Post-draft team analysis: CB

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You obviously don't know what you are looking for. He has more talent than brown and chido.

Then, he should be able to prove it. I'm all for a merit system. Last preseason, he did not even merit the nickel job. Throw open the competition and give him that chance this year to win it. Anything else would depend on how Awusie plays. If Lewis in the slot looks better than Awusie does as a starting corner, then make the switch ... although I believe Lewis could still end up playing the slot when we go to nickel.

You obviously have your mind made up about the players, so bully for you.
 

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Then, he should be able to prove it. I'm all for a merit system. Last preseason, he did not even merit the nickel job. Throw open the competition and give him that chance this year to win it. Anything else would depend on how Awusie plays. If Lewis in the slot looks better than Awusie does as a starting corner, then make the switch ... although I believe Lewis could still end up playing the slot when we go to nickel.

You obviously have your mind made up about the players, so bully for you.
By merit do you mean by coaches liking you or actual play? If it's the later then he earned the 2nd CB spot across from Jones.
 

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For whatever reason Lewis is struggling to break through. It makes me laugh that some folks claim he's a stud from only a handful of plays without any knowledge of how the guy practices. As if some doofus on a message board knows CB play better than Kris Richard. Lewis may be decent, but my guess is either he's simply not as good as Brown and Awuzie (mentally and/or physically) or he doesn't have the right attitude and/or effort. There is no logical reason a coach would want to favor Brown over Lewis.

One guy that you folks shouldn't sleep on is Westry. He's got legitimate tools to work with and is not your typical 6-4 guy from a fluidity and movement angle. I'm a little surprised he wasn't drafted.
 

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For whatever reason Lewis is struggling to break through. It makes me laugh that some folks claim he's a stud from only a handful of plays without any knowledge of how the guy practices. As if some doofus on a message board knows CB play better than Kris Richard. Lewis may be decent, but my guess is either he's simply not as good as Brown and Awuzie (mentally and/or physically) or he doesn't have the right attitude and/or effort. There is no logical reason a coach would want to favor Brown over Lewis.

One guy that you folks shouldn't sleep on is Westry. He's got legitimate tools to work with and is not your typical 6-4 guy from a fluidity and movement angle. I'm a little surprised he wasn't drafted.
Man you talkin bout practice. And westry's hips are trash. In those hand full of snaps lewis played better than chido and brown. 2017 Lewis was our best corner by the end of the year. 2018 he's on the bench lol.
 

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Man you talkin bout practice. And westry's hips are trash. In those hand full of snaps lewis played better than chido and brown. 2017 Lewis was our best corner by the end of the year. 2018 he's on the bench lol.
Maybe they can't trust that he'll run the defensive assignment correctly? I really don't know, because he hasn't looked terrible, but we haven't seen that much of him - at least since Richard came on board.
 

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Maybe they can't trust that he'll run the defensive assignment correctly? I really don't know, because he hasn't looked terrible, but we haven't seen that much of him - at least since Richard came on board.
He's getting shafted because of his height not because of his ability. Stupid coaching
 

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He's getting shafted because of his height not because of his ability. Stupid coaching
So they're playing Brown over him only because he's one inch taller? It fits your narrative but isn't logical. Besides, you just want to find a reason to complain about the coaching - whether it's true or not.
 

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So they're playing Brown over him only because he's one inch taller? It fits your narrative but isn't logical. Besides, you just want to find a reason to complain about the coaching - whether it's true or not.
Idk call up the coaches and ask them. Theres no reason he shouldn't be one of the starting 3 based on play and talent.
 

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Starters: Byron Jones, Chidobe Awusie
Contenders: Anthony Brown, Jourdan Lewis, Michael Jackson, C.J. Goodwin. Treston DeCoud, Donovan Olumba, Chris Westry

I believe Kris Richard is getting a bad rap for not playing Jourdan Lewis more last year (with the decision essentially being blamed on Richard's preference for longer corners). If you look back to last preseason, Lewis was not playing very well. Perhaps he was just having trouble adjusting to the technique that Richard teaches, but it was easy to see then why Lewis didn't deserve a bigger role. However, Lewis stepped up during the season and showed that he deserves a chance for more opportunities. He plays sticky coverage and is aggressive both in attacking the ball carrier and the receiver.. Frankly, I'm not sure he isn't our second-best corner.

