Charean Williams believes Dallas might franchise Dak 2 years

jrumann59

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Not a huge fan of Franchising players, franchising is fence sitting it hamstrings the cap since its all guaranteed and the team does not get better except through the draft. This team is 1st wave of FA averse franchising a guy like Dak will give you an off season like last year where you are shopping at the scrap heap for bodies and hoping and praying one of them does something. For the uber expensive players either take the risk and sign them to large contract that you can manipulate or let them walk.
 

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A qb that plays in a run 1st offense. A qb who had a bad offensive coordinator (wr routes which were predictable).

If Zeke is our best player. why did he disappear vs the Rams? Dak showed up the 2nd half vs them, where was Zeke? Zeke REFUSED to run on the edges, kept running up the middle to the strength of the Rams d. Best player, no freakin way. Best players adjust their games.

We are run first because he is our QB.

We have to be run heavy because he is not a guy that can shoulder an offense without a lot of help and that is why he isn’t worth 30 million.

I’m starting to think the Cowboys get this.

I like Dak but he is not worth a big contract because he’s not impactful enough.
 

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He walks & then we go for a new qb? So we then suck after that.

timing kind of lines up. OL will be aging - Martin, Frederick & Smith would all be over age of 30 and Zeke will have been run into ground. I see this as 3 year window for Dallas.
 
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Honest question.......name the last QB Cowboys franchised? Yet OP ( not the poster) is not only suggesting it may happen but twice......:lmao2:
 

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"Bargain hunting"? They paid a ton to Alex Smith. And they still will due to his injury. And their lack of preparation doesn't make not paying Cousins a bad decision. Their lack of preparation does.



I'm not suggesting either was the right answer, only that Cousin clearly wasn't either, and the Vikings overpaid him and are now stuck. Nothing more than that.



I think what you're really saying is that unlike the Commanders and Vikings, Dallas needs a better contingency plan. And in that I agree.

You have to have a plan and most aren't realistic about what that plan would likely look like. Most on here saying just tag him, tag him multiple times or simply say just find another QB. Most act like finding a QB or finding one that will be better is just that easy. There aren't top quality FA QBs on the open market very often, teams don't trade a top quality QB very often, the most likely way is in the draft. Drafting usually requires a high draft pick and/or substantial draft capital to move up, but there's competition from other teams looking to do the same thing. Bust rates for a QB is pretty high and while Dak may not be the best QB, but hoping to get one that will be better make it harder. Then there is the time investment, rookie QBs don't lead a team to Super Bowl and very rare that a 2nd year QB will have that impact as well, realistically even if all the other things go right he might be ready by year 3. So we're looking at the 2022 season and who knows what the rest of the team will look like. If it's a miss, now we're at 2022 or later starting the process all over again. What if he ends up with similar production to what we had or someone like Marriotta or Winston? And even if you have a plan, it still doesn't mean it's going to work out.
 

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You have to have a plan and most aren't realistic about what that plan would likely look like. Most on here saying just tag him, tag him multiple times or simply say just find another QB. Most act like finding a QB or finding one that will be better is just that easy. There aren't top quality FA QBs on the open market very often, teams don't trade a top quality QB very often, the most likely way is in the draft. Drafting usually requires a high draft pick and/or substantial draft capital to move up, but there's competition from other teams looking to do the same thing. Bust rates for a QB is pretty high and while Dak may not be the best QB, but hoping to get one that will be better make it harder. Then there is the time investment, rookie QBs don't lead a team to Super Bowl and very rare that a 2nd year QB will have that impact as well, realistically even if all the other things go right he might be ready by year 3. So we're looking at the 2022 season and who knows what the rest of the team will look like. If it's a miss, now we're at 2022 or later starting the process all over again. What if he ends up with similar production to what we had or someone like Marriotta or Winston? And even if you have a plan, it still doesn't mean it's going to work out.

No, there is always risk involved, no doubt. Especially when you consider that this team would have preferred to draft both Paxton Lynch and Connor Cook ahead of Prescott if they could have. That's a scary indicator of how good they are at evaluating quarterbacks.
 

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Appears Cowboys don't think another NFL team would pay Dak $30 million year (supposedly Dak asking price). Charean Williams thinks if Dak doesn't lower his demands the situation could go similar fashion to Washington with Kirk Cousins (franchised twice).

If we do the math that strategy would work out for Cowboys. Franchise tag will be $28 million next year & $30 million year after. Dak currently makes $2 million. So if you avg that out, Dallas would get Dak for next 3 years at about $20 million year. Then he walks and Dallas goes for new QB.




