The myth of Dak compared to reality

[America's Cowboy]

Just a question and maybe a show of hands. Has anyone changed their position on Dak Prescott with all of these threads about him? Anyone?

And it is not accurate to say he is an inaccurate passer. He is an inconsistent passer and misses some QB 101 passes, that does not show up in any stats, just the eye test. And they all miss passes but some of the ones he misses are the same type ones he missed in college. And maybe he will get better, I just haven't seen that yet.

I've changed my mind, CC. I now love me some...

Ok, I'd better not say it.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

In this research i wanted to use facts to either prove the myth of Dak true or false. I will not be using the "eye" bias but instead lay out the facts. I used Pro Football reference for most of this research. Folks like to say Dak stepped into the greatest position for a rookie QB ( they say rookie because of the offense that QBs like Mahomes have but not as rookies cause they sat on the bench). I also didn't use guys like Brady because he only threw 3 passes as a rookie........only completed 1 of them so 33.3% competition haha.

First i will list these QBs that people have said are better than Dak with some of the best players on their team and than at the end give all their stats. These are rookie stats and teams only.


Peyton Manning QB
Had Marshall Faulk HB and Marvin Harrison WR, didn't have a terrible OL but wasn't great either.

Andy Dalton QB (Probowl as rookie)
Cedric Benson HB, A.J Green WR, Jermaine Gresham TE ( was a probowler that year and was pretty good at this time), also had a decent OL. Thats a really good situation for a rookie QB.

Matt Ryan QB
Michael Turner RB (All-pro that year), Roddy White WR (Probowl that year) and a pretty good OL although none made the probowl that year.

Andrew Luck QB (Probowl as a rookie)
Had Reggie Wayne WR and that's pretty much it.

Russell Wilson QB (Probowl as a rookie)
Marshawn Lynch RB (All-pro), Sidney Rice WR, Golden Tate WR, Doug Baldwin WR, Zach Miller TE and had a really good OL with 2 being probowlers and 1 All-pro. Safe to say Wilson had a much better team as a rookie QB, better coach and by far a better defense than Dak had as a rookie.

Cam Newton QB (Probowl as rookie)
Steve Smith WR, Greg Olson TE, Jeremy Shockey TE, DeAngelo Williams RB and a decent OL.

Ben Roethlisberger QB
Hines Ward WR, Marvel Smith OT, Alan Faneca LG (All-pro that year), Jeff Hartings C (All-pro that year) Jerome Bettis RB. Here is another case where it's pretty clear Ben had a much better team as a rookie QB. In fact this was most likely the best situation for any QB in league history. He also benefited from a great defense and Hall of Fame coaching. By the way his production decreased the next 2 years like some say about Dak but thats false as well.

Jameis Winston QB (Probowl as rookie)
Doug Martin RB (All-pro that year), Mike Evans, Vincent Jackson and a pretty good OL but only 1 going to the probowl that year.

Deshaun Watson QB
Lamar Miller RB, DeAndre Hopkins WR, Will Fuller WR and had an ok OL. Only played 6 games that year because he got injured but was tearing up the league in those first 6 games.....helps having the talent he had as well.

Baker Mayfield QB
Nick Chubb RB, Duke Johnson RB, Carlos Hyde RB, Jarvis Landry WR, David Njoku TE and a really good OL. I know it's the Browns but this is really good talent on offense for a rookie QB.

Dan Marino QB (Probowl as a rookie)
Mark Duper WR, Bob Kuechenberg LG, Dwight Stephenson C, Ed Newman RG and also had 2 great backs in Tony Nathan and FB Andra Franklin. This is a really good offense for a rookie QB. Thought it would be fun to use Marino because his rookie season is a top 10 season for rookies.

Dak Prescott QB (Probowl as rookie)
Ezekiel Elliott RB (leading rusher), Jason Witten TE, Dez Bryant WR and 3 all-pro OL. This is a good situation for a rookie QB but it's not the best. OL is the strength but Dez and Witten were on the decline.




Now let's look at these QBs stats and see how they shape up against each other.

Peyton Manning 3-13 record.
56.7% completion. 3739 yards passing. 26 TDs 28 INTs. 6.5 ypa. 233 ypg. 71.2 rating. 1 game winning drive and 1--4th quarter comeback.