Although Anthony Brown ended up getting the nickel corner job over Lewis, he really wasn't that good in the preseason, either. Brown reminds me a lot of past corners we've had like Alan Ball and Jacques Reeves who were good in reserve roles because they could stick with receivers but get beat by quarterbacks with good ball placement. Chidobe Awusie seems to fall into that category as well. They are there, they have good coverage, but they don't bat the ball away enough. Brown and Awusie both do it some (and Brown as a rookie was a better starter than either Ball or Reeves), but they need to make their tight coverage pay off more often.

The player who took to Richard's technique the best and benefited the most from it was Byron Jones. For most of the season, Jones was in his receiver's hip pocket and used his length to break up passes. He was about as close to a shut-down corner as we've had in a long time. The only knock against him is he doesn't make interceptions. He also slipped some later in the year, but I think it was due to playing through injury.

Richard's preference for players with length can be seen in Donovan Olumba (6-2) being kept on the practice squad last year, Michael Jackson (6-1) being drafted and Chris Westry (6-4) being a priority UDFA. Treston Decoud is also 6-2 while C.J. Goodwin is 6-3. This is a good group of his type of players, and if a couple of them step up, they could make Lewis and/or Brown expendable, depending on which one of them takes the nickel role.

ROSTER PREDICTION: Since I kept five safeties, I'm also keeping five cornerbacks to give us 10 total defensive backs. Unlike last year, though, I think the fifth spot will be fully deserved by whoever wins it. I like our top four (Jones, Awusie, Lewis, Brown) and don't think they should be messed with this year outside of vying for playing time. That leaves one spot, which I think will go to Jackson in a tight race because the technique and style of play Richard uses keeps players like him from having to chase quick-cutting receivers all over the field. However, I'm not entirely out on the two "veterans" (Decoud and Goodwin). Olumba and Westry go on the practice squad. Again, it won't surprise me if one of the last four gets kept and we trade Lewis or Brown if someone just shows too much to be cut.

Good analysis as always gimme lad
 

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I think, given the situations with contracts, and the depth/numbers at CB this year, this is a position I'd be looking to go long at, with 6.

Time flies in the NFL. Brown is likely gone next year, Byron is in limbo. We have two seasons of Awuzie and Lewis. I'd be fine paying Byron and Awuzie if they end up being shutdown with a better defense around them, cough pass rush cough. That just means i can spend draft picks on DL. But, who knows how that works out. I could also see Byron getting tagged if Awuzie progresses, so they can see if he ends up being a guy they want to pay while Byron hits FA.

Regardless, of the top 4 CBs, one is gone next year, one is uncertain, two more are uncertain in 2 years.

Just no to trading our CBs. We got completely owned last year, trading a guy who's a starter for the Chiefs, started in the playoffs and helped shut down Andrew Luck, picked Brady for what would have been sent them to the Super Bowl if Dee Ford wasnt an idiot, for a fat guy who tore his ACL in his first practice and won't sniff the team. Just keep them this year.
He's not starting. He was an injury replacement last season.
 

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By merit do you mean by coaches liking you or actual play? If it's the later then he earned the 2nd CB spot across from Jones.

He did not earn it in the preseason. If you think he did, I'm not sure what you were watching. He played well when called upon during the season. That should earn him a ticket to compete with Brown for the nickel job. If he wins that job and plays better in the slot then Awusie is playing on the outside, then he should be given a shot at Awusie's job.

This was not simply about the coaches liking one player over the other. If Lewis had played great in the preseason, he would have forced the coaches' hand. He did not. He wasn't given any advantages by the coaches, but a good player has to overcome those things.

I'm not for anyone just being handed a starting job, but you are going to have players earmarked to be starters until someone takes the job from him. Lewis already doesn't have the ideal size that Richard craves so he's going to have to stand out with his play. Last year's accomplishments only get him in the conversation.
 

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He did not earn it in the preseason. If you think he did, I'm not sure what you were watching. He played well when called upon during the season. That should earn him a ticket to compete with Brown for the nickel job. If he wins that job and plays better in the slot then Awusie is playing on the outside, then he should be given a shot at Awusie's job.

This was not simply about the coaches liking one player over the other. If Lewis had played great in the preseason, he would have forced the coaches' hand. He did not. He wasn't given any advantages by the coaches, but a good player has to overcome those things.

