Is Dak the best Cowboys draft pick in the last 20 years?

[Swagger]

Jason Witten for me - third round draft pick and future hall of fame inductee.

11 x Pro Bowl (when it actually carried value)
2 x First Team All Pro
2 x Second Team All Pro

I don't understand how anyone could rank Dak Prescott above him - plus the jury is still out on whether he is genuinely a franchise quarterback. I.e. there is more to being a franchise QB than durability and having wheels. Some people still do not appreciate the quality of offense around him.

Prescott has provided great value in the fourth round and is a far better back up than Cassel, Weeden or Sanchez.

 

[CowboyRoy]

it's not a lack of talent ... funny things happen in JJ world

many laughed when the coaches said that about Lawrence after his 2nd year

that said, I have little faith in Rod to develop DL talent, remember this man has tolerated sub par DTs for 7 years

I just see Taco as talented 6'6" 270 lbs every down DE now with a chip on his shoulder and he's 24 and done growing, he should hitting his stride

Lawrence made something of himself - I think Taco can do the same, like Dlaw he has scary quickness vs run or pass

What talent does Taco have? It really is a big mystery when people say this.

Lawrence had 8 sacks his 2nd season in a shortened season. HE showed definite talent. He was also great in college.

Taco did little and has showed little. Slow, no moves, gets mauled, no push, bad attitude, legs like a 16 year old girl, lazy, no motor. I see absolutely NOTHING in the guy that shows talent or drive. Nothing. One of the worse DE prospect I have EVER seen. If you want to talk about anyone then talk about Dorance Armstrong. HE shows some promise. Much more then the hapless Taco.

 

[Swagger]

What talent does Taco have? It really is a big mystery when people say this.

Lawrence had 8 sacks his 2nd season in a shortened season. HE showed definite talent. He was also great in college.

Taco did little and has showed little. Slow, no moves, gets mauled, no push, bad attitude, legs like a 16 year old girl, lazy, no motor. I see absolutely NOTHING in the guy that shows talent or drive. Nothing. One of the worse DE prospect I have EVER seen. If you want to talk about anyone then talk about Dorance Armstrong. HE shows some promise. Much more then the hapless Taco.

I couldn't agree MORE regarding Taco. Complete bust.

 

[Diehardblues]

Romo was a UDFA and with his growing fame in the broadcast booth and Jason's failure. Romo wins

With that type of measurement you’d probably rank Merideth ahead of Staubach. Lol

 

[InTheZone]

Bottom third scoring offense, bottom half passing attack, decline in back to back years. Might as well induct into the HoF at this rate.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Witten was a 3rd round pick and will go into the Hall of Fame.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

What are some others?

well if you considering average play, average output as the measuring stick, then there is a long list of those....like barde james who I think is ahead of Das as a fellow 4th round pick, patrick crayon is actually way ahead and his production was higher, Ratliff as a low 7th rounder, he way out produced Das on an individual level, there is quite a few more but didn't feel like going through an making a list, but one guy who is 5 head and shoulders above Das is Witten. 2 times all pro, 2 times first team all pro. and a sure future HOFer. and I don't used the joke of an award called probowl as a measure.....but if you want, he had 11 of those...not as an alternate, but first choice selected.... there is absolutely no questioning that witten kicks Dak's are

 

[GMO415]

He's the biggest steal in the last 20. I would like to see how he'd do with a proven HC like Sean Payton. He could be even better.

 

[CowboyRoy]

He's the biggest steal in the last 20. I would like to see how he'd do with a proven HC like Sean Payton. He could be even better.

Payton and his offense would be amazing with Dak.

 

[CowboyRoy]

He's the biggest steal in the last 20. I would like to see how he'd do with a proven HC like Sean Payton. He could be even better.

The last 8 games of last year once Cooper arrived and Alexander was fired here are Dak's stats:

-2224 yards passing at 278 yards/game
-12 passing TD's and 4 rushing TD's, 16 TD's total
-average QB rating of 102.8

These are the numbers that got him into the pro bowl again. And all these numbers include the Colts game where we got completely shut out. And he still had an below average pass blocking line in front of him and Linehan calling plays. Hardly a perfect team around him by any stretch of the imagination. You double those numbers to a 16 game season and he is at:

-4448 passing yards and 32 TD's

Those are great numbers.

With Moore coming in, Frederick healthy, Williams not a rookie, Gallup not a rookie, Cobb in the slot and another offseason for all the pass catchers with Dak its not hard to imagine the improvement.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Jason Witten for me - third round draft pick and future hall of fame inductee.

11 x Pro Bowl (when it actually carried value)
2 x First Team All Pro
2 x Second Team All Pro

I don't understand how anyone could rank Dak Prescott above him - plus the jury is still out on whether he is genuinely a franchise quarterback. I.e. there is more to being a franchise QB than durability and having wheels. Some people still do not appreciate the quality of offense around him.

Prescott has provided great value in the fourth round and is a far better back up than Cassel, Weeden or Sanchez.

"I don't understand how"

This sums you up

 

[CowboyRoy]

It is constantly brought up by Dak-lovers how great he is to be a 4th round draft pick. Romo was a much greater bargain and he didn’t require a draft pick. In all honesty, it doesn’t matter where a player was drafted. Once they make it to the pros, draft position plays no part on what type of career they could/should have.

This is an exercise in VALUE. Which you cant seem to grasp, 4 pages into the thread.