Ben Roethlisberger 13-0 record.
66.4% completion. 2621 yards passing. 17 TDs 11 INTs. 8.9 ypa. 187 ypg. 98.1 rating. 5 game winning drives. 4--4th quarter comebacks

Russell Wilson 11-5 record.
64.1% completion. 3118 yards passing. 26 TDs 10 INTs. 7.9 ypa. 194 ypg. 100 rating. 72.7 QBR. 4 Game winning drives. 3--4th quarter cornerback.

Andrew Luck 11-5 record.
54.1% completion. 4374 yards passing. 23 TDs 18 INTs. 7.0 ypa. 273.4 ypg. 76.5 rating. 65.6 QBR. 7 game winning drives. 4--4th quarter comebacks.

Deshaun Watson 3-3 record.
61.8% completion. 1699 yards passing. 19 TDs 8 INTs. 8.3 ypa. 242.7 ypg. 103 rating. 83.6 QBR. 0 game winning drives. 4--4th quarter comebacks.

Matt Ryan 11-5 record.
61.1% completion. 3440 yards passing. 16 TDs 11 INTs. 7.9 ypa. 215 ypg. 87.7 rating. 68.5 QBR. 4 game winning drives. 2--4th quarter comebacks.

Jameis Winston 6-10 record.
58.3% completion. 4042 yards passing. 22 TDs 15 INTs. 7.6 ypa. 252.6 ypg. 84.2 rating. 61.1 QBR. 3 game winning drives. 2--4th quarter comebacks.

Cam Newton 6-10 record.
60% completion. 4051 yards passing. 21 TDs 17 INTs. 7.8 ypa. 253.2 ypg. 84.5 rating. 58.1 QBR. 1 game winning drive. 1--4th quarter comeback.

Andy Dalton 9-7 record
58.1% completion. 3398 yards passing. 20 TDs 13 INTs. 6.6 ypa. 212.4 ypg. 80.4 rating. 46.9 QBR. 4 game winning drives. 4--4th quarter comebacks.

Dan Marino 7-2 record.
58.4% completion. 2210 yards passing. 20 TDs 6 INTs. 7.5 ypa. 200.9 ypg. 96 rating. 2 game winning drives. 1--4th quarter comebacks.

Carson Wentz 7-9 record.
62.8% completion. 3782 yards passing. 16 TDs 14 INTs. 6.2 ypa. 236.4 ypg. 79.3 rating. 49.4 QBR. 1 game winning drive. 1--4th quarter comeback.

Dak Prescott 13-3 record.
67.8% completion. 3667 yards passing. 23 TDs 4 INTs. 8.0 ypa. 229.2 ypg. 104.9 rating. 78.8 QBR.
5 game winning drives. 5--4th quarter comebacks.





So as you can see Dak hasnt had the best situation as a rookie QB and beats most every rookie QB in every stat. So the myth these doubters and haters keep spewing from their mouths about Dak is just that. It's false and a blatant lie. For all the Dak supporters y'all already knew this and are ahead of the others.

totally meaningless and another dak lover coming up with meaningless stats to support dak as an elite QB...given you are trying to compare him to all time greats..... Dan Marino played in a different era of football. did you do the adjustments for that? so did peytom manning. over the years rules have changed to favor offensive passing. when marino was passing for all those yards...he was unique....today, we have 4000 yard passers routinely and we have had over 5000 yards passing...several times....

the difference is a lot of the QBs listed above lifted the players around them. they elevated the team. Dak needs good players around him to be any good. we have heard those stories from all Dak lovers..... Dak doesn't elevate players around him. they elevate him....

now, with that said, it doesn't mean that Dak is a bad player. don't take it that way.... it means given some good players around him, he can lead the team to victory. and there is nothing wrong with that.. so you dak lovers don't get your shorts tied in a knot....

... Dak has a lot of intangibles, like leadership, drive and commitment and for what ever reason, when game is on the line he elevates his game (but then again why can't he do that the first 3.5 quarters). ... will Dak elevate to an elite passer? we don't know. just have to wait and see. he has a good QB coach in Kitna that can fix some of his basic fundamental flaws (and I can't believe we need that 3 years into his career and after 4 years of college). he has the tools around him. lets see if he can elevate his game and be a top 10 passer in this league...... there are no excuses....

wait.... I know coaches....you Dak lovers have one more card you are going to slam on the table when the times comes (hopefull it won't)....but don't forget Romo was an elite passer with the same coaches....so maybe there is no more excuses this year....except for....drum roll please.... he is only in his 4th year in the league....give him time....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Daks 2nd and 3rd year were very similiar, well at least in scoring.

