out of the playoffs and have buyers' remorse like several of them already do.

Essentially, I want to keep the guy but not overpay.

I am sure that’s what SJ is saying. Sign him now and its going to be 25 a year. Wait till next year and barring a catastrophe it will be 30.

 

[Stash]

Fair point. But let's not forget the people who invested that 4th only did so after trying to trade up for Paxton Lynch then Connor Cook earlier in that draft.

How much confidence do we have they'll select a better one?

That's yet another scary part to this equation. And I can't help but to think it plays some measure of a role in the Jones' seeming rush to get a deal done quickly. They don't trust themselves either and much prefer getting a deal done so they can show the league that 'they got theirs in the fourth round.'

 

[Stash]

I am sure that’s what SJ is saying. Sign him now and its going to be 25 a year. Wait till next year and barring a catastrophe it will be 30.

I'm not so sure that it's "barring catastrophe". What if he's simply the same guy with no improvement from 2018? Still requiring that elite running game and top defense to win 10 games?

I'm not paying that guy $25 - $30 million.

 

[glimmerman]

I'm not so sure that it's "barring catastrophe". What if he's simply the same guy with no improvement from 2018? Still requiring that elite running game and top defense to win 10 games?

I'm not paying that guy $25 - $30 million.

That’s why I mean barring catastrophe. He is still going to have that.

O-Line is going to be healthy and Fredbeard back. Improvement.

A RB with the talent of Elliot going into a contract year will be running like his hair is on fire. And he has a improved line to run behind. Improvement.

A full year with Cooper and then Gallup who will likely take a step forward. Along with the other WR. Improvement.

TE will be improved with another year of Jarvin and Schultz. I think Witten will help also. Improvement.

Everything he has had and needs should improve this year. Now if he sets around all year and does soup commercials and don’t work in his game then maybe his play don’t improve. Other than that it’s just going to be better.

The only wildcard I see in the Offense is Moore.

 

[gimmesix]

It is like all the Lawrence threads with a different name. Sorry for those that dislike Dak, they will get him signed to a 5/6/7 year deal sometime before the season starts. Just reality.

I have little doubt about that. I'm not in favor of it because I think the team should wait a year and if Dak shows throughout 2019 that he's clearly a franchise QB, then go for it. Based on how he has played, I think he falls somewhere between his 2016 performance (which was franchise worthy) and his 2017 performance (which was not franchise worthy). He had a 96.3 quarterback rating in 2018, finished 17th in total QBR, according to ESPN, 18th in nfl.com's Quarterback Index. Now, both Goff and Brady were in that range, but Brady had his worst year since 2014 and I'm not quite sure yet that Goff is a franchise quarterback either.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

So if you're "doubting we're going to see that much improvement", why are you panicking about paying him sooner? That's a contradiction.



Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl too, as did Brad Johnson. That's on their "resumes" as well. But that doesn't mean that they were good, it just means that they were on great teams that carried them.



I'll present the exact opposite reasoning. This team isn't in the Super Bowl, but you rushed to pay the quarterback. Now you're stuck, your coach was fired for not reaching the Super Bowl, and you now need to find a coach willing to sign on to coach a grossly overpaid quarterback. You yourself said "I doubt we're going to see that much improvement from Dak waiting another year."



While I don't deny that all of these played a role, it's also undeniable that the quarterbacking did as well.

Couple points here and this just my take.....

The whole theory of a team carrying QB or he needs weapons around him is simple BS IMO. NO QB not named Brady can win this league w/o combination of weapons, coaching or great defense. I challenge any fan to show a winning Super Bowl QB that didn't have at least 2 of these combinations. Example.....look no further than the final four teams NFL championship games.

Ram....loaded with talent on both side of the ball
Saints...see Rams and Peyton
Chiefs ....Ford, Houston, Hunt, Hill, and Reid
Pats.......Brady and Belichick says it all

Wanna hear something funny, over the last 3 years the majority, if not most fans have wanted both Garrett and Linehan fired but the Cowboys have won anyway, even making the playoffs 2 out 3 years. Who gets credit for that? (Bad coach AND QB) Either Dak is pretty darn good ( winning with TWO bad coaches ), Garrett and Linehan were not as bad as some fans wanted you to believe, or many fans are misguided by personal emotions/agendas coz you can't have it both ways. Hell, bad QB with bad coaches yet you still winning AND making the playoffs. How many fans we never hear say one word about the top talent most so-called elite QBs are surrounded with but Dak can't win w/o it. Again this is just my take, but I care about one thing WINNING. As long as we're doing that, someone (coaches, players, FO ) is doing there job. We as fans may not like the way it's being done or sexy enough but it's getting done.