But that isn't surprising in the least. If you cant dispute the facts, just change the argument right? Its what you trolls like to do.

 

[kskboys]

What talent does Taco have? It really is a big mystery when people say this.

Lawrence had 8 sacks his 2nd season in a shortened season. HE showed definite talent. He was also great in college.

Taco did little and has showed little. Slow, no moves, gets mauled, no push, bad attitude, legs like a 16 year old girl, lazy, no motor. I see absolutely NOTHING in the guy that shows talent or drive. Nothing. One of the worse DE prospect I have EVER seen. If you want to talk about anyone then talk about Dorance Armstrong. HE shows some promise. Much more then the hapless Taco.

It's not a mystery at all. Taco has long arms, a powerful upper body, heavy hands, nice initial burst, lower body agility, good effort and hustle. "He has all the ingredients of a future NFL starter w/ the desired size, and blend of power and quickness to be effective vs both the pass and the run."

No, he has not shown this in the NFL at this point. However, he was a noted slow learner in college, though it didn't help that they were playing the 3-4. Taco is specifically a 4-3 DE.

He may still turn out, hard to say. I wouldn't have taken him in the 1st because it was obvious that he would have a steep learning curve in the NFL. He may not ever pan out, but the talent is definitely there.

 

[Swagger]

"I don't understand how"

This sums you up

Straight back at you.

So you genuinely consider Dak Prescott, granted a fourth round pick, but in reality a quarterback whose greatest strengths are his durability and the use of his legs, to be the best Cowboys' best draft pick in the last 20 years...were you dropped on your head as a baby?

 

[InTheZone]

The last 8 games of last year once Cooper arrived and Alexander was fired here are Dak's stats:

-2224 yards passing at 278 yards/game
-12 passing TD's and 4 rushing TD's, 16 TD's total
-average QB rating of 102.8

These are the numbers that got him into the pro bowl again. And all these numbers include the Colts game where we got completely shut out. And he still had an below average pass blocking line in front of him and Linehan calling plays. Hardly a perfect team around him by any stretch of the imagination. You double those numbers to a 16 game season and he is at:

-4448 passing yards and 32 TD's

Those are great numbers.

With Moore coming in, Frederick healthy, Williams not a rookie, Gallup not a rookie, Cobb in the slot and another offseason for all the pass catchers with Dak its not hard to imagine the improvement.

I'd just like to call out how making a coaching change one week does not immediately translate to results, no matter what happened.

Lets not talk about projections otherwise we're going to finish bottom 10 again in scoring.

 

[CowboyRoy]

It's not a mystery at all. Taco has long arms, a powerful upper body, heavy hands, nice initial burst, lower body agility, good effort and hustle. "He has all the ingredients of a future NFL starter w/ the desired size, and blend of power and quickness to be effective vs both the pass and the run."

No, he has not shown this in the NFL at this point. However, he was a noted slow learner in college, though it didn't help that they were playing the 3-4. Taco is specifically a 4-3 DE.

He may still turn out, hard to say. I wouldn't have taken him in the 1st because it was obvious that he would have a steep learning curve in the NFL. He may not ever pan out, but the talent is definitely there.

Those are called measurables, not talent. And initial burst he definitely does not have. All the guy has is long arms and he is tall. THATS IT.

Talent he doesnt have, speed and quickness he doesnt have, heart he doesnt have, attitude he doesnt have, strength he doesnt have. He actually has nothing at all save the fact that he looks like a DE. Which means NOTHING in football.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Straight back at you.

So you genuinely consider Dak Prescott, granted a fourth round pick, but in reality a quarterback whose greatest strengths are his durability and the use of his legs, to be the best Cowboys' best draft pick in the last 20 years...were you dropped on your head as a baby?

We have already established that you simply dont get it. So what is the point?

You obviously dont have the football knowledge to understand.

You will just have to continue to sit there with that dumb look on your face and wonder how this guy can:

-win rookie of the year
-go to 2 pro bowls
-3 winning seasons
-2 playoffs
-playoff victory
-Leads the NFL in late comebacks

All in just his first 3 years in the NFL.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I'd just like to call out how making a coaching change one week does not immediately translate to results, no matter what happened.

Lets not talk about projections otherwise we're going to finish bottom 10 again in scoring.

Is that what your projections tell you? What the heck, you have gotten everything wrong about Dak thus far, just keep going.

 

[GMO415]

The last 8 games of last year once Cooper arrived and Alexander was fired here are Dak's stats:

-2224 yards passing at 278 yards/game
-12 passing TD's and 4 rushing TD's, 16 TD's total
-average QB rating of 102.8

These are the numbers that got him into the pro bowl again. And all these numbers include the Colts game where we got completely shut out. And he still had an below average pass blocking line in front of him and Linehan calling plays. Hardly a perfect team around him by any stretch of the imagination. You double those numbers to a 16 game season and he is at:

-4448 passing yards and 32 TD's

Those are great numbers.

With Moore coming in, Frederick healthy, Williams not a rookie, Gallup not a rookie, Cobb in the slot and another offseason for all the pass catchers with Dak its not hard to imagine the improvement.

If you're going to pay the man $30 mil a year, you'd better give him weapons. Once we sign a top tier TE we're good.

 

[dallas72]

That would be witten

Followed by zack martin

Maybe Jaylon Smith . We shall see