Moore might be the missing link

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Belichick disguised the Patriots defense coverages until the play clock unplugged Goff from the Matrix

Nothing new here.... just run, pass, catch and block at high level consistently. That is the offense I want..

in other words...execute!!!

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Now we are assuming though. The whole discussion arose out of a poster ridiculing another for alleged made-up information, when in fact he was stating a fact.

https://247sports.com/nfl/dallas-co...ett-status-message-to-Kellen-Moore-128676192/

Jerry did say Moore could go straight to him if needed, whether you wanna believe it or not is up to you.

this is exactly why we are a dysfunctional team......jerry doesn't have proper lines of authority....he did that with his favorite players too and it was always problematic....Garrett will be gone...next coach will come in...stay 5 years, by year 2 Jerry starts to meddle again and wash, rinse, repeat!!!!

 

[CouchCoach]

Yep. The Football Idiot is always playing to the media. Agree with much. I’d only add I think Jerry making the change was him simply responding to public pressure on the offense and Linehan was scapegoat for Dak.

My question is what do we really expect that Moore will bring? He’s not bringing in a new offense. Is it his play calling that’s going to be the difference? Or schemes? Do we think he’s going to magically elevate Daks passing ability? I haven’t really heard anyone speak about specifics.

The question is will we really recognize a difference? And when?

I am optimistic about Moore for two reasons, or rather, two people. With the absence of proof, I look to other people for evidence. What are other, better informed, opinions on the matter saying.

One of the best football minds in college is Chris Peterson, he does more with less than any HC I've seen in a long time. His confidence in Moore was to the point he let him call his own plays during games, Landy wouldn't let Staubach do that. I can add Gruden, an offensive coach, getting a little gaga over Moore's football intelligence as well. But Peterson was the first to predict Moore's coaching career.

But the one that got my attention was our best mind on defense who spent most of the season on the sideline with Moore, Sean Lee. Not one to hold back or mince words and he backed the move to Moore 100%. Lee's strength going back to Penn St. was his mind for the game and he's all in on Moore as the OC. That tells me something because Lee's greatness when he was healthy was what? Recognizing the offense and he recognizes an offensive mind.

Will Moore be great this season? Don't know Will Moore make Dak better this season? Don't know But in the absence of knowing, I'll bend to the optimistic side because I've seen what Linehan could do and while he really wasn't bad, he wasn't good enough.

 

[ondaedg]

Belichick disguised the Patriots defense coverages until the play clock unplugged Goff from the Matrix

Nothing new here.... just run, pass, catch and block at high level consistently. That is the offense I want..

So what you're saying is Bellichick used strategy? Brilliant!

 

[nate dizzle]

I remember this one nursing home company I worked for, right before they were going to sell to another company, promoted a handful of people they thought highly of into higher positions so that they would have a regional or supervisor's title under their belt. It helped them get better jobs if they were let go by the new company or if the new company kept them they had a nice bump in pay/responsibility.

This feels like that.

 

[Diehardblues]

The question is will we really recognize a difference? And when?

I am optimistic about Moore for two reasons, or rather, two people. With the absence of proof, I look to other people for evidence. What are other, better informed, opinions on the matter saying.

One of the best football minds in college is Chris Peterson, he does more with less than any HC I've seen in a long time. His confidence in Moore was to the point he let him call his own plays during games, Landy wouldn't let Staubach do that. I can add Gruden, an offensive coach, getting a little gaga over Moore's football intelligence as well. But Peterson was the first to predict Moore's coaching career.

But the one that got my attention was our best mind on defense who spent most of the season on the sideline with Moore, Sean Lee. Not one to hold back or mince words and he backed the move to Moore 100%. Lee's strength going back to Penn St. was his mind for the game and he's all in on Moore as the OC. That tells me something because Lee's greatness when he was healthy was what? Recognizing the offense and he recognizes an offensive mind.

Will Moore be great this season? Don't know Will Moore make Dak better this season? Don't know But in the absence of knowing, I'll bend to the optimistic side because I've seen what Linehan could do and while he really wasn't bad, he wasn't good enough.