Also this myth he is inaccurate is false. Just look at his ypa and completion percentage. It doesn't show a dink and dunk passer or inaccurate.

actually I like to see yards in the air per pass...meaning where is he attacking defenses.....YPA includes yards after catch, which highly benefits the QB in that category. cooper has been great in YAC's...

 

[PAPPYDOG]

In this research i wanted to use facts to either prove the myth of Dak true or false. I will not be using the "eye" bias but instead lay out the facts. I used Pro Football reference for most of this research. Folks like to say Dak stepped into the greatest position for a rookie QB ( they say rookie because of the offense that QBs like Mahomes have but not as rookies cause they sat on the bench). I also didn't use guys like Brady because he only threw 3 passes as a rookie........only completed 1 of them so 33.3% competition haha.

First i will list these QBs that people have said are better than Dak with some of the best players on their team and than at the end give all their stats. These are rookie stats and teams only.


Peyton Manning QB
Had Marshall Faulk HB and Marvin Harrison WR, didn't have a terrible OL but wasn't great either.

Andy Dalton QB (Probowl as rookie)
Cedric Benson HB, A.J Green WR, Jermaine Gresham TE ( was a probowler that year and was pretty good at this time), also had a decent OL. Thats a really good situation for a rookie QB.

Matt Ryan QB
Michael Turner RB (All-pro that year), Roddy White WR (Probowl that year) and a pretty good OL although none made the probowl that year.

Andrew Luck QB (Probowl as a rookie)
Had Reggie Wayne WR and that's pretty much it.

Russell Wilson QB (Probowl as a rookie)
Marshawn Lynch RB (All-pro), Sidney Rice WR, Golden Tate WR, Doug Baldwin WR, Zach Miller TE and had a really good OL with 2 being probowlers and 1 All-pro. Safe to say Wilson had a much better team as a rookie QB, better coach and by far a better defense than Dak had as a rookie.

Cam Newton QB (Probowl as rookie)
Steve Smith WR, Greg Olson TE, Jeremy Shockey TE, DeAngelo Williams RB and a decent OL.

Ben Roethlisberger QB
Hines Ward WR, Marvel Smith OT, Alan Faneca LG (All-pro that year), Jeff Hartings C (All-pro that year) Jerome Bettis RB. Here is another case where it's pretty clear Ben had a much better team as a rookie QB. In fact this was most likely the best situation for any QB in league history. He also benefited from a great defense and Hall of Fame coaching. By the way his production decreased the next 2 years like some say about Dak but thats false as well.

Jameis Winston QB (Probowl as rookie)
Doug Martin RB (All-pro that year), Mike Evans, Vincent Jackson and a pretty good OL but only 1 going to the probowl that year.

Deshaun Watson QB
Lamar Miller RB, DeAndre Hopkins WR, Will Fuller WR and had an ok OL. Only played 6 games that year because he got injured but was tearing up the league in those first 6 games.....helps having the talent he had as well.

Baker Mayfield QB
Nick Chubb RB, Duke Johnson RB, Carlos Hyde RB, Jarvis Landry WR, David Njoku TE and a really good OL. I know it's the Browns but this is really good talent on offense for a rookie QB.

Dan Marino QB (Probowl as a rookie)
Mark Duper WR, Bob Kuechenberg LG, Dwight Stephenson C, Ed Newman RG and also had 2 great backs in Tony Nathan and FB Andra Franklin. This is a really good offense for a rookie QB. Thought it would be fun to use Marino because his rookie season is a top 10 season for rookies.

Dak Prescott QB (Probowl as rookie)
Ezekiel Elliott RB (leading rusher), Jason Witten TE, Dez Bryant WR and 3 all-pro OL. This is a good situation for a rookie QB but it's not the best. OL is the strength but Dez and Witten were on the decline.




Now let's look at these QBs stats and see how they shape up against each other.

Peyton Manning 3-13 record.
56.7% completion. 3739 yards passing. 26 TDs 28 INTs. 6.5 ypa. 233 ypg. 71.2 rating. 1 game winning drive and 1--4th quarter comeback.

Ben Roethlisberger 13-0 record.
66.4% completion. 2621 yards passing. 17 TDs 11 INTs. 8.9 ypa. 187 ypg. 98.1 rating. 5 game winning drives. 4--4th quarter comebacks

Russell Wilson 11-5 record.
64.1% completion. 3118 yards passing. 26 TDs 10 INTs. 7.9 ypa. 194 ypg. 100 rating. 72.7 QBR. 4 Game winning drives. 3--4th quarter cornerback.

