Moore Betta Offense - Yards After Catch

[Kevinicus]

shows accuracy but it also shows play calling was not great.

Shows a lack of anticipation.

 

[ItzKelz]

Shows a lack of anticipation.

Lack of faith in receivers. Its funny how he had 0 so called problems anticipating with Cooper. The questions is why? My opinion is that he knew he could trust that Coop would not only create separation but also be were he was supposed to be.

 

[Kevinicus]

Lack of faith in receivers. Its funny how he had 0 so called problems anticipating with Cooper. The questions is why? My opinion is that he knew he could trust that Coop would not only create separation but also be were he was supposed to be.

Did he have zero problems?

 

[Dre11]

Cooper can get open in any offense even with the lack of creative play calling. But I truly do not disagree with the premise of the point you are making.

I think the best thing for Moore is resources to help him.

 

[Dre11]

Lack of faith in receivers. Its funny how he had 0 so called problems anticipating with Cooper. The questions is why? My opinion is that he knew he could trust that Coop would not only create separation but also be were he was supposed to be.

This is true, he said as much.

 

[ItzKelz]

Did he have zero problems?

See second half of the season last year. Dak best QB in the NFC during that time frame.

 

[ItzKelz]

I think the best thing for Moore is resources to help him.

Hearing what he had to say about how he planned on using the skilled players on the offense he seems to at least believe he has the resources in place to be successful. Hopefully that is true.

 

[Alexander]

Ed Werder had a nice interview with Moore on his podcast and he says all the right things.

There is always that one thing though. How assertive Moore can be putting his stamp on the offense with Garrett hanging over his shoulder.

On the podcast, they had a comment where a scrub TE Codey McElroy hopped offsides and it was Garrett, not Moore, who jumped all over him.

Honestly, if he wants to be successful and perhaps one day become a head coach as lots of people talk about, he is going to have to grow an ego and be more demanding.

 

[AsthmaField]

Ed Werder had a nice interview with Moore on his podcast and he says all the right things.

There is always that one thing though. How assertive Moore can be putting his stamp on the offense with Garrett hanging over his shoulder.

On the podcast, they had a comment where a scrub TE Codey McElroy hopped offsides and it was Garrett, not Moore, who jumped all over him.

Honestly, if he wants to be successful and perhaps one day become a head coach as lots of people talk about, he is going to have to grow an ego and be more demanding.

There’s nothing wrong with the head coach raising hell at a young guy jumping offsides. It certainly doesn’t mean that Moore won’t be able to be creative on offense.

Everyone in the whole organization is wanting a more creative, less predictable offense. The players, the coaches and the front office all want to see change on that side of the ball. There is no way Garrett is going to stifle what everyone wants to see happen. Stephen and Jerry both want a new offense. Moore is going to ensure they get it and Garrett isn’t going to stop it. It would make no sense.

IMO, Garrett will want to make sure they’re a physical offense and that they don’t abandon the run game... other than that, I think Moore is going to be expected to be creative.

Just the way I see it.

 

[Alexander]

There’s nothing wrong with the head coach raising hell at a young guy jumping offsides. It certainly doesn’t mean that Moore won’t be able to be creative on offense.

Everyone in the whole organization is wanting a more creative, less predictable offense. The players, the coaches and the front office all want to see change on that side of the ball. There is no way Garrett is going to stifle what everyone wants to see happen. Stephen and Jerry both want a new offense. Moore is going to ensure they get it and Garrett isn’t going to stop it. It would make no sense.

IMO, Garrett will want to make sure they’re a physical offense and that they don’t abandon the run game... other than that, I think Moore is going to be expected to be creative.

Just the way I see it.

I am sure Moore will try to be creative, everyone talks about it, even players like Pollard who just got there. My question becomes if it is not an instant hit, Garrett whips out the 1993 playbook.

 

[Roadtrip635]

Or that the receivers weren't doing their jobs. Hence the trade for Coop, what do you know the play calling magically got better especially the passing game

The first part of the season we were constantly rotating WRs in and out of the lineup, not a lot of consistency in players. We used a high number of stop, curls and comeback routes with smaller quick guys like Bease, Thompson, Austin etc. Those type of routes really nullifies their quick, fast advantages, when they would be better suited to running more crossing, drags, cuts, slants etc where they can use that speed and quickness to force defenders to keep up with them. The stop, comeback, hook, curl routes put them at more of a disadvantage, since they don't have the size or strength to shield defenders with their bodies and require tighter window throws. Those routes work great with guys like Dez/Witten that are big and strong enough to fight off defenders.

It's not hard to think that you have a better chance of getting YAC from a target already in motion than from one starting from a standstill, slowed down or going in the opposite direction.

 

[Kevinicus]

See second half of the season last year. Dak best QB in the NFC during that time frame.

Oh dear...you've been duped.

 

[Dre11]

The first part of the season we were constantly rotating WRs in and out of the lineup, not a lot of consistency in players. We used a high number of stop, curls and comeback routes with smaller quick guys like Bease, Thompson, Austin etc. Those type of routes really nullifies their quick, fast advantages, when they would be better suited to running more crossing, drags, cuts, slants etc where they can use that speed and quickness to force defenders to keep up with them. The stop, comeback, hook, curl routes put them at more of a disadvantage, since they don't have the size or strength to shield defenders with their bodies and require tighter window throws. Those routes work great with guys like Dez/Witten that are big and strong enough to fight off defenders.



It's not hard to think that you have a better chance of getting YAC from a target already in motion than from one starting from a standstill, slowed down or going in the opposite direction.

