Zeke Elliott expendable?

[Diehardblues]

We should just adopt a new policy and only use Quarterbacks on rookie contracts. That way we can keep our best players and build a strong roster around the QB.

The NFL has changed. We need to move with the times.

This is an interesting perspective which I’d tend to agree with if we don’t hit the jackpot on a QB.

Making an average talent the franchise QB can make it more difficult to surround with enough talent consistently.

Like all positions I’d only give large second contracts to Elite talents you probably can’t replace in the immediate draft and or could set you back until you did.

I’m not sure if we used a 1st round pick in 2020 it would set us back as much as risking longer term over paying a QB who we might not be able to maintain enough elite supporting cast.

Id be interested in Will Grier this year if he falls to 2nd round. Based on what I’ve seen his passing ability appears greater than Daks. It just a matter if his talent translates to the next level and in right situation.

 

[LatinMind]

Imagine Aikman without Emmitt. Zeke will get a 2nd contract. And well draft someone who hopefully is better than Rod Smith.

no need to imagine, Jerry saw exactly what he had in 2 games. After that Jerry went to emmitt and paid him to end his holdout

 

[mattjames2010]

It’s much more than that. The threat of Elliott proposes bigger issues for defenses with his exceleration and break away speed.

Defenses must respect him or leave themselves vulnerable over the top if they stack the box. Not all RB’s present the same threat and rushing stats don’t fully describe these intangible factors.

Break away speed? Zeke had a long of 40 yards in 2018 and 30 yards in 2017. He isn't breaking crap.

 

[Hawkeye19]

Again, he literally had the same amount of yards, average, etc. on similar carries to Zeke. This "DEFENSES FEAR ZEKE THO!" is just so dumb, if an RB is getting yards - the D will want to stop it. Simple as that.

And "without Zeke" we went 3-3. We were 3-5 last year with Zeke and we had to bring in more help still to get us back on track - so, obviously, he's not the "engine".

Yah— and in 2017 without Zeke our offense set a 3 game franchise low mark for offensive production... coincidence?

The fact that you are even trying to compare Morris and Zeke based on stats is laughable. I guess you really can find a stat to try and prove anything lol...

 

[mattjames2010]

Yah— and in 2017 without Zeke our offense set a 3 game franchise low mark for offensive production... coincidence?

The fact that you are even trying to compare Morris and Zeke based on stats is laughable. I guess you really can find a stat to try and prove anything lol...

And then we had 3 games where our offense was fine. You don't have a stat, all you have is a name - simply saying "Zeke" is not a counter, it's proof.

It is up to you to prove that Zeke is what makes us go - because he certainly wasn't doing this in 2018 and we had to give up a valuable pick to bring someone else in. Either he's the engine and what makes this offense go, or he's simply just another player the needs others around him.

It's simple: Our O-Line is what made us go. That's what defenses feared. Either you provide something for your argument or we are done here. Stop arguing just to argue.

 

[Diehardblues]

Break away speed? Zeke had a long of 40 yards in 2018 and 30 yards in 2017. He isn't breaking crap.

Lol .

NFL leading rusher is crap. Right

 

[Captain-Crash]

who does the defense fear more, dak or zeke?

 

[Hawkeye19]

And then we had 3 games where our offense was fine. You don't have a stat, all you have is a name - simply saying "Zeke" is not a counter, it's proof.

It is up to you to prove that Zeke is what makes us go - because he certainly wasn't doing this in 2018 and we had to give up a valuable pick to bring someone else in. Either he's the engine and what makes this offense go, or he's simply just another player the needs others around him.

It's simple: Our O-Line is what made us go. That's what defenses feared. Either you provide something for your argument or we are done here. Stop arguing just to argue.

Zeke:

40 Games
868 carries
4,048 yards
4.7 ypc
28 TDs

135 receptions
1199 yards
8.9 ypr
6 TDs

Those are elite numbers. In any era. Behind any OL. It is not "up to me" to prove anything to you. You believe anyone can run behind our OL... I sure as hell don't. If your assertion were true-- Rod Smith would have had comparable numbers to Zeke last year. Did he? Not even close. Morris had a 70 yard run that was an anomaly for his career and made his numbers in 2017 look much better than they actually were-- but the fact that you are insisting his stats "prove" anything is laughable.

Our offensive philosophy is clearly run first and control the clock. Zeke is the perfect back for that style. Durable, powerful, great in short yardage, solid receiver, great at pass pro... The proof that he is the what "makes us go" is staring you in the face.

 

[jay94]

If we pay Zeke we should beable to get away with the giants oline get rid of one of our 3 premeire offensive line players. You can't pay everyone. Zeke should be getting 5ypc if he is truly elite behind this online. All rbs are expendable in my mind, every year rookies dominating the game.

 

[kskboys]

If we pay Zeke we should beable to get away with the giants oline get rid of one of our 3 premeire offensive line players. You can't pay everyone. Zeke should be getting 5ypc if he is truly elite behind this online. All rbs are expendable in my mind, every year rookies dominating the game.

Lotsa magic in that there 5 number, uh huh.

