Jerry Jones on the Rich Eisen Show: "We're Sold On Dak"

[Corso]

There were multiple QBs with far less attempts that had more TD passes than him. As I pointed out. Comparing to Eli Manning and Derek Carr is not exactly great company.

Does that change what I said?
He ranked in the middle in volume of throws and ranked in the middle in TD throws... league-wide.
Thank you for the information. It was... illuminating.

 

[Stash]

When Peyton Manning entered the league in 1999

1999 - only two QBs had more than 30 TD passes
2000 - 3 QBs
2001 - 3 QBs
2002 - 0
2003 - 1

Only one of those seasons Manning threw for over 30 TD passes

Let's compare this to 2018 - it had 9 QBs that threw over 30 TD passes in a season and one that threw 50 TD

Pretending the league hasn't changed passes wise is absolutely ridiculous.

And pretending that quarterbacks couldn't pass in that era is "absolutely ridiculous" as well, especially when Manning was averaging over 28 a year and Warner was putting up 36. The fact is that most of the quarterbacks at that time were awful. A fact I and everyone else can clearly see you avoided like the plague.

I also showed where Prescott outperformed both of his contemporaries in Goff and Wentz. Go and play in that sandbox if you can't deal with the Brady comparisons. But you'll likely avoid it because then you won't have your 'era' crutch to hang on to.

 

[JoeKing]

I think Dak is good enough to be the franchise QB. My concern is the way he plays, he is at higher risk of breaking a bone and then who do we have to QB? We need to get more serious with who our backup QB is. What we saw from Rush and White last preseason was not good enough.

 

[Stash]

LOL "MUH RAW DATA"

Again, you look like a fool using this to compare Dak to Brady. You're not stupid, you're playing stupid now because someone challenged you on this. There is a very good reason you're not looking for adjusted stats - this is available, there are sites for this. Why not go to them?

Why don't you show me?

You're the guy who's bringing it up? I gave my comparison, you give yours.

For the record, you haven't "challenged" anything. All you've done is expose your own agenda and desperately try to move goalposts.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

....that's why I said we'll overpay, because the QB market has caused this.

I expect this to change soon - when the highest paid QBs in the league are missing playoffs or not bringing trophies, at some point, owners have to realize these deals hamper the team more than help.

100%......but for now, it is what it is.

 

[G2]

By no means, should we EVER consider his rushing TDs either. That's out of bounds.

 

[Stash]

I think Dak is good enough to be the franchise QB. My concern is the way he plays, he is at higher risk of breaking a bone and then who do we have to QB? We need to get more serious with who our backup QB is. What we saw from Rush and White last preseason was not good enough.

Not close.

This team is done if Dak gets hurt and either of those two was forced to play.

Rush in particular looked to have totally regressed last year, to the point of openly questioning if he actually deserves to be on an NFL roster. White might yet have upside, but I see nothing in Rush at this point until proven otherwise.

 

[mattjames2010]

Does that change what I said?
He ranked in the middle in volume of throws and ranked in the middle in TD throws... league-wide.
Thank you for the information. It was... illuminating.

No, you're reading it wrong LOL

Him having 500+ passes and 22 TD passes is still LOW for the attempts. Players having less than 500 passes and close to or more than 30+ TDs is high for their amount of attempts.

When you adjust, players like Winston, Wentz, Dalton, and even Darnold would have had more TD passes than Dak. This is why I said, he compares to Stafford, Eli Manning, and Carr - for the amount of attempts, their TD passes were quite low.

 

[Corso]

No, you're reading it wrong LOL

Him having 500+ passes and 22 TD passes is still LOW for the attempts. Players having less than 500 passes and close to or more than 30+ TDs is high for their amount of attempts.

When you adjust, players like Winston, Wentz, Dalton, and even Darnold would have had more TD passes than Dak. This is why I said, he compares to Stafford, Eli Manning, and Carr - for the amount of attempts, their TD passes were quite low.

So... he's in the middle in attempts and in the middle in TD's by volume. Got it.

 

[JoeKing]

Not close.

This team is done if Dak gets hurt and either of those two was forced to play.

Rush in particular looked to have totally regressed last year, to the point of openly questioning if he actually deserves to be on an NFL roster. White might yet have upside, but I see nothing in Rush at this point until proven otherwise.

So let's hope the next flip Dak takes into the end zone, his tibia doesn't make solid contact with a helmet. It seems to me that teams like the Seahawks are already out to break bones.

 

[mattjames2010]

And pretending that quarterbacks couldn't pass in that era is "absolutely ridiculous" as well, especially when Manning was averaging over 28 a year and Warner was putting up 36. The fact is that most of the quarterbacks at that time were awful. A fact I and everyone else can clearly see you avoided like the plague.

I also showed where Prescott outperformed both of his contemporaries in Goff and Wentz. Go and play in that sandbox if you can't deal with the Brady comparisons. But you'll likely avoid it because then you won't have your 'era' crutch to hang on to.

I didn't say QBs couldn't "pass" in that era - I said it was tougher and you weren't getting a large amount of QBs with high completion percentages, a lot of 4,000 yard passers, or even 30+ TD passes a season.

I also stated, despite defenses being tougher, Brady still ranked high during that era - even leading in passing TDs in his second year starting.

In 2018, there were 2 5,000 yard passers, 10 4,000 yard passers, the average completion rating was around 66%, 3 players had 9.0+ YPA and 6 with 8.0+ YPA, and 8 QBs with a QBR above 100

In 2002, there were 4 4,000 yard passers, the average completion rating was around 62%, no QB had a YPA above at or above 8.0, and only 1 QB had a rating above 100.