Andrew Luck 11-5 record.
54.1% completion. 4374 yards passing. 23 TDs 18 INTs. 7.0 ypa. 273.4 ypg. 76.5 rating. 65.6 QBR. 7 game winning drives. 4--4th quarter comebacks.

Deshaun Watson 3-3 record.
61.8% completion. 1699 yards passing. 19 TDs 8 INTs. 8.3 ypa. 242.7 ypg. 103 rating. 83.6 QBR. 0 game winning drives. 4--4th quarter comebacks.

Matt Ryan 11-5 record.
61.1% completion. 3440 yards passing. 16 TDs 11 INTs. 7.9 ypa. 215 ypg. 87.7 rating. 68.5 QBR. 4 game winning drives. 2--4th quarter comebacks.

Jameis Winston 6-10 record.
58.3% completion. 4042 yards passing. 22 TDs 15 INTs. 7.6 ypa. 252.6 ypg. 84.2 rating. 61.1 QBR. 3 game winning drives. 2--4th quarter comebacks.

Cam Newton 6-10 record.
60% completion. 4051 yards passing. 21 TDs 17 INTs. 7.8 ypa. 253.2 ypg. 84.5 rating. 58.1 QBR. 1 game winning drive. 1--4th quarter comeback.

Andy Dalton 9-7 record
58.1% completion. 3398 yards passing. 20 TDs 13 INTs. 6.6 ypa. 212.4 ypg. 80.4 rating. 46.9 QBR. 4 game winning drives. 4--4th quarter comebacks.

Dan Marino 7-2 record.
58.4% completion. 2210 yards passing. 20 TDs 6 INTs. 7.5 ypa. 200.9 ypg. 96 rating. 2 game winning drives. 1--4th quarter comebacks.

Carson Wentz 7-9 record.
62.8% completion. 3782 yards passing. 16 TDs 14 INTs. 6.2 ypa. 236.4 ypg. 79.3 rating. 49.4 QBR. 1 game winning drive. 1--4th quarter comeback.

Dak Prescott 13-3 record.
67.8% completion. 3667 yards passing. 23 TDs 4 INTs. 8.0 ypa. 229.2 ypg. 104.9 rating. 78.8 QBR.
5 game winning drives. 5--4th quarter comebacks.





So as you can see Dak hasnt had the best situation as a rookie QB and beats most every rookie QB in every stat. So the myth these doubters and haters keep spewing from their mouths about Dak is just that. It's false and a blatant lie. For all the Dak supporters y'all already knew this and are ahead of the others.

Wow common fella tell us how much is Dak paying you?

P.S. You should write a novel named.....My Dak-Crush......lol...write all you want what our eye's are seeing out there is a below average dink and dunk panic machine....

 

[HungryLion]

Wow common fella tell us how much is Dak paying you?

P.S. You should write a novel named.....My Dak-Crush......lol...write all you want what our eye's are seeing out there is a below average dink and dunk panic machine....

Dak will have plenty of money to pay him. when he definitely gets his extension from the cowboys.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Dak will have plenty of money to pay him. when he definitely gets his extension from the cowboys.

We'll after that post the man deserves to be paid!..Irvin that is not Dak....

 

[jnday]

All of these opinions are fine, but it doesn’t change the fact that Dak was the 21st rated QB in the league for most of the year and he ended up 18th according to NFL.com. He is just a touch below average for QBs in this league , but please ignore this and bring up some more comparisons to Brady, Elway and Marino. It just makes you feel good .

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Just a question and maybe a show of hands. Has anyone changed their position on Dak Prescott with all of these threads about him? Anyone?

And it is not accurate to say he is an inaccurate passer. He is an inconsistent passer and misses some QB 101 passes, that does not show up in any stats, just the eye test. And they all miss passes but some of the ones he misses are the same type ones he missed in college. And maybe he will get better, I just haven't seen that yet.

I'm been back and forth with him but it has nothing to do with these threads. I just watch the games. lol

 

[CF74]

By taking this position with the "eye" test, you in fact are exibiting a bias. You understand that yes?

Bias towards stats? He said “Not” the eye test for this manifesto... Just trying to make sure you didn’t overlook that key word...

In any event I see Dak as a conservative passer not because of physical limitations but psychological due to the fact that he said his mother gave him a complex towards not throwing picks..