Several years ago one of Charean Williams colleagues was talking to Dick Vermeil in a hotel lobby.

Charean walked up and her colleague said "Charean, do you know coach Dick Vermeil?"

Charean responded: "I don't know Dick"
 

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Yes! Exactly!
 

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there are so many scenarios between now and when a deal is made, if in fact a deal is ever made for dak. there will come a point when the front office will know his final price and then determine whether or not they're willing to pay it. but what the op wrote makes sense.
 

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This post has nothing to do with anything personal, purely business.

It looks like the Cardinals will draft Kyler Murray, but if they don't, and he falls to the Raiders who press the button...would you take Derek Carr?

Obviously it would depend upon what we would have to give up but in reality we would be in a great position to trade away Prescott.

I ask because Carr would cost what $22,500,000 this season and similar thereafter?

If Prescott is holding out for $30,000,000 we could bring in Carr for 20-25% less and potentially better draft picks.
 

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Honest question.......name the last QB Cowboys franchised? Yet OP ( not the poster) is not only suggesting it may happen but twice......:lmao2:


Since 2010 the franchise tag has only been used 5 times on a QB.

Cousins accounts for 2 of those (we know how well that went)
P Manning it was used the year he missed the entire season for the Colts with the neck injury
Vick a couple months after the tag they worked out a 6yr deal with the Eagles making him the, iirc, 3rd highest paid QB in the NFL
Brees a couple months later they worked a 5yr deal with the highest guarantee in NFL history at the time, he didn't always take less money for team
 

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That post could go up on the all time worst posts thread. Thurman Thomas is a HOF back and a generational talent. What did he do in the SBs? To try and judge a player on 1 game is STUPID.

I agree. your post could go up on the all time worst posts threads

I am talking about 2019, not when Thomas played in the NFL and teams played great defense. Don't compare Zeke, who refused to use his speed on the outside of that Rams d, to Thomas who ACTUALLY was a vital part getting his Bills teams to 3 straight SB's. Don't insult my intelligence .
 
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the cowboys will extend dak before the season starts whether its a mistake or not jones has already said they will but the op is right the cowboys have about a three year window to win in before a lot of the team is over thirty since 2014 they have had three chances and they have spit the bit on all of them
 

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I’m starting to think the Cowboys get this.

I like Dak but he is not worth a big contract because he’s not impactful enough.

No you are describing Zeke in the playoffs, not Dak
 
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If Prescott is holding out for $30,000,000 we could bring in Carr for 20-25% less and potentially better draft picks.

I mean, Carr would be an absolute downgrade from Dak. And not because Dak is amazing, but because Carr is measurably worse at just about everything.

You think Dak dink-dunks too much? Carr has lower yards per attempt and yards per completion!
You think Dak is inaccurate? Carr completes a lower % of his passes, in spite of throwing short MORE than Dak!
You mad about some pick Dak threw? Carr throws more total picks, and more picks as a % of passes thrown!
You mad about Dak's red zone passing? Carr even has a slightly lower TD%!
You mad about Dak's lack of passing volume? Carr throws for a whopping... 14 more yards per game? So there's your big win I guess lmao

You mad about Dak not winning more? Carr has a losing regular season record and 0 postseason starts!

Also Carr is more fragile & can't run the ball at all.
 

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Year     QBrec Cmp% TD% Int% Y/A AY/A  Y/C   Y/G Rate NY/A ANY/A
Care   32-46-0 62.8 4.4  1.9 6.7  6.7 10.7 240.2 88.8 6.08  6.08

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Year     QBrec Cmp% TD% Int% Y/A AY/A  Y/C   Y/G Rate NY/A ANY/A
Care   32-16-0 66.1 4.5  1.7 7.4  7.5 11.2 226.6 96.0 6.42  6.56
 

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Will Grier at 58. Whos down?
I know how you feel about Dak and you know how i feel but if Dallas doesn't feel like Dak is our franchise QB going forward then we need to move on and get our franchise QB. If he is our guy then sign him. Reason is we will waste the talent on the roster playing this dumb game
 

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Appears Cowboys don't think another NFL team would pay Dak $30 million year (supposedly Dak asking price). Charean Williams thinks if Dak doesn't lower his demands the situation could go similar fashion to Washington with Kirk Cousins (franchised twice).

If we do the math that strategy would work out for Cowboys. Franchise tag will be $28 million next year & $30 million year after. Dak currently makes $2 million. So if you avg that out, Dallas would get Dak for next 3 years at about $20 million year. Then he walks and Dallas goes for new QB.



Sounds like a great plan. Trevor Lawrence, welcome to the Dallas Cowboys.
 
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