How are the Cowboys not a top 10 offense?

[Stash]

No, actually, NE is the polar opposite of that. They are all about ball control. They use the "Emmit method" w/ prolific short passes. Same philosophy, just different way of going about it. However, they score TD's after driving the field. That's what we do need to improve, no doubt. They are about scoring TD's, but there's just so much more to it than that.

The O and D of a team are tied together. Can't really come to an accurate conclusion w/o considering both. Take the Falcons, for instance. In their super bowl year, they actually had a great D. However, since they were all about scoring, they ignored TOP, and in the end that rose up and bit them.

Three most important things to an O, and they are tied together, no order:

Scoring
TOP
No TO's

W/o all 3 of these, almost all teams fail in the playoffs.

Undoubtedly a connection, but I wanted the focus to be on the offense here given this thread.

 

[Diehardblues]

Possibly. However, Dak has been taught to not turn the ball over, so there's a good chance it's simply in his makeup at this point. Most super bowl winning QB's take very few chances downfield. The best method that I've observed is to throw short/mid prolifically, and at some point the other team is going to have to bring up some help, at which point the mid/deep stuff opens up. Problem is, we haven't been consistent enough short. Hopefully, w/ a different OC, that changes.

Don't miss the fact that every QB we've had has had major problems running Linehan's O. Maybe Dak is the problem, maybe he's not.

Not every QB. Only the less prolific passers.

Obviously our front office doesn’t believe he’s the problem. Hopefully if they were as unsure as we are they wouldn’t be All In?

 

[kskboys]

I think we agree more than we don't.

I was thinking the same thing.

 

[kskboys]

Undoubtedly a connection, but I wanted the focus to be on the offense here given this thread.

This O needs to be a little better at sustaining drives and a ton better at scoring TD's in the red zone.

 

[817Gill]

Most will blame Scott (and the oline), some will blame Dak, others will say a bit of both. I'll say Moore can't fix our limitations, and I'll also say those Linehan "haters" will pile up on Moore (and the oline) if and when Dak struggles.

I understand you saying Dak could be average or inconsistent, but where do you pull he’s gonna struggle out of?

When Dak has the team intact around him he’s always been an above average performer. Unless you expect this team to be riddled with injury, I don’t see how you can think he will struggle. Dak only struggles when he has to carry the load, this team is loaded offensively, all he has to do is be the bus-driver most of y’all think he is and that’s already miles better than ‘suck’.

I swear some of y’all want him to be bad

 

[Diehardblues]

Stats > Opinions

Unless if specific stats are used to narrate an opinion.

Facts and stats can stand alone on their own merit. No doubt. It’s only when we attempt to use or spin them to support our narrative can they become skewed. It’s how Fake News is created.

 

[Stash]

This O needs to be a little better at sustaining drives and a ton better at scoring TD's in the red zone.

I'm hopeful that Frederick's return and an improved offensive line overall will be a big help with that.

 

[Diehardblues]

I understand you saying Dak could be average or inconsistent, but where do you pull he’s gonna struggle out of?

When Dak has the team intact around him he’s always been an above average performer. Unless you expect this team to be riddled with injury, I don’t see how you can think he will struggle. Dak only struggles when he has to carry the load, this team is loaded offensively, all he has to do is be the bus-driver most of y’all think he is and that’s already miles better than ‘suck’.

I swear some of y’all want him to be bad

Daks ability is somewhere in the middle. His 15th ranking in passing is a good example of that.

The kid has a ton of assets including leadership pedigree, clutch performances and game savvy but he lacks in many of his passing skills or is inconsistent at best.

And I’d agree he is a Bus Driving type. And his ability is optimized with surrounding Elite talent. But there are enough concerns to discuss and critique without bashing the kid.

 

[817Gill]

Great post! I'm not sure why people have confidence in Moore and think he will save this offense. Hope I'm wrong and Moore turns out to be great but if Im a betting man Im all in that this is going to be a mess. Maybe if you had a Romo type QB that could makeup for the lack of coaching but we know Dak isnt able to.

You think the offense will be a mess? Maybe a little rocky at times but a mess? Lol c’mon man there’s way too much talent and prior success for it to be a mess

 

[817Gill]

Daks ability is somewhere in the middle. His 15th ranking in passing is a good example of that.

The kid has a ton of assets including leadership pedigree, clutch performances and game savvy but he lacks in many of his passing skills or is inconsistent at best.

And I’d agree he is a Bus Driving type. And his ability is optimized with surrounding Elite talent. But there are enough concerns to discuss and critique without bashing the kid.

Exactly, there are definitely concerns, but to say he’s going to suck is just pure ignorance. It’s something a rival fan would say not a Cowboy fan.

 

[cowboyblue22]

for the cowboys to be a real contender for the superbowl the COACHING AND QUARTERBACK play have to be much better than it has been since 2006 tony Romo wasn't good enough and now we don't have any idea if dak is either

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Stats > Opinions

Watching games>>stats>>>opinions

 

[Sydla]

Watching games>>stats>>>opinions

LOL.

 

[Stash]

Watching games>>stats>>>opinions

You go on thinking so...

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Now remove 2017 rushing leader Kareem Hunt and 1400 yard WR Tyreek Hill off the Chiefs. Two best on any team? Them and Kelce were it. Watkins is not great, Williams at RB was a surprise but probably won't match anything near Hunt's potential.

They're still a strong offense, but Mahomes aint throwing 50 this year, and they wont have a top running game. They don't have that Djax type guy to move the safeties 10 yard back to open huge lanes for the RBs. Sammy Watkins is now their star WR, he aint getting 1400 yards.

They nearly made the Super Bowl without Hunt. You have a argument on Hill. They may suck without Hill. I just said I'm going to take a wait and see approach before I doubt Mahomes and Andy Reid. They don't need Hunt. They knew it which is why they cut him and haven't cut Hill yet.

 

[Stash]

LOL.

I know right? Apparently "nobody knows the game like him!"

Some people.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

You go on thinking so...

Yeah because if I didn't watch the games I'd think Matthew Stafford was actually a solid quarterback in this league. In reality......he's inconsistent and he throws at ankles. But stats say he's one of the best to ever play the game. Good ol' stats strike again.

 

[817Gill]

Jordan Howard was trash last year. They still don’t have one until proven otherwise.

Your a very confused person if you think Jordan howard is trash as a running back

Jordan Howard has declined every year in the league and has turned into an average 2 down back with some goalline capabilities.

2016 YPC: 5.2 YPG: 87.5
2017 YPC: 4.1 YPG: 70.1
2018 YPC: 3.7. YPG: 58.4

He’ll be a free agent this offseason, book it.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I know right? Apparently "nobody knows the game like him!"

Some people.

Actually I never said that. What I said is watching the game tells a better story than stats. Stats say Dez shouldn't have been cut because he only had one bad season. Watching the games you would know he had started to fall off 2 seasons prior. But stats tell the whole story.........if I let you tell it.

 

[Stash]

Yeah because if I didn't watch the games I'd think Matthew Stafford was actually a solid quarterback in this league. In reality......he's inconsistent and he throws at ankles. But stats say he's one of the best to ever play the game. Good ol' stats strike again.

Do they? Exactly what "stats" say that? Show me the stats that "say he's one of the best to ever play the game"?

You're getting desperate here.