 

[Walker]

Zeke will get a 2nd contract. There is no way they are going to let him go.

 

[Cowboys1fan]

Zeke May be expendable but we won’t be near the rushing team. We will need a new offensive line sooner if zeke leaves. He’s the best pure running back in the league. His patiece, vision is top in league

 

[Vanilla2]

Maybe the egirls will over pay him just like the last rb

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Everything in the NFL is Silly bro... take the Seahawks for instance... they spend a 1st on Rashad Penny last year, but they start a 7th rounder instead in Chris Carson.

Like the Boys are so perfect.
Let's dwell on our moves, mate!

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

As to Zeke, we KNOW what we have. Durable, crushing player who is a great receiver midfield.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Yep

If we had a generational talent at QB then Elliott might be more dispensable.

Very true lad, very true!

 

[buybuydandavis]

Not only is he elite and consistent... he is young. He will be turning 24 in July. Keeping him on the roster for the next 4-5 years is a no-brainer IMO.

Yes, you can find solid RBs to produce for you. BUT, when you find a generational talent, you build your offense around him.

Zeke is a generational talent at RB. If Stephen lets him walk and he plays out his prime years somewhere else— it will be the biggest mistake SJ has made in his career

Zeke runs hard and doesn't shy from contact. Bad recipe for longevity at RB. Without a major injury, he'd be doing well to play at this level for another 2-3 years.

 

[mattjames2010]

Zeke:

40 Games
868 carries
4,048 yards
4.7 ypc
28 TDs

135 receptions
1199 yards
8.9 ypr
6 TDs

Those are elite numbers. In any era. Behind any OL. It is not "up to me" to prove anything to you. You believe anyone can run behind our OL... I sure as hell don't. If your assertion were true-- Rod Smith would have had comparable numbers to Zeke last year. Did he? Not even close. Morris had a 70 yard run that was an anomaly for his career and made his numbers in 2017 look much better than they actually were-- but the fact that you are insisting his stats "prove" anything is laughable.

Our offensive philosophy is clearly run first and control the clock. Zeke is the perfect back for that style. Durable, powerful, great in short yardage, solid receiver, great at pass pro... The proof that he is the what "makes us go" is staring you in the face.

First off, his receiving numbers are not "elite". Secondly, he's had the most carries in his rookie and third season and was on pace to have a ton in 2017 as well. He's force fed.

He's also not scoring a ton either. And Murray had 1,800+ yards behind the same line, McFadden had 1,000 yards. Zeke was not dominant last season, his numbers are due to volume. And this crap that "Rod Smith didn't have similar numbers"

1. No one is claiming Rod is Zeke, and no one is claiming an RB doesn't need some talent
2. RBs often look completely different with limited number of carries - Smith had a whopping 44 rushes last season

Stop worshiping a player and ignoring the position he plays at.

 

[Hawkeye19]

First off, his receiving numbers are not "elite". Secondly, he's had the most carries in his rookie and third season and was on pace to have a ton in 2017 as well. He's force fed.

He's also not scoring a ton either. And Murray had 1,800+ yards behind the same line, McFadden had 1,000 yards. Zeke was not dominant last season, his numbers are due to volume. And this crap that "Rod Smith didn't have similar numbers"

1. No one is claiming Rod is Zeke, and no one is claiming an RB doesn't need some talent
2. RBs often look completely different with limited number of carries - Smith had a whopping 44 rushes last season

Stop worshiping a player and ignoring the position he plays at.

Force fed? The guy is a stud— and is as I said originally— the straw that stirs the drink— so it makes sense to give him the rock considering his talent and our offensive philosophy.

The guy is averaging 101 yards per game over his career, has not missed a game due to iniury, and is an every down back. What more do you want? It’s like you’re upset he is a workhorse back lol

Your insistance that Zeke was “not dominant” last year is just wrong. He had 1434 and a 4.7 ypc avg. Just let it go man— give it up— sorry his stats don’t line up with your narrative as nice as you want them to. Since you want “proof” and all— here is a link that “proves” Zeke won the rushing title last year (2 out of his 3 years) and could have easily pushed to win it in 2017 considering the pace he was on

https://www.___GET_REAL_URL___/s/24...nds-NFL-rushing-title-for-2018-127053451/Amp/

Finally, Murray did not get 1800 yards “behind the same OL”. Not even close. Leary was LG, not Williams. TFred was C, not Looney. Tyron was not ailing when Demarco was playing, and Doug Free was RT, not Collins. So no, it was not the same OL.

The reason I bring up Rod Smith is to highlight how ridiculous your assertion is that our OL alone is what makes our offense work. If that were true, Rod’s numbers would be better— but they aren’t— ergo, RB talent makes a big difference when it comes to production in the ground game.

Worship a player? Hardly. But I have been watching football for 3 decades and know a generational talent when I see it. Barring injury, Zeke can be one of the greatest to ever play the game. You don’t let those guys walk away and get a gold jacket somewhere else. You just don’t.

 

[aria]

If you take a player at #4 overall and he lives up to the expectation then he gets a 2nd contract.

It's that simple.

Take a RB at #4 overall is stupid in the first place, it’s that simple.