With regard to "doubting Dak would improve"......it's doubting you're going to see that much improvement in a year ( timeline of waiting to extend ). It's why I said we could see a slight bump in his stats from 2018 -2019.

 

[conner01]

Because what they have is a hot mess. And they see what another team has and wants that. They don’t realize what is around the individual player that make the TEAM win. I hate to say it but the egirls put together players and scheme around foles. And the guy won them a sb. I was totally surprised he didn’t get a huge contract. But I think teams saw enough of him to know he has a big chance to be a flop.

The key is a TEAM and a scheme that works for what you have
The right scheme I think Dak can be a good

 

[Whyjerry]

After Stephan comments about Dak needing to sign team friendly deal and Dak on record as saying there will be no discount...an impasse is coming. Rather than get into issue of is Dak good or not, what could Cowboy get in trade if long term deal can't be agreed upon.


Note:
Denver received TWO 1st & 3rd for Jay Cutler
Cincy received 1st & 2nd for Carson Palmer
Eagles received 1st & 4th round pick for Sam Bradford.

If your Stephan, what would you need back in trade?

Note: this is not to get into large debate about if Dallas should or shouldn't do this but merely an exercise in what you think his current trade value is.

Not sure if this is trolling. If so, good job. If not why would a team primed for a deep playoff run trade their starting QB? Has a team ever done that? With a nearly 3-1 TD to INT ratio, a top YPA, and a winning record as a QB what has Dak done to deserve being traded? Has this coaching staff helped this guy with the terrible offensive scheme?

You Dak bashers are idiotic. You really are.

 

[Nightman]

I don't want to join the six teams with the highest-paid quarterbacks out of the playoffs and have buyers' remorse like several of them already do.

That is such a non-sequitor

Having a good to great QB is a requirement in the NFL

I guess PManning, RWilson, TBrady, ARodgers, DBrees, Big Ben teams never made the playoffs after they got paid???

The idea of paying the QB means no one else can be any good or get paid is ridiculous.... the Cap is 188m plus rollover or 200m in our case... we can carry a 20m cap hit for the QB right now

 

[Kevinicus]

The only people that would suggest trading Dak at this point in his career are those that just don’t think Dak is special. It’s disrespectful imo.

I’m from Mississippi and I was ecstatic that Dallas drafted Dak, exp late in the 4th round. I knew he would be great value at that spot. Although, I assumed he would sit behind Romo for a couple of years and be atleast a serviceable backup, as I really didn’t know how he would fair at the NFL level. That said, Dak was thrown to the wolves his rookie season and surprised even the most pessimistic fan. I must admit, I have had doubts myself..And yes, he has his warts as a young player..but at his age, he’s done as much as any other young QB to prove himself in this league.

Folks can spout off statistics all they want. All I know.. is two out of the three years he’s been our starter he’s brought our Boys to the playoffs. The fact that some are still advocating we trade him for unknown draft picks is just plain disrespectful. The kid is young, mature, a gamer, and most of all.. a winner. I’m done.

.. maybe I’m not done. I find it hilarious. I would place a wager that some on this site would prob trade for Carson Wentz and never say the derogatory things ab him as they have ab Dak. Even though, Wentz hasn’t accomplished what Dak has. As a matter of fact, it took journeyman Foles to give Philly their first title. Smh.

It's disrespectful to think Dak is not special? It's disrespectful to be smart?

 

[Nightman]

That's yet another scary part to this equation. And I can't help but to think it plays some measure of a role in the Jones' seeming rush to get a deal done quickly. They don't trust themselves either and much prefer getting a deal done so they can show the league that 'they got theirs in the fourth round.'

They want to get deals done this year so they can get around the 30% Rule next year since the CBA is expiring

Getting it done now allows them to pro-rate the big Signing Bonus sooner and allows for a tiny base salary Year One

 

[Hawkeye0202]

I'll present the exact opposite reasoning. This team isn't in the Super Bowl, but you rushed to pay the quarterback. Now you're stuck, your coach was fired for not reaching the Super Bowl, and you now need to find a coach willing to sign on to coach a grossly overpaid quarterback. You yourself said "I doubt we're going to see that much improvement from Dak waiting another year."

Just my take......Dak resume speaks for itself.

 

[Brax]

Talking heads are at a concensus tthat he is a franchise QB.

some are some are not, hence the debate, the only consensus is the minds of Dak followers.