But Coach those are two opinions who are naturally going to be supportive of Moore. A teammate and his former College coach .

I have a feeling not many would want our QB to be their 1st pupil . We’ll see. But all of this positive spin without any evidence appears pretty meaningless to me.

 

[CyberB0b]

Jesus what do y’all want? Moore to run the O or Garrett? Wouldn’t you want Moore to implement something new even if Garrett is holding him back lol. Is JG gonna sabotage the team if Moore goes to JJ, no.

Suddenly you’re worried about Garrett’s feelings and I don’t understand why

It just shows how disfunctuonal this thing is. There's a chain of command.

 

[Rockport]

Most OC have their own offense. Since Moore hadn’t been an OC , I’m assuming he doesn’t.

Surely it wouldn’t be too specific to state he has one? Are you saying Moore has one or is developing one?

Since he’s the Offensive Coordinator” I’m saying he has one.

 

[Rockport]

But Coach those are two opinions who are naturally going to be supportive of Moore. A teammate and his former College coach .

I have a feeling not many would want our QB to be their 1st pupil . We’ll see. But all of this positive spin without any evidence appears pretty meaningless to me.

All the negative spin without any evidence appears pretty meaningless as well.

 

[Rockport]

I think you over simplifying what linehan did, although I think it was time for him to go. He couldn't adjust his offense to Dak and I think they were being protective of Dak a little too with leaning on run game, which was a good thing in 2016, but 2018 we should have figured out what we have with him....

with that said, everyone kept clamoring over how Dak did when he got Cooper, but same can be said for Linehan and Garrett offense, that without the right talent, it couldn't work. it got much better after we got cooper. amazing isn't it!

now, in regards to Moore, he may bring in some new ideas. but its not just about scheming. most of the route trees, etc. are similar in the NFL. over the past 50+ years the teams play on same size field from every down and distance and it comes down to two things, play call (which is combination of routes, personnel) and execution. Moore is green as a play caller. can he play the chess match against veteran and savvy defensive coordinators!?

I read and article last year regarding McVay, in a game against minnesotta, he called a play from a formation that didn't work in the game initially in the first half, but he did it to see how the defense would respond to his formation, later in the game he called another play from same formation knowing what the defense was going to do.....little things like this take time to learn. there is a lot more, than just what this article said which 99.99% of the fans don't understand.

can Moore understand what the defense is doing, what the defensive coordinator is doing, or is he going to get tricked. its his first year....yes, some new scheme, etc. is going to be nice. but play calling takes time and experience. he may start hot, but given a few weeks and some tape, DC will figure out how to counter him....how he responds will be key and I do expect him to falter......

Can’t remember his name but they also brought in an experienced offensive coach to help out with some of the things you mentioned which are all valid points.

 

[Diehardblues]

All the negative spin without any evidence appears pretty meaningless as well.

Of course but I didn’t start a thread advocating a negative spin. I’m just calling out the meaningless positive spin. Big difference.

 

[CouchCoach]

All the negative spin without any evidence appears pretty meaningless as well.

Agree but the mere existence of the unknown invites fill in. And a lot of that is based on the lean of the poster. I haven't seen any posters not up on the season, up on Moore and I don't see many of them laying it atr his feet.

Very few OC's have their own playbook, they're derivatives. Zampese's was derived from Coryell's and Turner's was derived from Zampese's. Look at all of the derivatives form Bill Walsh.

I do believe Moore has some of his own plays because Lee mentioned seeing them. Garrett's playbook isn't a bad one, his strategies are fine, it is the tactics that Linehan didn't have that hurt the offense. And there may be that issue of a lack of confidence in the QB for certain plays that Linehan had.

The fact is we just don't know. No one here has seen enough of him to really formulate a sound opinion of him as an OC.

 

[817Gill]

It just shows how disfunctuonal this thing is. There's a chain of command.

Seems like semantics and technicalities to me. If the offense is called the right way then the goal is accomplished, regardless of who was circumvented in the chain of command.

 

[CouchCoach]

Of course but I didn’t start a thread advocating a negative spin. I’m just calling out the positive spin. Big difference.