I'm not for anyone just being handed a starting job, but you are going to have players earmarked to be starters until someone takes the job from him. Lewis already doesn't have the ideal size that Richard craves so he's going to have to stand out with his play. Last year's accomplishments only get him in the conversation.
Yeh because super bowls are won in preseason. During the season in 2017 and 2018 he outplayed both of them and it wasnt close.
 

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Call me crazy but I think Chidobe is significantly better than Jourdan Lewis.
 

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Yeh because super bowls are won in preseason. During the season in 2017 and 2018 he outplayed both of them and it wasnt close.

Preseason is when jobs are won. Antwaun Woods became our starting 1-tech because of his play in camp and the preseason. He was essentially a camp body before then.

Once players win a starting job, then either they've got to play poorly to lose it or lose it because of injury. Usually, it's hard for a reserve to play well enough in a limited number of snaps to seize a starting job during the season. The starter has to lose it. That's just the reality of it, and not just in Dallas.
 

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Preseason is when jobs are won. Antwaun Woods became our starting 1-tech because of his play in camp and the preseason. He was essentially a camp body before then.

Once players win a starting job, then either they've got to play poorly to lose it or lose it because of injury. Usually, it's hard for a reserve to play well enough in a limited number of snaps to seize a starting job during the season. The starter has to lose it. That's just the reality of it, and not just in Dallas.
Coaches obviously did a poor job of self evaluating. He didn't play that badly that he lost his job. There were grumblings about him losing his job as soon as Richard was hired about his height. The kid is a baller and when he leaves I will be here to tell you I told you so. This is the staff that started byron at safety for 3 years as well. just sayin
 

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Good job as always Gimme! I see y'all going at it about these CBs haha.

1) BJ
2) Chido/JD
4) Brown
5) Olumba
6) Decoud
7) Jackson
8) Goodwin
9) Westry

BJ has earned his spot.
JD/Chido are too close to call for me.
*For the record, Chido is the best slot and JD is an outside CB.*
Brown has became a solid slot guy.
Olumba, Jackson n DeCoud is the group I'll focus on they all have the size their Coach likes but they can play too. Olumba just looks a like a pro CB when you watch him. DeCoud has played S too and he can ball. Jackson is a draft pick.

53: BJ, Chido, AB, JD n Jackson.
PS: DeCoud
Interested in trading Brown if Olumba is too good to let go then Chido can go to slot on passing downs. Also, they have 2 young CBs for depth if BJ leaves.
 

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Coaches obviously did a poor job of self evaluating. He didn't play that badly that he lost his job. There were grumblings about him losing his job as soon as Richard was hired about his height. The kid is a baller and when he leaves I will be here to tell you I told you so. This is the staff that started byron at safety for 3 years as well. just sayin

Coaches aren't always right, and I've made clear that I don't think they are about Lewis. They appear to be totally right about moving Jones to corner, which is the reason Lewis lost his starting job.

I think you are putting too much emphasis on his height being the only reason he was the fourth corner. He might have lost to Jones by default, but he played his way out of consideration for the nickel job in camp, and that's with Brown not playing any better. He redeemed himself during the season, but that was in 187 snaps compared to nearly 900 for Awusie. Even Brown played close to 700, so that's a lot more time to see both the good and the bad of a player than the opportunity Lewis had to impress the coaches.

I feel that he should have made an impression and be given a fair shot at Brown's job ... for now. Expecting more than that is just not realistic.
 

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Coaches aren't always right, and I've made clear that I don't think they are about Lewis. They appear to be totally right about moving Jones to corner, which is the reason Lewis lost his starting job.

I think you are putting too much emphasis on his height being the only reason he was the fourth corner. He might have lost to Jones by default, but he played his way out of consideration for the nickel job in camp, and that's with Brown not playing any better. He redeemed himself during the season, but that was in 187 snaps compared to nearly 900 for Awusie. Even Brown played close to 700, so that's a lot more time to see both the good and the bad of a player than the opportunity Lewis had to impress the coaches.

I feel that he should have made an impression and be given a fair shot at Brown's job ... for now. Expecting more than that is just not realistic.
https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/20...-awuzie-starting-at-cb-in-first-week-of-otas/

Yeh because preseason was the big reason for it. Lol. Richard made that call the day he was hired. You can talk about whatever excuses you want to give this staff. But it aint true.
 
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