Except crosses, drags, slants require a great deal of accuracy and not Dak s strengths. Also, Beasley made a killing with those stops ,curls ,comebacks with being shifty. You have your concept of comebacks/curls/wrong. At no time on any route are you at a standstill. If you are , you're not running your route correctly. The key to yards after catch are 3 things. Accuracy, separation, and anticipation. Those things are on the qb and we. People continue to try and make it harder than it is.

 

[Roadtrip635]

Except crosses, drags, slants require a great deal of accuracy and not Dak s strengths. Also, Beasley made a killing with those stops ,curls ,comebacks with being shifty. You have your concept of comebacks/curls/wrong. At no time on any route are you at a standstill. If you are , you're not running your route correctly. The key to yards after catch are 3 things. Accuracy, separation, and anticipation. Those things are on the qb and we. People continue to try and make it harder than it is.

Comeback and stop routes are possession throws, YAC is dependent on what the WR/TE can fight for on his own after the catch. Those routes require WRs to slow down, they're not designed to be gamebreakers, they're designed to move chains. Motion routes like slants, drags and crosses have a higher probability of YAC because they aren't designed to slow the receiver down. If you need 10yds, there's an inherit higher probability on a 7yd slant or crossing route to get that additional 3 yds than a 7yd stick route. If you need 10 yds and running a stop type route then you better be running that route 10 yds. Witten catching a 7yd seam route is going to get more YAC than him catching a 7yd y option, most of the time. I'd rather have my receivers get a flying start than simply a rolling or standstill start. You are having trouble understanding basic physics.

 

[pansophy]

If the WRs are not running the appropriate routes to be able to get yards after the catch......I'm just saying. How can Dak be missing passes on those routes if we are not running those routes? Yea any route can have yards after the catch as Dak and Amari proved that last season.....the idea is to do it more often with routes that lend itself towards yards after the catch. Bill Walsh created a whole offense on this premise....it was pretty epic you should have seen it.

Maybe I'm just old now, but I recall Alvin Harper changing the fate of our franchise with some YAC on same route our WRs run over and over. The fact that Dez and Dak could never make that route work is why Dez isn't here anymore.

Aikman clearly likes Dak, but he does say over and over that he isn't that accurate with the ball. Hutchinson was extremely accurate and couldn't play the position, so obviously it's not everything, but it's a big factor in YAC. You want YAC then Dak has to put the ball in the right spot.

If you want to say that we need to run more routes that Dak can throw accurately on then fine, but don't make the lack of YAC into scheme problem.

 

[pansophy]

Slants and curls all day long.

 

[cheyennes]

you need fast wr's, cb will playing soft, any short route slant hook comeback.
if we havnt speed wr's, any cb will play press cov. or bump and run or man to man.

 

[Dre11]

Comeback and stop routes are possession throws, YAC is dependent on what the WR/TE can fight for on his own after the catch. Those routes require WRs to slow down, they're not designed to be gamebreakers, they're designed to move chains. Motion routes like slants, drags and crosses have a higher probability of YAC because they aren't designed to slow the receiver down. If you need 10yds, there's an inherit higher probability on a 7yd slant or crossing route to get that additional 3 yds than a 7yd stick route. If you need 10 yds and running a stop type route then you better be running that route 10 yds. Witten catching a 7yd seam route is going to get more YAC than him catching a 7yd y option, most of the time. I'd rather have my receivers get a flying start than simply a rolling or standstill start. You are having trouble understanding basic physics.

Are you not listening, these aren't Dak' s strengths, just like the back shoulder throws weren't, you are having trouble understand you're qb strengths. You're also having problems understanding that if you're having a qb trying to do something he's not good at, you're not creating anymore rac opportunities than you are any other route because he's not good at it. Furthermore using you're logic running posts, post corners, verts are routes that would give more rac opportunities. Running horizontally forces longer drives and higher risk for a mistakes. Again if You need 10 yards and there's a 7 yard stick route called it's most likely the 3 or 4th option or checkdown on the play same as a comeback under the yardage needed or the receiver didn't push his route deep enough . It's basic football to know that if you need 10 and you have a comeback, you run that route 14-15 yards and back to 10-12 unless you're a checkdown route on the play. Same as a stick, the primary wr with a stick needing 10, he's suppose to run that stop route beyond the sticks again unless that route is the 3rd option. Because you see the ball go there doesn't mean it was designed to go there or is the primary.

 

[Dre11]

Maybe I'm just old now, but I recall Alvin Harper changing the fate of our franchise with some YAC on same route our WRs run over and over. The fact that Dez and Dak could never make that route work is why Dez isn't here anymore.

Aikman clearly likes Dak, but he does say over and over that he isn't that accurate with the ball. Hutchinson was extremely accurate and couldn't play the position, so obviously it's not everything, but it's a big factor in YAC. You want YAC then Dak has to put the ball in the right spot.

If you want to say that we need to run more routes that Dak can throw accurately on then fine, but don't make the lack of YAC into scheme problem.

Exactly

 

[pansophy]

Comeback and stop routes are possession throws, YAC is dependent on what the WR/TE can fight for on his own after the catch. Those routes require WRs to slow down, they're not designed to be gamebreakers, they're designed to move chains. Motion routes like slants, drags and crosses have a higher probability of YAC because they aren't designed to slow the receiver down. If you need 10yds, there's an inherit higher probability on a 7yd slant or crossing route to get that additional 3 yds than a 7yd stick route. If you need 10 yds and running a stop type route then you better be running that route 10 yds. Witten catching a 7yd seam route is going to get more YAC than him catching a 7yd y option, most of the time. I'd rather have my receivers get a flying start than simply a rolling or standstill start. You are having trouble understanding basic physics.

You mean like this route?