How in the hell are posters going to post about anything related to the unknown without a little spin?

What the hell, let's just put every thread about the unknown up there with the first post "I don't know" and we can all just Like it or add our "Me neither" to it.

About this unknown, the positive I hear is from people's opinions I trust. The negatives are from posters opinions I do not trust about this subject because they do not have any additional information about this subject. Nothing more than a feeling and that affects spin.

Posters pretty much down on this season are down about everything about it. That serves as the intent or inflection in their posts. And I am not here to argue with them or call them out, I will state what I think and we can debate that but how they feel about this is not in the debate.

I am sick of seeing these posts about posters' opinions and most of the time they're just calling the poster out, not addressing their reasons for feeling the way they do. I can make a strong case for either side for this season.

 

[CouchCoach]

I'll say it again. It is not as much about play calling as play execution. Did Linehan call those fumbles by Prescott? How about the misses on an open WR headed for pay dirt. Did he not call a play that got the WR open and the QB in the position to make that throw?

Do not react with blame, think about where to place it first.

 

[Ranching]

Because it’s the job of the offensive coordinator to be the offensive coordinator.

It's the job of a REAL head coach to approve game plans, dictate the tempo of the game, and protect the other side of the ball throughout the game. If you don't know what that means I'll be glad to explain. I think most of our Zoners understand.

 

[CouchCoach]

Sometimes you just have to make a change to shake things up a little. Linehan was catching some heat from the media affording the players a nice excuse and they'll take that in a hummingbird's heartbeat.

Lurie thought Reid was still a great coach but knew a change had to be made, same in TB with Dungy. Look at the change from Campo to Parcells in the first year and then the change from Parcells to Phillips in the first year.

I do not look at this as Linehan, you're not good at your job because he was the same OC in the last half of the season as he was in the first. This was just about change, new blood, new thinking and reducing the excuses.

And I do not think this was done in a vacuum by Booger. The reason he has that relationship with his players is to take their temperature as he did on Phillips and Linehan as well. Remember what Booger's response was when asked why he went down on the field? "I need to look into their eyes" was his response. Add to this the candidate for the new OC position was already on the team and known to the vets. This is unknown to us but not most of them.

 

[CouchCoach]

It's the job of a REAL head coach to approve game plans, dictate the tempo of the game, and protect the other side of the ball throughout the game. If you don't know what that means I'll be glad to explain. I think most of our Zoners understand.

Cannot say enough about that protect the other side of the ball, which I think was foremost on Linehan and Marinelli's minds.

That's where so many coordinators fail, they do not consider what happens to the other side when they screw up. Screw ups will happen but unnecessary risks are something else. Payton has been his own worst enemy with the D's they've had in the past. Same thing with McCarthy.

None of us like the BDBD, particularly coaches that have to run it out of necessity. Parcells admitted to running that because he didn't have the personnel to run the 3/4 properly and never did have them.

 

[cern]

Not exactly said as it was put, and do you really think he was serious about it. Another example of something being twisted into something it is not. But hey, like high school kids, fans will run with it and make it what fits their agenda.

I think he was totally serious. it was a memo to garrett who sabotaged callahan being the gm. jerry made it clear it better not happen again.

 

[Rockport]

Agree but the mere existence of the unknown invites fill in. And a lot of that is based on the lean of the poster. I haven't seen any posters not up on the season, up on Moore and I don't see many of them laying it atr his feet.

Very few OC's have their own playbook, they're derivatives. Zampese's was derived from Coryell's and Turner's was derived from Zampese's. Look at all of the derivatives form Bill Walsh.

I do believe Moore has some of his own plays because Lee mentioned seeing them. Garrett's playbook isn't a bad one, his strategies are fine, it is the tactics that Linehan didn't have that hurt the offense. And there may be that issue of a lack of confidence in the QB for certain plays that Linehan had.

The fact is we just don't know. No one here has seen enough of him to really formulate a sound opinion of him as an OC.

Some people like to be negative about everything and some people like to stay positive. It’s a choice but whichever side you chose defines you.