You just gotta let the ball fly sometimes and he obsessively waits for a perfect window far too often...

We’ve seen him make some really good throws and we’ve seen some really bad throws all of which can be said about any qb..

I rank him somewhere around 12 to 17 as a passer...

 

[GenoT]

Dak’s a middle-of-the pack NFL QB who happened to have had a great rookie year.

Above-average leadership skills, tempered by inconsistent mechanics and pocket-awareness. Requires game-planning to his particular skills and benefits from sharing the backfield with arguably the best RB in the league.

Hopefully, Kellen Moore’s promotion to OC will make yield positive results in his future.

 

[Captain-Crash]

All of these opinions are fine, but it doesn’t change the fact that Dak was the 21st rated QB in the league for most of the year and he ended up 18th according to NFL.com. He is just a touch below average for QBs in this league , but please ignore this and bring up some more comparisons to Brady, Elway and Marino. It just makes you feel good .

yep he's better than Brady, Rodgers and Brees.

 

[Johnny23]

@Irvin88_4life Dan Marino's second season was next level he shattered records that weren't touched until the league made rules to hamper defenses. He makes the Super Bowl in 1984. Dak's second and third seasons pales in comparison to Dan the Man. The reality is that he is a good bus driver that's not going to take games over. Accept it.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Both players decreased because their best asset was taken away from them. RG3 couldn't run because of injury, as you said. The running game was still fine without Zeke for a few games, but they stopped doubling Dez and instead took away Witten and Beasley where Dak had thrown so much his rookie year. Dak couldn't throw to the outside consistently.

My hope is that at the end of last year we saw that change, but to say that people are crazy to have concerns doesn't make sense to me.

Dak's problems were 3 fold.

1. Dak was never forced to be a pocket passer in at any point in his young career. College he didn't need to be. First year in the pros the line was sooo good he had little pressure.
2. 2nd year he lost his workhorse in Zeke
3. Oline crumbled before his eyes and the pressure was coming from everywhere.

Having concerns are normal for any young QB. Its not normal however to discount a kid simply because he has young QB things he needs to work on. Plenty more to be very excited about.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I'm not denying he had a good situation but for example look at Big Bens team and tell me Dak had a better situation.

Is it really a matter of better? Ben has been great most of his career. The times his teams have faltered is those 3 or 4 years when they were rebuilding the Oline.

Oline the most important factor for a QB.

 

[Hadenough]

And it is not accurate to say he is an inaccurate passer. He is an inconsistent passer and misses some QB 101 passes

Dak does a good job hiding his weaknesses to the untrained eye but he doesnt use the whole field and rarely attempts to throw into tight windows past 10 yds.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

Just sitting back reading the comments, not going to comment on this matter but to use the old TO expression, I LOVE ME SOME Cowboys forum! It's the best forum going in the league.

 

[HungryLion]

Dak does a good job hiding his weaknesses to the untrained eye but he doesnt use the whole field and rarely attempts to throw into tight windows past 10 yds.

Lol but you’re the trained eye that sees things others don’t?

 

[pansophy]

Dak's problems were 3 fold.

1. Dak was never forced to be a pocket passer in at any point in his young career. College he didn't need to be. First year in the pros the line was sooo good he had little pressure.
2. 2nd year he lost his workhorse in Zeke
3. Oline crumbled before his eyes and the pressure was coming from everywhere.

Having concerns are normal for any young QB. Its not normal however to discount a kid simply because he has young QB things he needs to work on. Plenty more to be very excited about.

Most people don't consider throwing to wide open WRs "young QB things" to work on, but fundamental aspects of being a legit QB.

We ran the ball fine without Zeke for 6 games. What Dak couldn't do was adjust to the middle of field being taken away. Last year the plan to have him a lot of throw go routes to throw defenses out of that plan didn't work, and we had to go get Cooper. Dak's number look much better with Cooper, but success on 3rd down and long really didn't budge.

I personally thought he was turning the corner late last year in his ability to throw outside 10-20 yards downfield. So still hopeful about him, I just don't get the rush to pay him.

 

[mattjames2010]

We all know what Dak is. No amount of spinning changes it. It's all about acceptance now while some of you are stubbornly staying in the denial phase.

 

[MWH1967]

The main question is....Has lesser QB's won a Super Bowl? Answer, Yes. We all know Dak has some warts but he is going to be our guy. I'll take it.