Did QBs just get better or did the NFL rules when it comes to penalties and recent CBA agreements hurt defenses more than the offense? I can pull the quote up for you about Tom Brady talking about this if you'd like.

As for Dak "outperforming" - In Wentz second year, he was runner up for MVP and helped put his team in position for a Super Bowl victory. Goff also took a major step and got the Rams to the playoffs for the first time in what, a decade? In most statistical categories, Goff and Wentz outperformed Dak in 2017 and 2018. You inflate Dak's stats by including his rookie year - that was over 2 years ago. A lot changed.

 

[mattjames2010]

So... he's in the middle in attempts and in the middle in TD's by volume. Got it.

No, he's lower than the middle - he's about exactly where he is ranked in nearly every other category - he's around or outside the the top 20. Not sure why I need to repeat this, but he's right there with Eli Manning and Derek Carr. If you want an even more apt comparison, he's a more durable Mariota.

 

[Stash]

I didn't say QBs couldn't "pass" in that era - I said it was tougher and you weren't getting a large amount of QBs with high completion percentages, a lot of 4,000 yard passers, or even 30+ TD passes a season.

I also stated, despite defenses being tougher, Brady still ranked high during that era - even leading in passing TDs in his second year starting.

In 2018, there were 2 5,000 yard passers, 10 4,000 yard passers, the average completion rating was around 66%, 3 players had 9.0+ YPA and 6 with 8.0+ YPA, and 8 QBs with a QBR above 100

In 2002, there were 4 4,000 yard passers, the average completion rating was around 62%, no QB had a YPA above at or above 8.0, and only 1 QB had a rating above 100.

Did QBs just get better or did the NFL rules when it comes to penalties and recent CBA agreements hurt defenses more than the offense? I can pull the quote up for you about Tom Brady talking about this if you'd like.

As for Dak "outperforming" - In Wentz second year, he was runner up for MVP and helped put his team in position for a Super Bowl victory. Goff also took a major step and got the Rams to the playoffs for the first time in what, a decade? In most statistical categories, Goff and Wentz outperformed Dak in 2017 and 2018. You inflate Dak's stats by including his rookie year - that was over 2 years ago. A lot changed.

Now you're just getting sad.


I'm legit embarrassed for you, and the pathetic lengths you will attempt to go to here.

 

[gjkoeppen]

As long as they've got him for $2.1 million, I'm perfectly fine with being sold on him. If they want to guarantee him $100,000,000 like Russell Wilson received, then maybe they need to wait until they have to in order to make sure they aren't buying fool's gold.

Since none of the contracts are negotiated by fans we'll just have to see what the contract looks like. Fans who don't do the negotiating have the Cowboys offering Prescott the type of money other more accomplished QB's have gotten and are certain that it is the type of money that the Cowboys will offer Prescott. They don't think that during the real negotiating that the things that have been accomplished as well as those that HAVEN'T been accomplished will come out. Wilson has gone to TWO Super Bowls winning 1, Prescott none. The Cowboys are not going to pay Prescott the same as more accomplished QB's. He will get a huge raise from his rookie contract but he is not going to be at the same level as the elite QB's in the league.
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[mattjames2010]

Now you're just getting sad.


I'm legit embarrassed for you, and the pathetic lengths you will attempt to go to here.

Speaking in only meme because I'm hitting you with "facts", as you call them, is hilarious.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...ow-stats-great-quarterbacks-years-achieve-nfl

Here is an article for you to read.

 

[Corso]

No, he's lower than the middle - he's about exactly where he is ranked in nearly every other category - he's around or outside the the top 20. Not sure why I need to repeat this, but he's right there with Eli Manning and Derek Carr. If you want an even more apt comparison, he's a more durable Mariota.

But you said he was ranked around the middle... now he's outside the 20 mark?

 

[Corso]

Lol... @mattjames2010 - I'm just being difficult bro.
I'll stop being a goober... for now.

 

[Stash]

Speaking in only meme because I'm hitting you with "facts", as you call them, is hilarious.

This from the guy that posted that goofy picture earlier, right? Is self awareness yet something else you’re not good at?

I don’t need to read about eras. I followed that up by TKO’ing you with the straight up comparison where he outperforms both of his contemporaries drafted 1 and 2.

But now you want to run back and try the era excuse again.

Pathetic.

 

[mattjames2010]

But you said he was ranked around the middle... now he's outside the 20 mark?

I just told you about adjusting - I feel like some of you have a mental block. The "where ranked" was simply a raw ranking, again, when adjusting by attempts to TDs - he drops and QBs below him rise. Take for example, Winston who had 19 TD passes on only 378 attempts - if he had 500+ attempts - he would have to go a whole heck of a lot of throws without a TD pass to not catch Prescott. Same goes for Darnold and Dalton. Even Tannehill had 17 TD passes on less than 300 attempts. Dak, with 500+, didn't even have more than 22 TD passes. It's not exactly like Zeke was eating up the TDs like Smith was for Aikman. One of the biggest problems with Dak, as a passer, is that he's not great throwing in the red zone.

 

[Stash]

But you said he was ranked around the middle... now he's outside the 20 mark?

He somehow produced more touchdowns than the great Aaron Rodgers did last year. You remember him right? Leagues best passer, highest paid quarterback, etc.

Yeah, somehow Dak had more TD’s scored. Go figure!